• Mic/Amplify/Work In Any Way With speakerphone calls? Because Apple doesn't allow this
• Connect to the iPhone through a custom app (EQ display, etc)? Apple only recently made this possible, I suspect the iP1 was too far along in development.
• Dial a number through its oversized remote? Because Apple doesn't allow this
• Output video through HDMI instead of component? One day... HDMI is not the simplest nor least expensive way to support HDTV hookup, and for content that isn't even HD, the benefits of the serial digital signal are less.
• Support A2DP audio streams (no dock needed)? Because A2DP audio quality would sound even more like shit at 100 Watts.
• Floor me with sound quality? Matter of taste here... sounds like many are floored given the segment and competition.
@wae: Let me preface this by saying, I know you work for iHome. I can tell by your commenting history. (The last story you commented in was discrediting John Mahoney because he didn't like the iP1 enough for you.) So let me shoot down your lying corporate ass point by point. (Before banning you later.)
There are other products, ON THE MARKET, by IHOME, that support speakerphone through mic/speakers. They use Bluetooth to do so, yes, but don't give me this not allowed bullshit. Tell your employer to figure it out.
Development time toubles for a custom app? Not my problem, nor a consumer's.
Yes, HDMI is the simplest way to hook up an HDTV. It's one freggin' cord, dumbass. You could generate the signal through a converter, independent of the dock. This would help most consumers as HDMI is the de facto home theater standard.
A2DP audio shouldn't be included because it's not good enough? It's good enough for other iHome products (and a slew of em from more reputable manufacturers). The option for consumers to choose would be nice.
Sound quality can be a matter of taste...in high end systems. The iP1 isn't quite good enough to be beyond critique.
As for dialing a number through a remote, OK, you got me - maybe that's restricted. I honestly don't care enough to look it up at this point as I'm considering blackballing any corporation who plants commenters from review altogether.
@Mark Wilson: Hi Mark. Apologies for not disclosing. Yeah. I work for iHome (since a few weeks ago), and before that I worked at a semiconductor supplier to audio companies, one being iHome. I blog about my affiliations openly, and from time to time I comment on other blogs about products I know and/or care about. As anyone can easily see from my Gizmodo comment history, recently this has much to do with the iP1, but it just so happens that on other blogs it has covered numerous products from other vendors I've worked on over the past couple years. Respectfully, being a "plant" from my corporation simply isn't even close to the case here as iHome did not direct me to post here.
FWIW, I stand by my comments above, as they are not meant to mislead at all, and they are based on my experience working on products around the iPod/iPhone platform, per se (...save for my one opinion on A2DP, which is neither controversial in audio circles, nor biased in favor of iHome).
I think it’s useful for readers to recognize that there are certain constraints placed on Apple-licensed accessory makers when implementing accessories for iPod and iPhone. A prime example is Bluetooth, which today is the only means to support Speakerphone or call controls on the iPhone (unless you count the headphone jack... but that gets messy too). The 30-pin is simply not an available option for phone audio or control for the foreseeable future. In addition, there are product marketing reasons (i.e. competitive positioning and product-economics) why Bluetooth for phone-calls and/or stereo audio are more/less appropriate on one SKU versus another. As you noted, consumers should be able to choose, and I argue that they can. They can consider one of the other products you speak of, and if they must have A2DP on a particular dock product, they can consider buying 3rd party BT receivers and using the AUX-input present on most speakerdocks.
As @Nick2 noted, HDMI has its cost/benefit challenges as well. Architecturally, product makers have to pick their battles. Many other docks fail to offer video at all... so that's something, right?
I too look forward to more devices that offer more convergence and stellar-execution. I hope that a negative sentiment wasn't coming across in this regard – I was fairly terse I admit. All in all, I thought the review portion of your original post was balanced and thorough. And again, that's just my personal opinion.
I dont have an IPhone (yet, anyway), but if I did, I would definatley get one of these. I love a full sized keyboard. As a touch typist, the tiny keybaords are a pain, even the QWERTY ones, and as a some time number cruncher I LOVE the 10 key on the side.
I was about to attempt a dick joke, and then I got distracted by the thought of embedding optical mouse guts in the bottom of the keyboard. So you could, you know, shift the keyboard around to move the cursor. Probably not practical, but then again, neither is this thing.
The laptop holder is to raise the screen to a comfortable viewing level. There are lots of these kinds of stands on the market. This thing would not be bad if those speakers hooked up to your laptop. And if it wasn't 300 frikking dollars.
@Kaiser-Machead: Interstingly, the move you describe, diving into another's head and yanking out his or her thoughts, is known as the holy fuck. I think it got it's name from commonly illiciting a vocal "Ye Gods" from its victim.
A lot of great albums were mixed on Yamaha NS-10m's, but not because they sound all that great in and of themselves, but because they (1st theory) replicate shitty home stereo speakers, or (2nd theory) have deficiencies that make you compensate by pumping up desirable frequencies, or (3rd theory) became a reference monitor because they were everywhere, or (4th theory) are sometimes paired with insanely great amplifiers that could draw blood from a stone.
But saying something doesn't sound as good as a NS-10 studio monitor isn't all that reassuring considering NS-10m's kind of sound like crap.
What is the point of an iPod dock that has to be plugged in to use? If you are going to have to plug it in, then you might as well open this comparison up to any small stereo system that has an auxiliary port, most of which will sound better than all of these, I suspect. If you need a portable speaker system for an iPod, then the Logitech here is about the only real option.
Bose SoundDock PORTABLE would beat all these.. it uses waveguide and the SoundDock series 2 doesn't.. seriously give it a whirl, yeah its another $100 but its also battery operated.. my fav product Bose makes
Anywho, if I'm talking to someone who's using an iPhone, and they put me on speakerphone, they might as well be sticking glass shards into my ear drums while doing an Urkel impersonation into a bullhorn (and not in a good way). So as pricey as the iHome may be at $199, if $299 meant even better fidelity all around, I'd be more apt to buy it. Actually, I'd be more apt to buy it at $300 because prices with "99"s on the end of it piss me off. Not that I'm looking to unload $300, but I'd rather pay $300 for something that sounds really good than $200 for something that sounds so-so.
09/02/09
Because Apple doesn't allow this
• Connect to the iPhone through a custom app (EQ display, etc)?
Apple only recently made this possible, I suspect the iP1 was too far along in development.
• Dial a number through its oversized remote?
Because Apple doesn't allow this
• Output video through HDMI instead of component?
One day... HDMI is not the simplest nor least expensive way to support HDTV hookup, and for content that isn't even HD, the benefits of the serial digital signal are less.
• Support A2DP audio streams (no dock needed)?
Because A2DP audio quality would sound even more like shit at 100 Watts.
• Floor me with sound quality?
Matter of taste here... sounds like many are floored given the segment and competition.
09/02/09
There are other products, ON THE MARKET, by IHOME, that support speakerphone through mic/speakers. They use Bluetooth to do so, yes, but don't give me this not allowed bullshit. Tell your employer to figure it out.
Development time toubles for a custom app? Not my problem, nor a consumer's.
Yes, HDMI is the simplest way to hook up an HDTV. It's one freggin' cord, dumbass. You could generate the signal through a converter, independent of the dock. This would help most consumers as HDMI is the de facto home theater standard.
A2DP audio shouldn't be included because it's not good enough? It's good enough for other iHome products (and a slew of em from more reputable manufacturers). The option for consumers to choose would be nice.
Sound quality can be a matter of taste...in high end systems. The iP1 isn't quite good enough to be beyond critique.
As for dialing a number through a remote, OK, you got me - maybe that's restricted. I honestly don't care enough to look it up at this point as I'm considering blackballing any corporation who plants commenters from review altogether.
09/04/09
FWIW, I stand by my comments above, as they are not meant to mislead at all, and they are based on my experience working on products around the iPod/iPhone platform, per se (...save for my one opinion on A2DP, which is neither controversial in audio circles, nor biased in favor of iHome).
I think it’s useful for readers to recognize that there are certain constraints placed on Apple-licensed accessory makers when implementing accessories for iPod and iPhone. A prime example is Bluetooth, which today is the only means to support Speakerphone or call controls on the iPhone (unless you count the headphone jack... but that gets messy too). The 30-pin is simply not an available option for phone audio or control for the foreseeable future. In addition, there are product marketing reasons (i.e. competitive positioning and product-economics) why Bluetooth for phone-calls and/or stereo audio are more/less appropriate on one SKU versus another. As you noted, consumers should be able to choose, and I argue that they can. They can consider one of the other products you speak of, and if they must have A2DP on a particular dock product, they can consider buying 3rd party BT receivers and using the AUX-input present on most speakerdocks.
As @Nick2 noted, HDMI has its cost/benefit challenges as well. Architecturally, product makers have to pick their battles. Many other docks fail to offer video at all... so that's something, right?
I too look forward to more devices that offer more convergence and stellar-execution. I hope that a negative sentiment wasn't coming across in this regard – I was fairly terse I admit. All in all, I thought the review portion of your original post was balanced and thorough. And again, that's just my personal opinion.
08/18/09
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08/18/09
what?
can you say that a little louder?
I can't hear what you said because I wore these headphones on sharing mode!
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06/15/09
I am an unabashed iPod hater, but this is gorgeous and genius.
06/16/09
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06/11/09
Me = fail today. :(
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06/11/09
Ye Gods Wilson, it's like you dove into my head and yanked out my thoughts.
06/11/09
I do it all the time.
05/07/09
But saying something doesn't sound as good as a NS-10 studio monitor isn't all that reassuring considering NS-10m's kind of sound like crap.
04/14/09
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Not that I have an opinion, mind you.
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12/04/08
Ay Caramba!
Enough with the "i"Everything already!
Anywho, if I'm talking to someone who's using an iPhone, and they put me on speakerphone, they might as well be sticking glass shards into my ear drums while doing an Urkel impersonation into a bullhorn (and not in a good way). So as pricey as the iHome may be at $199, if $299 meant even better fidelity all around, I'd be more apt to buy it. Actually, I'd be more apt to buy it at $300 because prices with "99"s on the end of it piss me off. Not that I'm looking to unload $300, but I'd rather pay $300 for something that sounds really good than $200 for something that sounds so-so.
12/04/08