I'm fairly late on this but just to add an anecdote to the Lossless conversation.
For anyone who keeps their music on their built-in hard drive and have a laptop, lossless is not a very good option of course. However, if you can spare the space, have a desktop, or an external drive for your music library, this is my opinion for Lossless:
The advantage of Apple Lossless is simply that it plays so easily with iTunes/AppleTV/iPods/iPhones. It's easy, quick, and pretty seamless to rip this format in iTunes.
The disadavantage of course is that if you want to use those lossless files on anything non-apple you're going to need to re-encode them. However, the chances of your device supporting FLAC is probably more slim than it supporting ALAC. If this is your (rare) case, than it is fairly quick and easy to just re-encode all your ALAC files to FLAC using Max in OSX.
Bottom line: if you use Apple devices ALAC is probably going to give you the least amount of fuss. Lossless is lossless.
Despite the name lossless codecs do loose a small amount of data, FLAC looses less than ALAC, and being open source will be around long, long after it's completely obsolete. If your purpose is to archive your music then these are key differences and give FLAC the edge.
If you care enough about your music to rip to lossless, might as well jump through an extra hoop or two to get the best.
I just wish Apple would released a "recently imported" tab on iTunes. When you have almost 10 thousand songs like me, its annoying as hell to go through and try to find the new songs and bring them over to your iPod, rename or add album art to them. Doesn't seem like a very hard thing to fix.
@TonyWonder: It's been said three times already, but I just thought I'd be an ass and point out that there is a Smart Playlist in iTunes called "Recently Added." You should check it out.
Even if you didn't have this list built-in, you could make your own Smart Playlist that could do the job. Scripting: It's Actually Pretty Useful, And Not That Hard.
@Beastage: I can live with that - what bugs me is the obsession with iTunes.
The vast majority of people don't use it since they're running PCs. Only people with iPods or iPhones are locked into using it and while there are a lot of them - they're still a fraction of all the phones out there, and not everyone who listens to music on their computers use PMPs (most don't, in fact).
The majority of Windows users I've talked to really don't like iTunes.
This came up on the 'modern smartphone' comparison when 'iTunes compatibility' was one of the points - which basically was a free point for the iPhone.
"iTunes is a decent audio encoder, and it'll get your music from point A—the CD—to points B, C and D—your computer, your MP3 player and your backup drive—without much trouble. But it'll do it with a less-than-great encoder, with occasionally inconsistent tagging, with album art that'll only work on Apple devices, and without support for the best lossless audio formats."
Lossless is lossless, as in it doesn't lose any information.
How is Apple lossless a "less than great" encoder? How is it any worse than any other lossless encoder?
(Agreed on the wonky album art, but frankly, I couldn't care less about the art, all I care about is the music.)
Anyone got other screenshots? Damn, I want this. Video is something the iPod Touch absolutely blows at, to the point where I don't use video at all. I'd ditch my iPod Touch for this no problem.
@Thao: I'm assuming that with foreknowledge of the touch's codec compatibility, you mean the actual video performance. I call shenanigans, as any touch in good working order is very good at actually playing the video.
If you mean compatibility, perhaps you should check before buying next time.
when I use iTunes, I wonder if I accidentally installed failure instead. It's just a terrible terrible, slow application for anyone who isn't in the cult of Apple.
Not all lossless codecs are created equal. FLAC is far superior to Apple Lossless in terms of quality, you'll just have to get over your fanboyism to use it.
The sad thing is that iPods, from a hardware standpoint, can handle FLAC just fine (5.5G or earlier can load RockBox) Apple just chooses not to support it... which is stupid.
@Soliq: Yeah... there's like a disconnect between the death of the CD and a sufficiently fast internet to support distribution of a replacement format that's at least as good. There could be an audio "middle ages" during which albums will be released only as lossy downloads.
Ultimately, high-res audio formats are inevitable. It's just a matter of when internet speed and storage make them as convenient as MP3s, so they become commonplace and not "fussy."
you forgot to mention Linux!!!! FLAC support out of the box
I use Rhythmbox for my music (well over 70k tracks), and not only did it load the library really fast, its also extremely snappy at handling the collection, i don't remember iTunes having anywhere near that stability and performance.
If you use xld or most other third party converters to alac you will run onto problems with iTunes library sharing with medium to large files. Try will skip of stop part way through. Reencode them to alac using iTunes to fix that. Just a tip because I spent a few days trying to find out why I couldn't get my alac files to play on my MacBook from my mac mini's library.
@k2snowboards88: I use Max. It's a nice free converter for the Mac OS. Not sure of the rest of it's formats as I tend to end up converting to a hugh MP3 bitrate for my car's cd-MP3 player.
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The size difference is irrelevant unless you're encoding for a player that can't store an adequate amount.
09/20/09
Considering that my music collection is larger than any portable media player can handle, then yes it is relevant.
09/19/09
For anyone who keeps their music on their built-in hard drive and have a laptop, lossless is not a very good option of course. However, if you can spare the space, have a desktop, or an external drive for your music library, this is my opinion for Lossless:
The advantage of Apple Lossless is simply that it plays so easily with iTunes/AppleTV/iPods/iPhones. It's easy, quick, and pretty seamless to rip this format in iTunes.
The disadavantage of course is that if you want to use those lossless files on anything non-apple you're going to need to re-encode them. However, the chances of your device supporting FLAC is probably more slim than it supporting ALAC. If this is your (rare) case, than it is fairly quick and easy to just re-encode all your ALAC files to FLAC using Max in OSX.
Bottom line: if you use Apple devices ALAC is probably going to give you the least amount of fuss. Lossless is lossless.
09/19/09
Despite the name lossless codecs do loose a small amount of data, FLAC looses less than ALAC, and being open source will be around long, long after it's completely obsolete. If your purpose is to archive your music then these are key differences and give FLAC the edge.
If you care enough about your music to rip to lossless, might as well jump through an extra hoop or two to get the best.
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Even if you didn't have this list built-in, you could make your own Smart Playlist that could do the job. Scripting: It's Actually Pretty Useful, And Not That Hard.
09/19/09
This isn't an Apple article but all the shots are
Apple and OSX and OSX comes before Windows....
News flash Applemodo, osx global market share is not even 5%!!!
09/19/09
The vast majority of people don't use it since they're running PCs. Only people with iPods or iPhones are locked into using it and while there are a lot of them - they're still a fraction of all the phones out there, and not everyone who listens to music on their computers use PMPs (most don't, in fact).
The majority of Windows users I've talked to really don't like iTunes.
This came up on the 'modern smartphone' comparison when 'iTunes compatibility' was one of the points - which basically was a free point for the iPhone.
09/19/09
Lossless is lossless, as in it doesn't lose any information.
How is Apple lossless a "less than great" encoder? How is it any worse than any other lossless encoder?
(Agreed on the wonky album art, but frankly, I couldn't care less about the art, all I care about is the music.)
09/19/09
How much does Best Buy charge to do this?
06/13/09
Where do I sign up?
06/14/09
If you mean compatibility, perhaps you should check before buying next time.
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The sad thing is that iPods, from a hardware standpoint, can handle FLAC just fine (5.5G or earlier can load RockBox) Apple just chooses not to support it... which is stupid.
04/11/09
High rez video gets all the love, but high rez audio formats got washed away by the tidal wave of MP3 convenience. And most people don't know or care.
I for one welcome our future high resolution consumer distribution audio formats (almost said it... almost...)
04/11/09
192/24 albums!
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I'm worried about lossy downloads taking over and not being able to purchase lossless PCM anyhwere, even at 44.1/16
04/11/09
Ultimately, high-res audio formats are inevitable. It's just a matter of when internet speed and storage make them as convenient as MP3s, so they become commonplace and not "fussy."
04/11/09
Oh... Thanks for the other info. :)
04/11/09
It's a still capture from the original TV commercial:
04/11/09
I use Rhythmbox for my music (well over 70k tracks), and not only did it load the library really fast, its also extremely snappy at handling the collection, i don't remember iTunes having anywhere near that stability and performance.
04/11/09
:oD
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