@Homerjay is utterly alone.: Leica rangefinders are always beautiful. Overpriced, but beautiful. There's something to be said for that Soviet era aesthetic. #leicam7hermes
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: on the Titanic, he saved the life of the crew by going under the door and pushing the button to open the airlock. He should be a national hero! And they didn't even have to dress up like women and children to get an escape pod... #leicam7hermes
Two questions - who uses film nowadays and where would you develop it? All our local photo developing joints are, well, nonexistant (the drugstore I would NORMALLY go to get prints done just switched to full-on digital only through a crappy kiosk).
@dragon: ONE: 1: Lots of people.
2: most CVSs, Walmarts, Walgreens, and Targets if you want crappy prints. There are also places to send your film to be developed fairly inexpensively, such as Dwayne's Photo. #leica
@dragon: ONE: The black and white crowd still loves film - digital can't reproduce the tones you get from the B&W process. Also, film has made a small comeback with the art crowd, mostly in the cheap plastic camera category.
You get it developed at a local camera shop, or you mail it off to one of the developing houses around the country, or you develop it yourself in your home.
That being said, anyone purchasing one of these is doing it for collector's reasons. Film cameras are insanely cheap these days. You could get any of the best film cameras ever produced, in mint condition, for less than a few grand. Most of the higher-production cameras (e.g. Nikon as opposed to Hasselblad) don't sell for more than $200. #leica
@dragon: ONE: There are some compelling reasons to use film, one of which is completely absent in this case (quality/price ratio is thrown off here). You can get an excellent 35mm camera for just a few dollars (I paid $2 for a Yashica T4 once), and not have to cry if it's damaged. Let a small child use it. The cheap digitals made for kids are barely worth pointing at something.
There are still 3 different places in my small town to get 1 hour film developing, and a half dozen others who offer 2 day service. I still shoot loads of film despite having excellent digital cameras. Scanning takes extra time, but I can still get better results from 35mm than digital, though I admit that there's better equipment out there than mine.
While color has gone very digital, you won't find that nearly as many B&W fans use digital. For some reason, B&W photographers still strongly prefer film. I love B&W film, and I develop it myself in my bathroom using about $30 worth of equipment. #leica
@dragon: ONE: Film is probably dead among the masses, but there are still a strong group of photography enthusiasts that use film. I actually just placed an order for a 35mm rangefinder, since I'm finding that I enjoy film photos alot more than digital ones. In looking around, it seems like Meijer, Costco, Sam's Club, and Wolf Cameras all still process 35mm film. #leica
@dragon: ONE: people who buy $14,000 camera don't go to drugstores to get the film developed :) it's more of a collectors camera...probably will end up in a showcase in a million dollar home as a conversation piece #leica
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For example, i am a leica photographer too. Shooting even commissioned and payed stuff on film .. Developing was never and will never be a problem, since i do it myself ..
And if you ask my why im shooting on film, i can give you a simple answer: Because my clients want me to .. #leica
@dragon: ONE: I use film for my photography... especially color because its impossible to get to the same quality in digital and I'm assuming if you're willing to pay $14,000 on a Leica then you either have access to a dark room or are willing to send your film out to be developed #leica
If you're buying a $14,000 camera - I'm assuming you already have your own darkroom.
And if not, you wouldn't be getting your film developed at the drugstore - you'd be going to specialty camera shops and telling them how you want it done. #leica
@TheCrudMan: That shot alone can be used as a great pro-film example. The depth of field control of 35mm film is far more versatile than prosumer digital SLRs with their APS-C size sensors. A digital camera would have far more in focus, which has its place, but it's pretty hard to get this kind of isolation with digital. Non-SLR digitals have tiny sensors and would have far more depth of field. #leica
@SagarikaLumos: You skirt the issue there. The issue for depth of field isn't what is recording the light, but the size of the sensor. 16mm film would get about the same dof as APS-C. FF35 sensors get about the same as 35mm. So on and so forth. If you are going to compare the two, compare them for like sized sensors. Besides, digital capture can be done in 4x5, so just think of the dof you could get there. #leica
@szrimaging: That far outstrips the depth of money that it takes with film. As I said in my initial post, film's advantage right now is in the price/performance ratio, which is bent out of shape by the fact that the Leica in question is $18,000.
I could compare like sized sensors, but it makes more sense to compare like sized money. FF35 sensor cameras are far above what most people will pay, never mind digital MF. #leica
@SagarikaLumos: Well, if you shoot a LOT of film, like 5 plus rolls of film per week, and process at a place like A&I, then your price difference is made up in a year or two. Not to mention the cost of scanning the film. In the sort term film is cheaper, in the long term, digital is cheapest.
Digital MF is really the realm of pros, where you save money, not to mention time, by running the digital.
And to get the resolution out of film, you would need to drum scan, or other similar scanners. A drum scanner is over 10k last I looked, and pretty sure a company like NancyScans charges a pretty high amount per slide that they scan. Really, cost to performance wise, digital is a bigger bargain now than ever before. #leica
This has to be one of the dumbest ideas for a yacht. Ships are shaped a certain way for a reason. Also, they show pictures of a nice view onto open sea. Why not show the truth. That the horizon would rock back and forth until you puke all over yourself.
Am I the only one that thinks the back end sunbathing people will get soaked when the water gets choppy? Especially if they sail across the Atlantic, like they claim it can.
Still, this'd be a great place to rip around on rollerblades.
This seems like just the thing to buy on a whim, use it for six months and then realize it isn't extravagant as I once thought it was, then keep it on the market for years for more than I paid for it, trying to recoup my initial losses.
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Its a Hermès tax added in addition to the Leica tax.
There is not a tangible technical difference between this body and the plain ol' M7.
Its just a fashion accessory not a tool for photographers at this point.
For people that would rather look pretty taking pictures then taking pretty pictures. #leica
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2: most CVSs, Walmarts, Walgreens, and Targets if you want crappy prints. There are also places to send your film to be developed fairly inexpensively, such as Dwayne's Photo. #leica
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You get it developed at a local camera shop, or you mail it off to one of the developing houses around the country, or you develop it yourself in your home.
That being said, anyone purchasing one of these is doing it for collector's reasons. Film cameras are insanely cheap these days. You could get any of the best film cameras ever produced, in mint condition, for less than a few grand. Most of the higher-production cameras (e.g. Nikon as opposed to Hasselblad) don't sell for more than $200. #leica
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There are still 3 different places in my small town to get 1 hour film developing, and a half dozen others who offer 2 day service. I still shoot loads of film despite having excellent digital cameras. Scanning takes extra time, but I can still get better results from 35mm than digital, though I admit that there's better equipment out there than mine.
While color has gone very digital, you won't find that nearly as many B&W fans use digital. For some reason, B&W photographers still strongly prefer film. I love B&W film, and I develop it myself in my bathroom using about $30 worth of equipment. #leica
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@SagarikaLumos: I took this picture just a couple of weeks ago with a camera I paid less than $10 for and a roll of free expired film.
Long live film! #leica
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For example, i am a leica photographer too. Shooting even commissioned and payed stuff on film .. Developing was never and will never be a problem, since i do it myself ..
And if you ask my why im shooting on film, i can give you a simple answer: Because my clients want me to .. #leica
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If you're buying a $14,000 camera - I'm assuming you already have your own darkroom.
And if not, you wouldn't be getting your film developed at the drugstore - you'd be going to specialty camera shops and telling them how you want it done. #leica
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@SagarikaLumos:
Nice! #leica
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Sadly I'm also too poor to even consider owning a Leica. #leica
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I could compare like sized sensors, but it makes more sense to compare like sized money. FF35 sensor cameras are far above what most people will pay, never mind digital MF. #leica
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Digital MF is really the realm of pros, where you save money, not to mention time, by running the digital.
And to get the resolution out of film, you would need to drum scan, or other similar scanners. A drum scanner is over 10k last I looked, and pretty sure a company like NancyScans charges a pretty high amount per slide that they scan. Really, cost to performance wise, digital is a bigger bargain now than ever before. #leica
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Ok, sorry about that.
Still, several obligatory luxury items missing, or not showing on the video...
This thing needs at least a full spa, olympic internal pool, bar lounge with pool table, home theater, etc etc
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@gallahad: Yep!
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