my guess it will be a another six years or more before we see any product using the tech. i heard of blu-ray starting around 1999 or so and if it follows the same time line it will be a while.
already on sale at Canadian Tire... pack of 3 9v (40w output) for $14.99 CDN... same idea.. a spiral inside a standard bulb... meant for fittings that a standard spiral won't fit in or will look ugly in.
@KhaiJB: I picked some up just like this at the Home Depot years ago. Even came w/a free LED nightlight. I use them in my downstairs bathroom b/c they look like real bulbs. Upstairs I use a mix of Day;light bulbs over the sink and soft light in the ceiling fixture.
We've tried a floodlight version of Compact Fluorescents (CFLs) in our recessed can lights. We got them from Costco and they still were very expensive. while we really liked the natural "white" light, in our experience, every replacement CFL (made in China) burned out after just a few months. Since we were using them to replace less expensive incandescent floods that had lasted up to 17 years, we were not amused! And of course, the CFL floods did not work with dimmers. This proved to be a bigger problem than I could have imagined. We stopped using the dimmers, but missed the ability to alter the lighting and ambiance of a room.
Needless to say, the experiment was short-lived and we've switched back to incandescent flood lamps for our recessed can fixtures. We're waiting for affordable LED lamps, which I think will prove to be more practical and less costly than CFLs, although LED lamps still are expensive today.
CFL's do reduce energy-use and theoretically, costs, but they are based on an outdated technology and contain harmful toxins. Since many are manufactured in China, they may not be reliable. Consequently, the technology proved to be too expensive for us, and a great disappointment.
@SaniyaMullimbimby: Get bulbs from Home Depot. If they burn out within the guarentee on the box, you call the number on the bulb, and they send you new ones free of charge. You then take the old bulbs back to the Depot and they will recycle them for you.
You know, I've got a CFL over my kitchen sink that I bought more than ten years ago. It's still working. If I had any wish-list for CFLs, it would not be bulb shape. Instead, it'd be 1) instant on, and 2) a warmer, incandescent-ish light.
@ned flanders: Yeah I have 2 or three generations of CFL bulbs in my apt (I am prone to buying the 10 packs at Sam's/Costco).
The oldest ones have an un-naturally high color temp (almost like HID car headlights) and they are not instant on.
The middle generation I have, are instant on but don't have much better color temp.
The newest ones I have put out nearly the same color temp as the few old incandescent bulbs I have left, they are instant on, and they seem to produce less heat than my older ones.
From my experience, buy CFLs in bulk (more than 4 in a pack), and buy name brands: Phillips/GE/etc.
I bought a couple of cheapo brand CFLs a few years back and they literally lasted less than a year. I have some old first gen Phillips CFLs that are 6+ years old!
I can see a need for this. Lots of lamps have a lampshade that clips directly onto the bulb and are built to match the shape of the old standard bulb and wont work on the coil.
@Kaiser-Machead: Thank you, but if geniuses like you had practical thinking skills, I wouldnt have a job, so keep on doing your job, so I can keep on doing mine. ;)
@Fourthletter: Something like it yes. But the same? No. It's not the idea of a CFL with frosted glass around it to make it look like a normal bulb, it's the idea that it's the exact same form factor as a normal bulb.
Think of it as perfect substitute instead of an imperfect substitute.
@Luke: It's still an imperfect substitute. An incandescent bulb can be made brighter by just increasing the size of that tiny little filament in the middle of that big hollow ball of glass. A flourescent bulb can only be made brighter by increasing the surface area of the tube. More surface area means bigger bulb. You can get a 300w-equivalent CFL at Lowe's, but the coil alone is about the size of a large peanut butter jar. A CFL that's small enough to pack into that small a bulb couldn't be much more than a 40w-equivalent, and unless you put at least half a dozen of those into a room, that's just about enough light to confirm that yes, you are in fact about to be mugged by that person dressed in black.
@Con Seannery: I believe it is for people like my landlady who sneak into your apt while you are out and switch all our bulbs, like we won't notice. Worked until we came home, switched on the ight and noticed everyone looked like a pale zombie.
@The Lab: WTF? Does your landlady cover your electric bill? Does she cover the cost of replacement lightbulbs? Every apartment I've lived in, I've bought my own bulbs and paid my own electricity...aside from when I was living in on-campus housing.
Anyways, it's all a matter of picking the right ones, and making sure you don't use underpowered bulbs. I use 100w-equivalent daylight-spectrum CFLs because cool-white flourescents are hard on the eyes, and CFL wattage-equivalent numbers always seem to be inflated beyond the amount of light that they actually produce.
@admoseremic: ...says the guy who apparently never touched a CFL that's been on for a few hours. They do get hot, just not hot enough to cause 1st degree burns like you could get with incandescents and halogens.
@freelunch: CFL coils are remarkably easy to break, just by screwing them into a light socket. I've yet to have an enclosed CFL or a standard incandescent break on me just from being screwed into a socket, so there's the safety issue up front. Also, some smaller lamps (especially older ones) have shades that clip onto a standard-size incandescent bulb with two metal rings instead of being bolted to a harp. Without a glass sphere of roughly the same size, it would be very difficult to refit those fixtures with CFLs.
@Mr_Maze: HAHAHAHAHA lol, I have a 55gal freshwater setup that uses two CF "hoops" in the light housing. (can't recall the exact wattage off the top of my head)
The ballast does get warm, but even after it has been on for hours, you can touch it without being burned. But the bulbs get HOT, hot like MELT YOUR FACE HOT if you set the light so the reflector is facing you. I have a heater in the tank, but it barely ever kicks on while the light is on...
@Purple Dave: Those are the things that I was thinking, I have had a couple CFLs break just from screwing them into the socket.
The problem comes when they are frosted, your friends will come over and thing you are an earth hating electricity monster because you haven't switched over to CFLs yet, because they look just like incandescent bulbs
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As you can see, holographic storage has been around for years.
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Finding a product name that could not possibly be offensive in any target market.
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Needless to say, the experiment was short-lived and we've switched back to incandescent flood lamps for our recessed can fixtures. We're waiting for affordable LED lamps, which I think will prove to be more practical and less costly than CFLs, although LED lamps still are expensive today.
CFL's do reduce energy-use and theoretically, costs, but they are based on an outdated technology and contain harmful toxins. Since many are manufactured in China, they may not be reliable. Consequently, the technology proved to be too expensive for us, and a great disappointment.
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The oldest ones have an un-naturally high color temp (almost like HID car headlights) and they are not instant on.
The middle generation I have, are instant on but don't have much better color temp.
The newest ones I have put out nearly the same color temp as the few old incandescent bulbs I have left, they are instant on, and they seem to produce less heat than my older ones.
From my experience, buy CFLs in bulk (more than 4 in a pack), and buy name brands: Phillips/GE/etc.
I bought a couple of cheapo brand CFLs a few years back and they literally lasted less than a year. I have some old first gen Phillips CFLs that are 6+ years old!
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Think of it as perfect substitute instead of an imperfect substitute.
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It's still an imperfect substitute. An incandescent bulb can be made brighter by just increasing the size of that tiny little filament in the middle of that big hollow ball of glass. A flourescent bulb can only be made brighter by increasing the surface area of the tube. More surface area means bigger bulb. You can get a 300w-equivalent CFL at Lowe's, but the coil alone is about the size of a large peanut butter jar. A CFL that's small enough to pack into that small a bulb couldn't be much more than a 40w-equivalent, and unless you put at least half a dozen of those into a room, that's just about enough light to confirm that yes, you are in fact about to be mugged by that person dressed in black.
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WTF? Does your landlady cover your electric bill? Does she cover the cost of replacement lightbulbs? Every apartment I've lived in, I've bought my own bulbs and paid my own electricity...aside from when I was living in on-campus housing.
Anyways, it's all a matter of picking the right ones, and making sure you don't use underpowered bulbs. I use 100w-equivalent daylight-spectrum CFLs because cool-white flourescents are hard on the eyes, and CFL wattage-equivalent numbers always seem to be inflated beyond the amount of light that they actually produce.
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I suppose if the inside is vacuum, then the heat would be carried along touching paths to the fixture - if so, that's a neat bloody trick.
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...says the guy who apparently never touched a CFL that's been on for a few hours. They do get hot, just not hot enough to cause 1st degree burns like you could get with incandescents and halogens.
@freelunch:
CFL coils are remarkably easy to break, just by screwing them into a light socket. I've yet to have an enclosed CFL or a standard incandescent break on me just from being screwed into a socket, so there's the safety issue up front. Also, some smaller lamps (especially older ones) have shades that clip onto a standard-size incandescent bulb with two metal rings instead of being bolted to a harp. Without a glass sphere of roughly the same size, it would be very difficult to refit those fixtures with CFLs.
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The ballast does get warm, but even after it has been on for hours, you can touch it without being burned. But the bulbs get HOT, hot like MELT YOUR FACE HOT if you set the light so the reflector is facing you. I have a heater in the tank, but it barely ever kicks on while the light is on...
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The problem comes when they are frosted, your friends will come over and thing you are an earth hating electricity monster because you haven't switched over to CFLs yet, because they look just like incandescent bulbs
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Save a few when they fail, so you can smash them over said guilt-tripping "friend's" head and show them all the extra stuff inside.