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@bagellord: Yeah a small town in a budget crunch, run by elected officials would rather voluntarily comply than face a court order. No surprises there.
Here's the real issue. Over free, public wifi networks, it's virtually impossible to find out who is committing the piracy. The MPAA is scared sh*tless that the trend towards public municipal networks like those proposed for big cities (New York, L.A., Las Vegas etc), some of which are currently under construction, will provide a safe haven for pirates, shielding them from any legal actions.
So we look at the MPAA's playbook. Find the most vunrable target and bring charges. Get a compromise ruling from a low level judge and build on the precident set by that case. This buys some time while they push for legislation requiring users of a public network to register to access the service, making them easier to ID.
Small town with only a few users... They have an ideal target there. The town officials decided to fall on this grenade for the rest of us. They'll comply with requests and back down from the fight, keeping it out of the courts for as long as they can. Rather than fight back through the courts, (where they may very well lose), they'll stall long enough to wage a PR war. Once the public is sufficiently outraged and the local jury pool influenced, their poised to win any legal battle. The MPAA will back down, declaring it a victory for themselves, but in reality, they won't get what they want. #wifi
@vlatro: Well said. The precedent this sets is frightening; a public, government entity has been coerced by a private organization into making decisions with public resources that are beneficial to said organization. #wifi
@reciprocal: funny how the MPAA can do that, and we have government and private sector watchdog organizations that do nothing but scream, "Hey, um... that's wrong!" #wifi
@reciprocal: MPAA sends violation of copyright notice to the ISP, ISP shuts down the access point.
The MPAA doesn't have any actual authority to shut it down themselves. This does, however, highlight the problem of targeting ISPs for individual abuse. It's what the MPAA relies on for identification of pirates, but it's ineffective at best. #wifi
broadband access a legal right?
yes, it currently is.
you are legally allowed to purchase broadband services.
it boggles my mind how people equate things as "rights". just because something exists and you want it, doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
you do not have a right to services provided by someone else, merely by existing. #wifi
@jayteemo: There's a difference between something being legal and it being a legal right.
For example, 3G is legal, if my area provides it I can use it. However, if it were a legal right, then my area would have to provide it. Remember, in parts of the U.S. there is no true broadband access (768kbps).
The Fins are being guaranteed 1mbps broadband and by 2015 they will be guaranteed 100mbps. That means every citizen in the entire country will, by right, have access to a 100mbps broadband connection. I think that's pretty sweet. #wifi
@jayteemo: Well said. People today seem to have no clue what a right actually is.
"Rights" and "Freedoms" are mutually exclusive ideals. If we all have the right to not be murdered, we all lose the freedom to murder someone else. That's a fair compromise in that case, but it illustrates my point.
If the government says "You have a right to free broadband access", you lose the freedom to:
1) ...opt out of paying for the government service, funded by taxes.
2) ...compete with the free service in the market. After all, who's going to pay for your service and cover your employee and infrastructure overhead when they HAVE to pay for the governments service anyway?
3) ...get similar quality service from another provider. The competition has likely either moved out of your area, shut down, or has to offer a higher tier of service at a higher price to distinguish themselves from the subsidized service.
Every right you are bestowed by government comes at a loss of freedom. Sometimes it's a fair trade, most of the time it's not. We have to choose our rights carefully, and ensure that the ones we choose are essential to the survival of our society. Declaring every convenience a Right, at the cost of our freedom, no matter how well intended the people are, will destroy everything that makes a society great. #wifi
@vlatro: @ottermann killed Kenny: At one point, rights were defined as things which couldn't be taken away by the government, not things that the majority force the minority to supply.
The right to free speech means that the government cannot prohibit you from speaking. It doesn't mean they must provide you with a platform to disseminate your message.
It's sad to see people trading real rights for material privileges. When you force people to provide goods to others, and bestow that power of force on a group of people, true rights suffer. #wifi
Basically, Capitalism isn't always the best way to do things if you prefer complacency and mediocrity over the free market which rewards those who work harder than others.
Fixed that for you. Because if you let the government take 30% of your money just for INCOME TAX, you are *fucking insane*, 100mbps connection or not. #wifi
@mike.m: Uhm, a lot of people pay that for income tax. SSI is just as much of an 'income tax' as 'income tax' is.
As for people who work harder getting ahead. I'd say that people who do manual labor work harder than I do, and pay a bigger price physically for that work, yet I make more money than I do.
Capitalism supposedly rewards people who work smarter by manipulating and using others to their advantage.
I'm not anti capitalism. Just believe that capitalism ignores that care and well being of its citizens much of the time. #wifi
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: By providing the "right" to internet, don't they also take the "right" to privacy? While all Fins will have access, that access will be able to be monitored to a point that will make this article seem tame. #wifi
Technically the only thing giving you a right to privacy (as it is not spelled out in the constitution) that I am aware of is Roe v Wade. Which, if overturned has far greater implications than just abortion being legal/illegal.
And, I'm not saying their government is "better" just that socialism and capitalism can co-exist in an ethical manner. Were capitalism "ethical" now we wouldn't be in the financial morass we find ourselves in now. #wifi
Meanwhile teabaggers and Becktard "conservatives" are crying about their fear of "big government".
While industry cabals and multinational corporations hire think analysts and consultants to find new and exciting ways to figuratively, if not literally rape every man, woman and child. And, as corrupt and inefficient as it can be, "big government" is the only thing that comes close to stopping them. And in this case, it seems to have failed.
What I don't understand is why the city would listen to the MPAA at all. What terrible precedent does this set? Who gave the MPAA this sort of power over government?
Furthermore. How does the MPAA actually know about the download? There is zero information concerning how the MPAA became aware of the download. #wifi
"The MPAA focuses most of its efforts on catching the source of the [pirated] movies." -- Heh, sure.
""We target piracy at its source," she [the VP of corporate communications for the MPAA] said. "We really focus on keeping the product out of the market in the first place."" -- I'll say.
"LaVigne has done some homework and found a program that would prevent the illegal downloads from happening in the future; however, it would cost the cash-strapped county about $2,900 to implement, $2,000 for equipment and then $900 annually for the filtering program." -- I'm sure that's a sacrifice the MPAA is more than willing for you to make.
Good read if you wanna see what everyone else outside our little tech circle is hearing. #wifi
This was on Slashdot yesterday, and people seem to have details confused. The MPAA didn't shut anything down. They sent a generic message to the owner of the IP address, being whoever ran the town WiFi, and the town chose to shut it down rather than face possible lawsuit. My guess is that it will go back up once they figure out how to handle the network better. #wifi
@HAZman27: I appreciate that you're looking for accuracy in reporting. However, fear of the MPAA leading to the shutdown of public WiFi is not anymore comforting to me than the MPAA actually giving that order.
The idea that the MPAA would have the authority to do anything but whine and moan bothers me. That they could sue an ISP for allowing one of the dozens or hundreds of users to get away with piracy. This is why safe harbor provisions exist. So that the misguided requirements of copyright owners don't bankrupt ISPs or (in this case) small town governments.
If you follow to the article BoingBoing linked to, they say they could set up a system that would cost $2900 initially, and $900 annually to monitor the traffic that goes through the network. Arguments about "Big Brother" aside, it's ridiculous that they should have to do that for one person that won't get stopped anyways.
This escalation is needless and wastes resources. #wifi
@dc-united: What about power, water, and gas? Those are utilities provided by gov regulated pirvate companies. Could Internet access be added to that group? #wifi
@newgalactic: Cable providers are already government regulated private companies... why do you think most cities/areas only have one provider? They're government granted monopolies.
Also, since when do you have a right to power, water and gas? #wifi
@Philip Han: The Internet is a medium of communication. You're arguing that when someone invents a new, more efficient medium of communication that we'll continue to use the fiber, routers, cards and routing algorithms we do now?
I'm not saying that the Internet isn't important, which seems to be the bulk of your argument. #wifi
@Varash:
@Kirkaiya:
@not_a_virus.exe.vbs:
The MPAA don't have the power to do this, likely they just bullied the administration into doing it. They don't have the ability to actually pull the plug though. If the town administration stood up to them and said no this wouldn't have happened. #wifi
@Odin: I was wondering if anyone else followed the links back. This seems like the MPAA notified the admin about the illegal download and the town shut the thing down. It said nothing about the MPAA filing suit or threatening the town in any way. Of course, it doesn't say the opposite either, and maybe the MPAA did threaten them, but for the reasons pointed out in many comments below, even a fresh-out-of-law-school lawyer is going to figure out that such a threat is a monumentally weak case.
As much as I like Boing Boing, and as much as I hate the MPAA, this strikes me as a very misleading article. #wifi
@AmphetamineCrown: All the letter says is to cease and desist immediately. Not that I would know... It's not like I have received a few... I just know a guy who knew a guy that did. #wifi
Killing the entire MPAA (and I guess I can throw in the RIAA too) sounds awfully fine right about now. Does anyone want to round them all up so I don't have to go chasing them? #wifi
@not_a_virus.exe.vbs: What you are missing are the facts that boingboing neglected to mention. The MPAA didn't actually shut the town's wi-fi down. The town chose to shut it down voluntarily after hearing from the MPAA. It is still a shitty situation, but the town probably wants to think things over and try to avoid further problems before they go "live" again.
We must not forget, as cool as he may be, Cory Doctorow (and boingboing) is prone to the most extreme hyperbole that the universe has ever witnessed, ever.#wifi
Aside from really wanting a super-router like the one in that photo, this article really makes my blood boil. How is that the MPAA (or RIAA, etc) can have legal authority to block access to so many people, based one person's illegal activity? If I were the townspeople, I'd try suing the MPAA - that would be a nice change!
And - worse - doesn't this just open the door to a new form of vandalism, where bored miscreants with laptops can drive around any town (or airport, whatever) with free WiFi, and *intentionally* download something, with the intent of pissing off the entire town.
In fact... I have a car. And a laptop. And those people over in Shelbyville really suck!
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Here's the real issue. Over free, public wifi networks, it's virtually impossible to find out who is committing the piracy. The MPAA is scared sh*tless that the trend towards public municipal networks like those proposed for big cities (New York, L.A., Las Vegas etc), some of which are currently under construction, will provide a safe haven for pirates, shielding them from any legal actions.
So we look at the MPAA's playbook. Find the most vunrable target and bring charges. Get a compromise ruling from a low level judge and build on the precident set by that case. This buys some time while they push for legislation requiring users of a public network to register to access the service, making them easier to ID.
Small town with only a few users... They have an ideal target there. The town officials decided to fall on this grenade for the rest of us. They'll comply with requests and back down from the fight, keeping it out of the courts for as long as they can. Rather than fight back through the courts, (where they may very well lose), they'll stall long enough to wage a PR war. Once the public is sufficiently outraged and the local jury pool influenced, their poised to win any legal battle. The MPAA will back down, declaring it a victory for themselves, but in reality, they won't get what they want. #wifi
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The MPAA doesn't have any actual authority to shut it down themselves. This does, however, highlight the problem of targeting ISPs for individual abuse. It's what the MPAA relies on for identification of pirates, but it's ineffective at best. #wifi
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yes, it currently is.
you are legally allowed to purchase broadband services.
it boggles my mind how people equate things as "rights". just because something exists and you want it, doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
you do not have a right to services provided by someone else, merely by existing. #wifi
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For example, 3G is legal, if my area provides it I can use it. However, if it were a legal right, then my area would have to provide it. Remember, in parts of the U.S. there is no true broadband access (768kbps).
The Fins are being guaranteed 1mbps broadband and by 2015 they will be guaranteed 100mbps. That means every citizen in the entire country will, by right, have access to a 100mbps broadband connection. I think that's pretty sweet. #wifi
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"Rights" and "Freedoms" are mutually exclusive ideals. If we all have the right to not be murdered, we all lose the freedom to murder someone else. That's a fair compromise in that case, but it illustrates my point.
If the government says "You have a right to free broadband access", you lose the freedom to:
1) ...opt out of paying for the government service, funded by taxes.
2) ...compete with the free service in the market. After all, who's going to pay for your service and cover your employee and infrastructure overhead when they HAVE to pay for the governments service anyway?
3) ...get similar quality service from another provider. The competition has likely either moved out of your area, shut down, or has to offer a higher tier of service at a higher price to distinguish themselves from the subsidized service.
Every right you are bestowed by government comes at a loss of freedom. Sometimes it's a fair trade, most of the time it's not. We have to choose our rights carefully, and ensure that the ones we choose are essential to the survival of our society. Declaring every convenience a Right, at the cost of our freedom, no matter how well intended the people are, will destroy everything that makes a society great. #wifi
11/13/09
The right to free speech means that the government cannot prohibit you from speaking. It doesn't mean they must provide you with a platform to disseminate your message.
It's sad to see people trading real rights for material privileges. When you force people to provide goods to others, and bestow that power of force on a group of people, true rights suffer. #wifi
11/13/09
Basically, Capitalism isn't always the best way to do things if you prefer complacency and mediocrity over the free market which rewards those who work harder than others.
Fixed that for you. Because if you let the government take 30% of your money just for INCOME TAX, you are *fucking insane*, 100mbps connection or not. #wifi
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As for people who work harder getting ahead. I'd say that people who do manual labor work harder than I do, and pay a bigger price physically for that work, yet I make more money than I do.
Capitalism supposedly rewards people who work smarter by manipulating and using others to their advantage.
I'm not anti capitalism. Just believe that capitalism ignores that care and well being of its citizens much of the time. #wifi
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Technically the only thing giving you a right to privacy (as it is not spelled out in the constitution) that I am aware of is Roe v Wade. Which, if overturned has far greater implications than just abortion being legal/illegal.
And, I'm not saying their government is "better" just that socialism and capitalism can co-exist in an ethical manner. Were capitalism "ethical" now we wouldn't be in the financial morass we find ourselves in now. #wifi
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While industry cabals and multinational corporations hire think analysts and consultants to find new and exciting ways to figuratively, if not literally rape every man, woman and child. And, as corrupt and inefficient as it can be, "big government" is the only thing that comes close to stopping them. And in this case, it seems to have failed.
What I don't understand is why the city would listen to the MPAA at all. What terrible precedent does this set? Who gave the MPAA this sort of power over government?
Furthermore. How does the MPAA actually know about the download? There is zero information concerning how the MPAA became aware of the download. #wifi
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"The MPAA focuses most of its efforts on catching the source of the [pirated] movies." -- Heh, sure.
""We target piracy at its source," she [the VP of corporate communications for the MPAA] said. "We really focus on keeping the product out of the market in the first place."" -- I'll say.
"LaVigne has done some homework and found a program that would prevent the illegal downloads from happening in the future; however, it would cost the cash-strapped county about $2,900 to implement, $2,000 for equipment and then $900 annually for the filtering program." -- I'm sure that's a sacrifice the MPAA is more than willing for you to make.
Good read if you wanna see what everyone else outside our little tech circle is hearing. #wifi
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The idea that the MPAA would have the authority to do anything but whine and moan bothers me. That they could sue an ISP for allowing one of the dozens or hundreds of users to get away with piracy. This is why safe harbor provisions exist. So that the misguided requirements of copyright owners don't bankrupt ISPs or (in this case) small town governments.
If you follow to the article BoingBoing linked to, they say they could set up a system that would cost $2900 initially, and $900 annually to monitor the traffic that goes through the network. Arguments about "Big Brother" aside, it's ridiculous that they should have to do that for one person that won't get stopped anyways.
This escalation is needless and wastes resources. #wifi
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@MPAA, how can it not be a necessity? Our entire civilization, world and everything else is based or on the internet. #wifi
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Also, since when do you have a right to power, water and gas? #wifi
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You can barely live a life without internet affecting or being part of your life.
Sooner or later you will be required to do many things online. And jobs are already using online applications ONLY.
Finland is just smart about it and moving ahead. Why not do what we did with landlines but with fiber-optics? #wifi
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I'm not saying that the Internet isn't important, which seems to be the bulk of your argument. #wifi
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@Kirkaiya:
@not_a_virus.exe.vbs:
The MPAA don't have the power to do this, likely they just bullied the administration into doing it. They don't have the ability to actually pull the plug though. If the town administration stood up to them and said no this wouldn't have happened. #wifi
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As much as I like Boing Boing, and as much as I hate the MPAA, this strikes me as a very misleading article. #wifi
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Unless he used a laptop with solar panels...
Alright everybody, time to shut down the sun. #wifi
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Read the article linked in the one on Boing... They got a letter telling them to stop sharing the movie and in response the owner shut it down.
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We must not forget, as cool as he may be, Cory Doctorow (and boingboing) is prone to the most extreme hyperbole that the universe has ever witnessed, ever. #wifi
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And - worse - doesn't this just open the door to a new form of vandalism, where bored miscreants with laptops can drive around any town (or airport, whatever) with free WiFi, and *intentionally* download something, with the intent of pissing off the entire town.
In fact... I have a car. And a laptop. And those people over in Shelbyville really suck!
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Even better,
People around the states should start downloading stuff in wireless networks around MPAA and RIAA people.
Make the downloads extra nasty in content to sic cops on them too! #wifi
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Step 1: Download torrent file.
Step 2: Open torrent file in favorite torrent client.
Step 3: proceed to download contents of said torrent file.
Step 4: ?????????
Step 5: PROFIT! #wifi
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@RuBBa_cHiKiN: The real question is can it fit in the Batmobile?: Forwarded at the request of the MPAA...
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nah, who am i kidding? seabiscuit was a terrible movie. #wifi