@GitEmSteveDave_Galactica1980: No problem bud, I'm here to help. Here's the plan. We're going to hold up a car dealership at watergun point, and then we're going to get sentenced to parole for a while because we're too dumb to do hard time. Or too white. Semantics! Anyway, after we've got the ankle bracelet, it hardly matters what we do.
This is so strange, my wife gave me a gazillion spare batteries--I've got spare batteries everywhere--my bag, my car, my office... None of them hold a charge.
10 years ago I worried about the government implanting RFID chips in my children without asking me then recently I revisited that fear and realized that they had figured out how to follow everyone in the country and they made everyone pay for the equipment themselves. GSM in cellphones.
I can find my exact location on my BB with Google maps. What is stopping not just the government but anyone with the means of finding me where ever I am because I always carry my BB and my kids are never without their cell phones.
Screw it, let the government follow me around. I don't have any any terrorist activities planned. If they want to see me going back and forth to work and the donut shop fine with me.
@reddingofish: You're wrong. The government has no clue where our houses are. To fix this, that is why the census is using GPS this year, and when they move the Census to a yearly and then daily census(requiring you to confirm who you are +where when they shut down the private internet), THEN they will know where you are. They will couple this with the biometric data they steal from you at airports, the DNA they illegally stole form everyone in the world at birth for the last 30 years and keep in Eugenics Labs. In addition, these will be cross referenced with the gait patterns the surveillance blimps 80,000 feet in the atmosphere are collecting in addition to the face and body scanning technology which Microsoft, who is a front for the Government, will be collecting through the NATAL cameras, which can scan you and transmit the data, even when turned off and unplugged. All of this will allow them to frame you for crimes, track you, and send SWAT teams and cruise missiles/Terminators directly to your door and kill you specifically.
GSM itself is fine, but the SIM cards do make it rather easy to pop into gadgets like this without help from the carriers...
You're right about giving people their own tracking devices. More and more phones and cameras use GPS to "geotag" their photos with location data - time stamps are old hat already. When I started seeing ads for online photo storage for cel phones it dawned on me - law enforcement often gets overreaching approval to go through electronic records; all they would have to do is get a warrant to search one server hosting cel phone photos, and then run a facial recognition program over it and they would know exactly who was where, and when, and who they associate with. It's not some Minority Report conspiracy theory - this is simple to do with currently available, and even mature tech. It'll just be a little longer before it's very practical because geotagging is still catching on.
Since we can't count on laws to enforce courteously not violating people's privacy, I think the answer would be legal requirements for data encryption and storage for such records - on a phone photo host server they would have to encrypt every client's photos with a separate key, either known only to the client, or hashed from a password of theirs. This would prevent the convenient searching of whole servers at a time.
aaaaanyway, that was kind of a tangent, so back to the battery - that thing looks like it has the exact same dimensions as my Motorola KRZR battery. That's interesting because I was just thinking it may be foiled by a phone like mine that uses a sheet metal battery cover - apparently not so much.
I work in a police dept. doing IT in the Madison Area. Every time police go to a location, the GPS coordinates are logged into a server. Every single squad car has a GPS device and is tracked at all times. In the case of the officers it's important because if an officer can't talk on their radio, dispatch still knows where they are.
Personally, I think the police can get a lot more done if they don't have to physically follow someone. Ever heard of a stakeout? GPS tracking on a car is much less of an invasion of privacy than a detective watching your every move. I don't see what the problem is. It saves the taxpayers a lot of money when they're not paying a cop to sit and watch someone all day. If you read the article you'd also note that GPS tracking was used to determine that a man was stalking a woman who had come to them with a complaint and he was arrested and charged based on the evidence.
Also, most phones have GPS and if you don't have it turned off, you can be tracked in much more detail than with a unit on a car. So this is making a stink but everyone's already forgotten about Bush's warrentless wire-tapping. I'd rather be tagged than tapped.
Ah, but the potential for abuse is so incredible it defies logic because there is absolutely no OK prior required prior to attaching one of these devices. I don't give a damn if it makes me 10% safer if it means there's a nearly 100% chance some idiot cop is going to use it improperly. I'm just glad I don't live in Wisconsin.
@MarlandBabatunde: So up until now, no one has ever tailed or followed a car? Since this does EXACTLY what a person themselves can do, the potential for "abuse" will never be eliminated until we make everyone stay in their homes and never leave.
@Persistence: Hey I bet that when you look at the GPS tracking on the cops car you see them parked at a restaurant or a quiet neighborhood street where they try to hand out tickets to good abiding citizen who just happens to have expired sticker or broken tail light huh? I see that too...and I don't need gps tracker to see that. I say it's definitely needed on the cops...but make sure something is done about it when they sit around and do nothing all day.
@Thai Tea: You know what makes me laugh? People like you. You go off about how the Police do nothing, yet as soon as something happens, who do you call? You are like the "alternative" medicine crowd who go around saying how bad "Big Pharma" is and how their medicine makes you sicker, until they get really ill, then they run to the hospital.
@SSRPaulO: Thats not the issue at hand. The issue at hand deals with GPS trackers for cars.
@maztec: Actually it is a big step. I don't have an expectation of privacy for my car. Its got windows, its licensed by the state and travels on public streets. I do have an expectation of privacy in my home and in my person.
@tande04: Your house has windows, is on a public street, is (presumably) hooked up to public utilities, and is zoned by the local government. The only difference is that your house doesn't move.
The point is that they don't need an excuse to put one of these things on your car. If this goes through, what's to stop them from putting cameras in your house without a warrant? Admittedly, those are two very different scenarios, but once a precedent like this is set, it is very easy for them to justify further invasions of privacy down the line. I'm all for public safety, but we need to be careful of what kind of behavior this sort of thing can set up down the road.
@Hintzyboy: I would never let the police put cameras in my house w/o a warrant. That is just something I could never let happen. I mean, they would probably put them in the wrong places, and get horrible shots.
@Moonshadow101: Technically they aren't gaining access to private property, or even the interior of one's car (which may be considered as such, I don't know), but are rather placing this unit somewhere on the exterior of the vehicle, if not the under carriage.
If they were gaining that access to plant this "bug", then I would presume it would fall under the same law as you are describing. The argument being made is that they are just making it easier to do something they already can (surveillance), and I would think it's also possible for them to easily listen in on someone's conversation; however; being able to do so in someone's house is not legal without a warrant/probable cause or whatever (it used to be, I don't know about it now).
As in, they can easily listen to you, but that doesn't mean that planting a bug inside someone's house without the right to do so is legal merely because they could have done it through another method.
@bnsqueak: Nah, I'm very cam-minded. Just a box w/6 cameras, one on each side, that takes a shot every .5 seconds and stores it on a memory card along w/GPS data. Be interesting what the time lapse would look like.
@Buckaroo_GitEmSteveDave: There was a book that came out about a year or so ago called "Punching In" where a guy infiltrated UPS, Apple Retail, the Gap and some other stores, getting front-line jobs under false pretenses, and then wrote about it. It's not like shipping a box with cameras stuck onto it, but you kind of get an idea of what the behind-the-scenes is like at brown.
@frigg: I've seen shows where they followed a package from UPS pickup, through WorldPort, all the way to delivery, and it was cool, but I want to see what the package sees.
Great. I don't want that damn DHL guy going through my shit. I always thought of what those damn delivery men do to those packages when they are alone...
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I can find my exact location on my BB with Google maps. What is stopping not just the government but anyone with the means of finding me where ever I am because I always carry my BB and my kids are never without their cell phones.
Screw it, let the government follow me around. I don't have any any terrorist activities planned. If they want to see me going back and forth to work and the donut shop fine with me.
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GSM itself is fine, but the SIM cards do make it rather easy to pop into gadgets like this without help from the carriers...
You're right about giving people their own tracking devices. More and more phones and cameras use GPS to "geotag" their photos with location data - time stamps are old hat already. When I started seeing ads for online photo storage for cel phones it dawned on me - law enforcement often gets overreaching approval to go through electronic records; all they would have to do is get a warrant to search one server hosting cel phone photos, and then run a facial recognition program over it and they would know exactly who was where, and when, and who they associate with. It's not some Minority Report conspiracy theory - this is simple to do with currently available, and even mature tech. It'll just be a little longer before it's very practical because geotagging is still catching on.
Since we can't count on laws to enforce courteously not violating people's privacy, I think the answer would be legal requirements for data encryption and storage for such records - on a phone photo host server they would have to encrypt every client's photos with a separate key, either known only to the client, or hashed from a password of theirs. This would prevent the convenient searching of whole servers at a time.
aaaaanyway, that was kind of a tangent, so back to the battery - that thing looks like it has the exact same dimensions as my Motorola KRZR battery. That's interesting because I was just thinking it may be foiled by a phone like mine that uses a sheet metal battery cover - apparently not so much.
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Personally, I think the police can get a lot more done if they don't have to physically follow someone. Ever heard of a stakeout? GPS tracking on a car is much less of an invasion of privacy than a detective watching your every move. I don't see what the problem is. It saves the taxpayers a lot of money when they're not paying a cop to sit and watch someone all day. If you read the article you'd also note that GPS tracking was used to determine that a man was stalking a woman who had come to them with a complaint and he was arrested and charged based on the evidence.
Also, most phones have GPS and if you don't have it turned off, you can be tracked in much more detail than with a unit on a car. So this is making a stink but everyone's already forgotten about Bush's warrentless wire-tapping. I'd rather be tagged than tapped.
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Admittedly there is nothing in the Giz article that mentions it but seriously...
How would police attach GPS to a person with out them knowing? They going to tag their ear while they're sleeping?
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@maztec: Actually it is a big step. I don't have an expectation of privacy for my car. Its got windows, its licensed by the state and travels on public streets. I do have an expectation of privacy in my home and in my person.
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The point is that they don't need an excuse to put one of these things on your car. If this goes through, what's to stop them from putting cameras in your house without a warrant? Admittedly, those are two very different scenarios, but once a precedent like this is set, it is very easy for them to justify further invasions of privacy down the line. I'm all for public safety, but we need to be careful of what kind of behavior this sort of thing can set up down the road.
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Isn't THAT illegal?
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If they were gaining that access to plant this "bug", then I would presume it would fall under the same law as you are describing. The argument being made is that they are just making it easier to do something they already can (surveillance), and I would think it's also possible for them to easily listen in on someone's conversation; however; being able to do so in someone's house is not legal without a warrant/probable cause or whatever (it used to be, I don't know about it now).
As in, they can easily listen to you, but that doesn't mean that planting a bug inside someone's house without the right to do so is legal merely because they could have done it through another method.
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