@dragon:ONE: I think Vizio is a bit like sharp. They give you a lot for the money, but that lot does not include reliability or affordable repairs.
If you want a throw-away tv. It's fine. I used to say the same thing about Samsung years ago, and Samsung has hugely improved upon their quality levels over the years.
At least Vizio is an actual brand, instead of some cheap manufacturer making tvs under a licensed name like Westinghouse or RCA.
The other thing not mentioned here. Most LCD sets cannot refresh 1080 lines per frame in 120 and 240 hz modes. It tends to be around 900 lines instead.
i bought a cheap vizio 32" 1080p earlier this year for ~$430. at the time, all i wanted was an HD flat panel tv - any one will do.
i hunted around and compared specs and whatnot, and settled on the vizio. months later, i'm beginning to have a bit of remorse regarding not going with a higher end TV.
don't get me wrong - it functions as it should, and works fine for what i use it for, mainly gaming. but the color is shitty, something someone who is halfway colorblind like myself shouldn't ever be able to notice.
contrast ratio sucks too. to get true black, i have to make every game look like it's taking place at night, which means... there's a lot of shit that you can't see. turn up the brightness and 'black' is more like 'blackish grey'.
there's also uneven side back lighting on one side. it's not noticeable when the scene is a bright one, but forget about playing splinter cell and really enjoying it.
on top of all that, the adjustments one can make to the picture are wonky, and for some reason the backlight is adjustable in every other preset except for CUSTOM.
its that kind of asshattery that just makes you stare at your tv in disbelief, doubly so because vizio IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY.
i'll forgive a little engrish or screwy translation when i buy something made in the land of the rising sun, but seriously, vizio. look up what the word 'custom' means.
so as a result, ill be selling it off fairly soon for around $350, and i'll shoot for a 42" with a respectable japanese moniker and a contrast ratio that has a comma in it.
@nutbastard: Ahh yes...the woes of the first HD set purchased for gaming...I've been there.
The first time I decided I needed to upgrade to the HD era was actually pretty early...about 5-6 years ago. I found a reasonably priced 36in 720p CRT set made by...ehh...some company beginning with a D...Dyson? Dixie? Dicknible? Well, the name escapes me. Let me just say...that thing was a BEAST. I HATED having to move that thing around...it weighed more than I did at the time (and that was when I was straight out of the Army). Not to mention that the picture was at BEST subpar.
The next set I decided upon was a 27in Samsung LCD, also 720p. That thing currently sits in my bedroom, and even though it's about 3-4 years old, it STILL has one of the best pictures I've seen to date. Love that set.
Then, in my horrible, unquenchable thirst for bigger and better HD, I purchased a 46in DLP from Sears. It was made by either Toshiba or Panasonic, can't recall at the moment. Regardless, I figured a 1k 1080i set would be a great investment for my gaming needs. I read somewhere that DLP's had the best features for gaming, so I thought I'd give it a shot...Don't get me wrong, the picture was OK...but only OK, and for $999 I assumed I'd be getting something along the lines of "good".
Alas, the bulb burned out in that one about 6 months ago. I was left with the decision: Spend $400 on a new bulb for the set, or use that money towards yet ANOTHER new TV.
As I sit here, in front of my 50in, 1080p Samsung plasma, only one thing REALLY comes to mind...go with Samsung. That company really has not let me down yet.
@Wilson Rothman: Yeah, I ran into that last night. Some guy was staring at a $40 12' HDMI cable so I pointed out monoprice to him. I guess someone at Best Buy tried to tell him that using Monster HDMI cable would make his 120hz look like 240...
Man was he ever grateful I wandered by. I used to sell TVs at Best Buy once upon a time before they started the huge designer cable purchasing push. It seemed much more honest then.
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: The only reason this would make any sense is the Date transferring trough the HDMI cable, Say you buy a Nice Samsung that supports 120hz, and you get a cheap Dynex HDMI cable well the transfer rate on the cable is less then 8gps, Most manufactures recommend getting a cable that supports 120hz and the transfer rate is greater then 10gps So you can actually see the 120hz. But NO buying at 120hz ready monster cable will not make your t.v look like its running at 240hz.. the Data rate is that matters.
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: You know what your right, Im just saying the source makes a difference as well, i have seen plenty of set up with 120hz t.v's with a component cable set up's and it looks great, but also t.v's with HDMI cables with faster strafer speeds and makes them look even better, it guess the television processor the source and the right cables will bring a better picture when the t.v is rending at 120 or 240hz.
@DJJS: 1.3a compliant is 1.3a compliant. Regardless of manufacturer.
However, most HDMI cables don't even say if they're 1.3a compliant or not. Mostly 1.3a exists to support resolutions higher than 1920 x 1080.
And yes, the source matters always. What is a strafer speed? Transfer? Transfer speed doesn't matter if the medium you're using doesn't transmit at it.
I'm just saying that you will likely not notice a difference between a generic and non-generic HDMI cable. While cable choice can help you maximize your experience, they cannot make a TV appear to be something it is not.
I'm always wary of the refresh rates, because one day at Best Buy I was watching a demo on a big, flat panel TV. King Kong was kicking the living shit out of some soon-to-be-dead dinosaurs, and when Mr. Kong would do action moves that normally had a natural motion blur to them that made them look realistic, this TV had such a high refresh rate (I'm assuming it is a refresh rate issue) that his motions looked unnatural and there was zero motion blur. It made the sequence look like a guy in an ape suit filmed on a set.
@Dr Durdon: Go plasma so you don't end up with the High Speed Shutter look of 120 and 240hz refresh rates would be where I'd start.
Staring at the 58" or whatever Samsung 8500 series LCD at 240hz I couldn't tell if I was watching Monday Night Football in HSS or Transformers 2 until Megan Fox showed up.
@Dr Durdon: Almost every set that is 120hz with this anti-judder, smoothing software has the option to disable it. which I would definitely do, unless it's animation or video games. To me, the anti-judder tech makes the traditional 24p of film look like it was shot on video, which we are used to associating with cheapness.
@Dr Durdon: Every set that advertises a rate higher than 60Hz has to do some signal processing to actually display the extra frames. Next time you go to a store to check out models, turn it off to see how well the panel performs with the raw signal.
@Dr Durdon: You can't. Rule of thumb is to check out the set in person and buy the same model online (if you're buying via internets). Most of the time this effect is caused by special modes enabled on the set the draw/replicate frames to fill the gap between the true frames as a way to counteract the innate issues with LCD refresh rates. HDGuru (as well as Giz IIRC) have at least one article/dicussion on this tech.
When in store see if you can manually, or with assistance, disable the motion fature (each manufacturer has a different marketing gimmick-name for it) to see if you're satisfied.
@00000000: I'd prefer to encourage people to buy in the store. Sure you can buy online and maybe save a little, but frankly you're screwing your local economy and eventually companies like Best Buy will be unable to have Brick & Mortar stores for you to see the TV in...
Not to mention the drawbacks of buying online such as you can't return the tv anywhere local if you get it home and hate it. Or if it doesn't work when it arrives you have to pay to ship it somewhere to get it fixed and/or replaced.
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: Most definitely. Sorry If I came off as encouraging internet sales. I totally wasn't; if you're picking up a TV s'best to do it in person.
For a bit of insight though; I am an office-working, non-driving, suburban resident. Internet sales on most things are the best option for me. though, when buying a TV (soon) I'm most likely going to have a friend helkp me buy one in person.
@00000000: Right, but many local stores deliver. I paid $140 to have mine delivered (I live on an island) and the old one hauled off.
Mostly it just irritates me when people post the upsides of buying off the internet (Price) without mentioning all of the possible drawbacks because there are far too many people who feel entitled to waste a B&M store's time and money asking an employee questions and then they just go shop somewhere online to get the better price.
B&M stores have inherent higher overhead. But, if you have the capability, you can usually take the item home with you that very day.
@Lite: hates Illinois Nazis: I hear ya and I still agree. though, with smaller items I buy online a ton. Larger expenses are something that I prefer to do in person. Not to mention the instant gratification as well as the piece of mind of knowing that it wasn't manahandled in transit.
Online purchases have limited options when it comes to backup plans.
@Dr Durdon: Don't Buy anything with 120hz or 240hz, this is sometimes called the Soap Opera affect, its good for fast actions scenes but some people don't like the fast refresh rates.
CNN Money is spreading a little FUD about Motorola's Droid phone. Sure wish they'd read this article. They quote some guy as saying "The problem with Android phones is this: How do you gain a competitive advantage when you rely on somebody else for a key piece of the system? (...) Every successful smartphone vendor controls the hardware and software." #android20
@ninjagin: Oh mother of crap....I am through the first paragraph of that article and my stomach is already churning.
Rule number 1 in movie quotes: You absolutely do not EVER mention the movie they're from directly. If your audience won't get it, just let it be your own joke to yourself, or don't bother at all. Gah! Philistines, I swear. #android20
Android vs Symbian vs iPhone OS vs Windows Mobile vs Blackberry OS vs DangerOS vs Web OS... then the boring ones: LiMo, etc. Gonna be a fun 10 years. #android20
Google seems to have adopted the complete opposite of Apple's strategy for iPhone OS, where features like video recording and MMS are held back until the experience is refined. Google is just as Beta-happy as always, letting features and functionality out to debug and evolve in the hands of the public.
Both of these approaches have distinct advantages, and both will appeal to different markets. Google will continue to push Android onto every phone, netbook, photo frame, and toaster that it can, and Apple will continue will continue to stubbornly maintain a closed hardware and development ecosystem, just as they always have with Mac. At the end of the day, Apple shouldn't be worried about Android, but virtually everyone else most certainly should. #android20
@lolbrbnvm: Google will continue to push Android onto every phone, netbook, photo frame, and toaster that it can,
Google doesn't have to push, it just provides. How Google spent anything advertising Android? Some photo frame maker chooses Android, makes it work on their devices, and sells them. It contributes any source code changes it makes so that when Android 2.x comes out it has less work to do. The base software becomes a shared common level playing field that permits (but doesn't guarantee) more innovation than Apple's and Microsoft's controlled gardens. That's the magic of open source, when it works. #android20
you sure put lots of hope in the android, predicting the future like this. Sure, it has the potential to be huge, but it (as all those shiny things hapening tomorrow) is not certain what WILL happen. Who knows what other companies are cooking, outside US specially? #android20
@Davi Viana: The fact that Android is already on dozens of devices now (not just phones) is why John is confident making his assessment. Android has proven itself to be cheap, easy to implement, powerful, versatile, and hardware independent. No other current phone OS can make the same claims. Android isn't just a new phone OS, it's a sea-change in the way devices are implementing OS features for broad compatibility. #android20
@met2art: Yes, sure, i agree with you. but when you deal with tomorrow-ish issues, a few "may happen" in your claims wont hurt. Its just a matter of tendency vs. prophecy - or, some might say, scientific writing. #android20
With handsets being developed by multiple manufacturers, Android will find itself in all different kinds of form factors (flip, slider, so-durable-you-can-run-it-over-in-a-jeep candybar). This gives Android a mass appeal that I doubt Apple will be able to match. The iPhone may get smaller over time, but methinks that form factor is here to stay.
Of course, while my fellow cell phone nerds and I are enraptured by the Apple v Android battle, Google will have completed their quest for global domination.
Great article John. Thanks for explaining the nuances of Google's proprietary apps using multitouch as an example. That would have driven me crazy. #android20
why couldn't u drop this article yesterday to back me comments on the 2.0 review. oh well, better late than never. (consequently, still waiting for this craigslist ho who said she was coming over 3 hours ago(been up all night), so im hoping "better late than never" truly applies (until noon or i fall asleep) that is)... Rant - rant- rant... #android20
Lots of words, but not the most important ones. Those would be, "Android is merely a set of tools that can be randomly applied to many different hardware devices," which is both the power and doom of Android. With no consistent hardware target, Android will never attract the degree of mainstream commercial developer support to create a truly ubiquitous new platform. Period. Everything else said here to the contrary is just fantasy-inspired nonsense.
@jack006: Exactly. Just look at the PC, with its heterogenous hardware and lack of central control and standardization. What a complete flop that was. #android20
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If you want a throw-away tv. It's fine. I used to say the same thing about Samsung years ago, and Samsung has hugely improved upon their quality levels over the years.
At least Vizio is an actual brand, instead of some cheap manufacturer making tvs under a licensed name like Westinghouse or RCA.
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And I'd personally go for a Sammy over one a Viz any day.
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i hunted around and compared specs and whatnot, and settled on the vizio. months later, i'm beginning to have a bit of remorse regarding not going with a higher end TV.
don't get me wrong - it functions as it should, and works fine for what i use it for, mainly gaming. but the color is shitty, something someone who is halfway colorblind like myself shouldn't ever be able to notice.
contrast ratio sucks too. to get true black, i have to make every game look like it's taking place at night, which means... there's a lot of shit that you can't see. turn up the brightness and 'black' is more like 'blackish grey'.
there's also uneven side back lighting on one side. it's not noticeable when the scene is a bright one, but forget about playing splinter cell and really enjoying it.
on top of all that, the adjustments one can make to the picture are wonky, and for some reason the backlight is adjustable in every other preset except for CUSTOM.
its that kind of asshattery that just makes you stare at your tv in disbelief, doubly so because vizio IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY.
i'll forgive a little engrish or screwy translation when i buy something made in the land of the rising sun, but seriously, vizio. look up what the word 'custom' means.
so as a result, ill be selling it off fairly soon for around $350, and i'll shoot for a 42" with a respectable japanese moniker and a contrast ratio that has a comma in it.
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The first time I decided I needed to upgrade to the HD era was actually pretty early...about 5-6 years ago. I found a reasonably priced 36in 720p CRT set made by...ehh...some company beginning with a D...Dyson? Dixie? Dicknible? Well, the name escapes me. Let me just say...that thing was a BEAST. I HATED having to move that thing around...it weighed more than I did at the time (and that was when I was straight out of the Army). Not to mention that the picture was at BEST subpar.
The next set I decided upon was a 27in Samsung LCD, also 720p. That thing currently sits in my bedroom, and even though it's about 3-4 years old, it STILL has one of the best pictures I've seen to date. Love that set.
Then, in my horrible, unquenchable thirst for bigger and better HD, I purchased a 46in DLP from Sears. It was made by either Toshiba or Panasonic, can't recall at the moment. Regardless, I figured a 1k 1080i set would be a great investment for my gaming needs. I read somewhere that DLP's had the best features for gaming, so I thought I'd give it a shot...Don't get me wrong, the picture was OK...but only OK, and for $999 I assumed I'd be getting something along the lines of "good".
Alas, the bulb burned out in that one about 6 months ago. I was left with the decision: Spend $400 on a new bulb for the set, or use that money towards yet ANOTHER new TV.
As I sit here, in front of my 50in, 1080p Samsung plasma, only one thing REALLY comes to mind...go with Samsung. That company really has not let me down yet.
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Man was he ever grateful I wandered by. I used to sell TVs at Best Buy once upon a time before they started the huge designer cable purchasing push. It seemed much more honest then.
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However, most HDMI cables don't even say if they're 1.3a compliant or not. Mostly 1.3a exists to support resolutions higher than 1920 x 1080.
And yes, the source matters always. What is a strafer speed? Transfer? Transfer speed doesn't matter if the medium you're using doesn't transmit at it.
I'm just saying that you will likely not notice a difference between a generic and non-generic HDMI cable. While cable choice can help you maximize your experience, they cannot make a TV appear to be something it is not.
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How can I avoid this when buying online?
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Staring at the 58" or whatever Samsung 8500 series LCD at 240hz I couldn't tell if I was watching Monday Night Football in HSS or Transformers 2 until Megan Fox showed up.
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When in store see if you can manually, or with assistance, disable the motion fature (each manufacturer has a different marketing gimmick-name for it) to see if you're satisfied.
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Not to mention the drawbacks of buying online such as you can't return the tv anywhere local if you get it home and hate it. Or if it doesn't work when it arrives you have to pay to ship it somewhere to get it fixed and/or replaced.
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For a bit of insight though; I am an office-working, non-driving, suburban resident. Internet sales on most things are the best option for me. though, when buying a TV (soon) I'm most likely going to have a friend helkp me buy one in person.
#tips
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Mostly it just irritates me when people post the upsides of buying off the internet (Price) without mentioning all of the possible drawbacks because there are far too many people who feel entitled to waste a B&M store's time and money asking an employee questions and then they just go shop somewhere online to get the better price.
B&M stores have inherent higher overhead. But, if you have the capability, you can usually take the item home with you that very day.
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Online purchases have limited options when it comes to backup plans.
#tips
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"Jabba the Hut like competition"
what does that even mean? #android20
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Rule number 1 in movie quotes: You absolutely do not EVER mention the movie they're from directly. If your audience won't get it, just let it be your own joke to yourself, or don't bother at all. Gah! Philistines, I swear. #android20
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Both of these approaches have distinct advantages, and both will appeal to different markets. Google will continue to push Android onto every phone, netbook, photo frame, and toaster that it can, and Apple will continue will continue to stubbornly maintain a closed hardware and development ecosystem, just as they always have with Mac. At the end of the day, Apple shouldn't be worried about Android, but virtually everyone else most certainly should. #android20
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Google doesn't have to push, it just provides. How Google spent anything advertising Android? Some photo frame maker chooses Android, makes it work on their devices, and sells them. It contributes any source code changes it makes so that when Android 2.x comes out it has less work to do. The base software becomes a shared common level playing field that permits (but doesn't guarantee) more innovation than Apple's and Microsoft's controlled gardens. That's the magic of open source, when it works. #android20
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Of course, while my fellow cell phone nerds and I are enraptured by the Apple v Android battle, Google will have completed their quest for global domination.
Great article John. Thanks for explaining the nuances of Google's proprietary apps using multitouch as an example. That would have driven me crazy. #android20
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Stay classy Cincinnati, stay classy.
Hopefully she runs Android. #android20
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