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This is the geekiest thing I have ever typed.
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The galactic empire is due for a dark age. Asimov was a prophet!
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Yeah, but it's all part of a "catch and release" program that's going to save the future of humanki.... Huh. Well, better hope that Death Star sticks around for a few centuries so it can take out that friggen Whale Probe.
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IIRC, some Federation ships built around the "saucer section plus" model can make planetary landings by detaching the saucer and landing just that section. But if an entire ship, saucer, warp nacelles, lower hull, and all has entered atmo, it's not "arriving" in San Francisco. It's *crashing*. Right?
In which case, the Death Star is just preventing cansualties on the ground by breaking up an incoming hunk of dangerous junk. The crew already abandoned ship and is being picked up safely. Two great galactic governments exist side-by-side in peace and hharmony, working together for the benefit of humanity.
Plausible? Flame away... :-)
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Congratulations. You're right...in that you're wrong. Aside from the already-cited Voyager, Klingon Birds of Prey can also make a full landing. It's really just a matter of size. Really big ships have more structural concerns in any intentional landing, and they have a harder time finding a parking space of sufficient size. Smaller ships can be concealed more easily, and it's probably more difficult to work on them in a space-dock setting.
@Tim Henson Queers Me _GitEmSteveDave:
If going down was an option, and going up was an option, hovering should have been as well. It's not like they were burning off SRBs to achieve orbit, where it was basically an "all or nothing" manouver.
@benenglish:
The engineering section makes a smaller target with a bigger effective power supply, but the saucer section on the 1701-D has a lot more weaponry. The saucer section is also a lot more vulnerable when it's not connected. With reduced power reserves and a complete lack of warp capability, it's basically just a hostage, or casualty, waiting to happen. What are they supposed to do if the engineering section decides that the only way to survive is to get the heck out of Dodge?
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[allyourtrekarebelongto.us]
[eeknight.livejournal.com]
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Uhura
Leia
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Star Wars had an exotic femme in just a fishnet top, and a princess who had no use for bras. Star Trek makes sure that all the naughty bits are fully concealed and strapped down. Who wins now?
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(Star Trek FTW!)
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fanboy shenanigans has been called on you.
Star Trek is still better though.
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We have a call of Shenanigans!
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In any case, although I'm a Star Trek fan, I would agree that Star Wars would win in the end.
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Gee, how convenient that Star Wars weapons aren't conventional lasers, but rather "blasters" that actually pack an explosive punch.
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Consider this. There is footage proving that it takes a sustained-fire shot from the Enterprise-D's phasers to burn into a simple asteroid, much like using a lighter to melt a brick of butter. The Death Star tagged a planet with a short burst from its main gun, and the whole thing turned to gravel. It's not that the Star Wars shields aren't comparable to Star Trek shields. It's just that blasters are magnitudes of magnitudes more powerful than mere phasers, and as such they can burn through capital ship shields before you even notice they were there.
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This is nothing but Imperial propaganda. Even the lowliest Starfleet ensign knows how to quickly fire up the warp engines for half a second to create a parallax effect, making the ship appear to be in two places at once.
On top of that, if a DEATH STAR (an armored space station with enough firepower to destroy an entire planet) was in orbit, you would see effects on the tides. Obviously, the fakers who made this video never saw Transformers: The Movie.
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of course it's fake, the 1701-b doesn't stand still, and has sensors that would have picked up the death star when it entered the solar system. that beach ball would have been scrap long before it was in earth orbit.
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weren't the imperial forces taken out by a bunch of overgrown tribbles?
didn't a gang of teenagers cause them grief and blew up their first death star?
like what the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?
sure, i believe you when someone says the imperial forces took out the federation...
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He's never faced death; not like this. He's cheated death, talked his way out of death and patted himself on the back for his cleverness but no... he's never actually faced death.
That said, he'd find a way.
And to those who say that they don't think Kirk is a hacker, remember one thing:
Kirk hacked the Kobayashi Maru scenario so that it was possible to save the ship. He even received a special commendation for his original thinking.
Enterprise wins by virtue of being helmed by Kirk.
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However Kirk could have beamed aboard the Deathstar and blown the enterprise up himself to take out the invading storm troopers.
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That's not the 1701-b. It's the 1701 with no letters afterwards. And the Death Star wouldn't even need to shoot it to destroy it, as smacking into it at full speed would suffice.
@OMG! Ponies!:
You're 100% correct. Kirk has never faced death. Not until right now.
@DJHeroHero_Lite:
Can't transport through shields, and the Death Star can fire even when shielded by an external source.
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Now get scrubbing, yeoman! The Captain likes a mirror finish on the floor so he can get a good view up the nurses' uniforms.
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With hyperdrives they can not drop put of hyperspace too close to a planet too. The Enterprise would detect it before it got into Saturn's orbit. ST sensors are much better than those in ST according to various books where they seem to have many uncharted regions of space plus it seems they do not detect gravity as well and that is why Grand Admiral Thrawn was able to hold Courusant hostage.
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The Empire on the other hand keeps building stations that are vulnerable to stunt fighters.
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But in this case it looks like they (Empire) hit in-system and had pretty much already occupied the planet. Maybe the Enterprise was undergoing a class 2 refit, and Kirk was on leave climbing a mountain or something.
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see:
[memory-alpha.org]
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Whoops, I thought that was the new movie Enterprise (which is the new 1701-with-no-letters-afterwards). It's actually the old movie Enterprise, which means it could be the refit 1701-with-no-letters-afterwards from ST1-3, or it could be the nearly identical 1701-A from ST4-6. It sure as hell ain't the 1701-B, though, as the engineering section isn't even close to being the right shape. The 1701-B (which first appeared in Generations) had a really crazy long scallop on the underbelly of the engineering section and looked several shades of fugly. You know, like this:
[www.cygnus-x1.net]