a) it is magenta
2) I never trust any device that relies on a service for which there is no charge. That just seems destined to become useless (or substantially less useful) when this company goes out of business.
I don't believe surveys nor statistics....they're all BS made up to get people to do or think something they wouldnt normally. Nobody actually knows what everyone else does, all they can do is ass-u-me. If you asked 5000 people the same question you'd get 5000 different responses. #torrents
I guess I don't fit in this survey. I haven't bought a song in four years. The same with movies, game, software. They probably just said this to make the music industry feel better. #torrents
@fender7083: I haven't bought any music in what? 10 years? And yes, I also download movies and games...but I buy them when they worth the price.
Demos and trailers are not enough to evaluate them. #torrents
How could anyone see this simple statistic and draw the conclusion that piracy spurs sales? It's just as likely that music's biggest consumers are more likely to pirate music.
If I were a record company, I would not see these numbers and consider support of piracy. If there's any group whose increased piracy habits hurt record companies' profits the most, it's these big music consumers.
Now, my personal opinion on the matter is that traditional record companies will die out and be replaced a model that has promotion companies as the driving monetary force behind the music industry while supporting a model that includes free music distribution. So I'm not apologist by any means. #torrents
@Benguin: Software falls in a different category because software doesn't fit into one category. Photoshop gets pirated tons. A lot of it is by teenagers and college students who couldn't afford it anyway. Operating systems get pirated, either because folks don't want to pay, or because they have paid, got screwed by copy protection, and don't want to pay AGAIN. Games get pirated for different reasons than word processing software. It would be almost impossible to categorize and analyze the reasons why.
Which is why any survey or study that seeks to describe "software" as a whole can only be-by default-wrong. #torrents
@OCEntertainment: I understand the differences between software and music, but what I really had in mind was that article from a few days ago (either here or on Kotaku) about the iPhone dev who reported the adoption rates of pirated to paid copies of their game as 0%.
@TrollSlayer: Yeah, that's why I'm curious about it. I know I've bought a few movies that I really liked because I wanted to keep a hard copy in my personal collection (either after watching it "legitimately" or not), but that's only on certain rare cases. Most of the time I see a movie once and don't bother again with it. #torrents
Anyone have a link to the actual study results? I'm intrigued, 'cos I kind of think the conclusion being read into it isn't exactly what people think it is.
As far as I can tell, they surveyed 1000 people from 16 to 50 with internet access and then asked if they downloaded music illegally. 1 in 10 said "yes," and, apparently, those 10% spend £77 per year on music, compared to, presumably, £44 per year for the others. Which all begs the question of how many of those other 900 people actually acquired *any* music in the past year.
The other oddity is that if you run the averages, it means that out of the 1000 people represented, they averaged £47.3 year on music. That seems rather strange, given that I've read elsewhere that the average person in the UK spends £67 per year on music. You could therefore argue that the average person in the UK with internet access spends £20 per year less on music than those without.
It would seem to me that the results would be much more relevant if they surveyed people who purported to be music fans. Just sayin' that reading this article and concluding that pirates are the bread and butter of the music industry is kind of horse hockey. #torrents
@AmphetamineCrown: I think there's really few statistics that can be canonically relied on. However, even if the accuracy of the claim that "pirates buy more music" is shaky, the fact that pirates buy music at all is significant enough to poke at least a few holes in some distribution industry theories. Particularly the each download equals a lost sale theory.
But good luck convincing lawmakers and courts that people are as simple, and societies of people so straightforward as their laws would like them to be. #torrents
I generally purchase about 100 CDs a year, about 20 songs via iTunes/Amazon, and torrent 2-3 songs per year, songs I can find nowhere else - songs I would purchase if I could find to purchase.
If that is piracy, so be it. Send in the RIAA. #torrents
@AvohkahTamer Has A Lazorcat!: Yeah, I'm looking at these stats of less than 100GBP a year for the average person and thinking I have a huge problem. #torrents
How much more music, if any, would these music fanatics buy if they couldn't steal? This question should be answered, cause you can rest assured it's the only one the gray-hairs at the records companies care about. #torrents
It's also worth mentioning that even though people who download music illegally buy the most music, the bigger picture - the one that musicians who make a living from music care about most - is that the percentage of music that is legally bought has simultaneously plunged like a cliff diver with a bad parachute.
@frigg: Which in turn has, to an extent, cut down on some of the bubblegum bullshit that labels used to be able to get away with and forced more bands to go touring which makes the bands themselves more money. Also, depending on who they are touring with, can be better advertising and get their names out there to people that like their genre already. #torrents
@frigg: I read a breakdown a couple of years ago about where the money you spend on an album goes. Only 4% goes directly to the band. The rest goes to the record companies paying inflated studio prices, manufacturing, and licensing fees. #torrents
@Maori_Yelir: You said it. Bands don't make their (real) money from 99 cent itunes song sales, they make money from touring.
The labels raped and pillaged recording sales long ago. Remember kids, music piracy doesn't hurt the artist, especially if you decide to go to their show based on the music you pirated, it only hurts the label, and unless your mom works at a label you shouldn't shed any tears.
Combine this with the fact that it is becoming more and more affordable for bands to produce and distribute their music themselves, and well... Maybe it doesn't make sense for labels to continue existing in their current form much longer. #torrents
It really makes sense, because torrenting is one of the only really good ways to dabble in an entire album before deciding if you really want it. I've downloaded torrented albums before to see if I like it enough to buy. If it's not good enough to buy, it's not good enough to consume space on my hard drive. #torrents
@mlong001: I don't know the answer to your question, but my personal ambiguity stems from a particular feeling I get about movies.
If I see previews for a movie that looks visually compelling but based on a funky premise or something like that, I'll snag a torrent and check it out. Likewise if it isn't very aesthetic, but looks interesting plot-wise. Usually, I don't make it all the way through the film before I decide whether or not I'll go see it in the theater. If I don't, I won't. But if I do, I'll usually shell out for it more than once. It's as simple as that.
Previews can completely misconstrue the idea behind a film, making it look spectacular when it's lame, or totally interesting when it's really just a bunch of filler. I understand that that's the idea behind marketing (to make your product look more appealing than it actually is, within reason), and that's precisely why I won't trust previews or critics' reviews to help me decide on whether or not to go see the movie. I'd much rather give my money to a filmmaker I like and support than to one whose films I don't like, but who managed to craft a clever preview.
Why should music be any different? Why should I go out and buy an entire album based on two or three radio releases and 30-second-snippets? If I don't like the music, I'm going to wish I hadn't fractionally improved that artist's position, or reinforced that music label's strategy.
To me, that same principle applies in a much broader sense to many areas of what some may call "idealistic" capitalism; it's akin to saying that executive pay (or anyone else's, for that matter) should be directly tied to performance, no questions asked. #torrents
I can see how this would work, most would agree that torrents are more about convenience, than the money. If we really like an album, we'll buy it and proceed to archive it on our hard drives. #torrents
Interesting. I'd never heard this before now, but here's a trend in my personal life to back this up. A testimonial, if you will.
Five years ago: Gordonium is college, gainfully employed, and cash-buying as much music (if not more) as he illegally downloads via i2hub.
A year ago: Gordonium is in graduate school, earning a decent monthly stipend, also cash-buying as much music as he is torrenting.
Now: Gordonium is out of graduate school, unemployed, looking for a job, not buying any music at all (apologies, Porcupine Tree... soon!), AND not downloading ANYTHING.
Totally didn't catch that until just now. Fascinating. #torrents
11/20/09
a) it is magenta
2) I never trust any device that relies on a service for which there is no charge. That just seems destined to become useless (or substantially less useful) when this company goes out of business.
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Demos and trailers are not enough to evaluate them. #torrents
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If I were a record company, I would not see these numbers and consider support of piracy. If there's any group whose increased piracy habits hurt record companies' profits the most, it's these big music consumers.
Now, my personal opinion on the matter is that traditional record companies will die out and be replaced a model that has promotion companies as the driving monetary force behind the music industry while supporting a model that includes free music distribution. So I'm not apologist by any means. #torrents
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Which is why any survey or study that seeks to describe "software" as a whole can only be-by default-wrong. #torrents
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@TrollSlayer: Yeah, that's why I'm curious about it. I know I've bought a few movies that I really liked because I wanted to keep a hard copy in my personal collection (either after watching it "legitimately" or not), but that's only on certain rare cases. Most of the time I see a movie once and don't bother again with it. #torrents
11/01/09
As far as I can tell, they surveyed 1000 people from 16 to 50 with internet access and then asked if they downloaded music illegally. 1 in 10 said "yes," and, apparently, those 10% spend £77 per year on music, compared to, presumably, £44 per year for the others. Which all begs the question of how many of those other 900 people actually acquired *any* music in the past year.
The other oddity is that if you run the averages, it means that out of the 1000 people represented, they averaged £47.3 year on music. That seems rather strange, given that I've read elsewhere that the average person in the UK spends £67 per year on music. You could therefore argue that the average person in the UK with internet access spends £20 per year less on music than those without.
It would seem to me that the results would be much more relevant if they surveyed people who purported to be music fans. Just sayin' that reading this article and concluding that pirates are the bread and butter of the music industry is kind of horse hockey. #torrents
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But good luck convincing lawmakers and courts that people are as simple, and societies of people so straightforward as their laws would like them to be. #torrents
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If that is piracy, so be it. Send in the RIAA. #torrents
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The labels raped and pillaged recording sales long ago. Remember kids, music piracy doesn't hurt the artist, especially if you decide to go to their show based on the music you pirated, it only hurts the label, and unless your mom works at a label you shouldn't shed any tears.
Combine this with the fact that it is becoming more and more affordable for bands to produce and distribute their music themselves, and well... Maybe it doesn't make sense for labels to continue existing in their current form much longer. #torrents
11/03/09
It's a myth that music piracy hurts the labels and not the artists. #torrents
11/03/09
That's like saying it turns out actors only get 4% of the budget of a movie - the rest goes to cameramen, producers, directors, gaffers, etc.
It costs money to make an album. If an album can't recoup its costs cause even though people love it, they don't pay for it, it can't get made.
Plus, if you're a band, 4% lets you earn a living from your music rather than work in Starbucks. #torrents
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most pirating is re-acquiring cd music that was stolen out of your car years ago.... at least in my case... #torrents
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I mean, a true music junky would need his fix no matter what the price, right?
And the idea that file sharing helps them "discover" more music to buy seems to be an assumption without any facts to back it up.
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If I see previews for a movie that looks visually compelling but based on a funky premise or something like that, I'll snag a torrent and check it out. Likewise if it isn't very aesthetic, but looks interesting plot-wise. Usually, I don't make it all the way through the film before I decide whether or not I'll go see it in the theater. If I don't, I won't. But if I do, I'll usually shell out for it more than once. It's as simple as that.
Previews can completely misconstrue the idea behind a film, making it look spectacular when it's lame, or totally interesting when it's really just a bunch of filler. I understand that that's the idea behind marketing (to make your product look more appealing than it actually is, within reason), and that's precisely why I won't trust previews or critics' reviews to help me decide on whether or not to go see the movie. I'd much rather give my money to a filmmaker I like and support than to one whose films I don't like, but who managed to craft a clever preview.
Why should music be any different? Why should I go out and buy an entire album based on two or three radio releases and 30-second-snippets? If I don't like the music, I'm going to wish I hadn't fractionally improved that artist's position, or reinforced that music label's strategy.
To me, that same principle applies in a much broader sense to many areas of what some may call "idealistic" capitalism; it's akin to saying that executive pay (or anyone else's, for that matter) should be directly tied to performance, no questions asked. #torrents
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Five years ago: Gordonium is college, gainfully employed, and cash-buying as much music (if not more) as he illegally downloads via i2hub.
A year ago: Gordonium is in graduate school, earning a decent monthly stipend, also cash-buying as much music as he is torrenting.
Now: Gordonium is out of graduate school, unemployed, looking for a job, not buying any music at all (apologies, Porcupine Tree... soon!), AND not downloading ANYTHING.
Totally didn't catch that until just now. Fascinating. #torrents
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