So far I've seen the specs, the pictures, the reviews, and the insides. Now all I need is to try one out for myself. If I have a good experience from that, Apple will be getting my money.
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The i7 tech looks pretty impressive. I will most likely building a Windows 7 box with i7 as well.
@Razta: you have to push it fast. the faster you push it, the faster it goes. It's like doing the bonus stage in street fighter 2 with E-honda or Chun-li (or Blanka. but nobody picks Blanka.)
@Razta: In a lot of cases, yes. My 286 had a Turbo switch instead of a button, but it would double the speed of the CPU from 8MHz to 16MHz.
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Damnit! That's crazy! I have a family member considering a new iMac, and I've told them already to just ignore the Core2Duo options, because the gains from the i5 are so great, but I had no idea the i7's would make such a large performance boost. . . #imaccorei7benchmarks
@Identity (Metric): i'm on the edge of my chair everyday waiting for the i7's to finally ship I want mine so bad! 8 gigs of ram is going to be so much fun to work with haha #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: I *think* the answer is technically no, but more of a yes and no answer: Logic 9 supposedly offers better multi-core support, but is not yet optimized for Snow Leopard.
Since Logic does support multi-cores, and Logic SL support will only improve, if you're contemplating getting an iMac for Logic, I would definitely get an i5/i7.
@frigg: You bet your ass I'm upgrading soon! I have noticed that Logic Pro doesn't use all the cores in the G5 Quad. The latest version doesn't even run on a G5. The new iMac quad core configuration is actually more powerful than the G5 I have now, but I might wait till January to see what kind of beast is unleashed at the Mac Expo. #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: If you are looking at a Mac Pro to replace the G5, keep in mind Apple has just been ploping them out into the market whenever, instead of releasing them at events. Most likely the Mac Pros will move to the Gulftown Xeons, meaning 6 and 12 core (12 and 24 with hyperthreading) beast boxes. #imaci5speed
@johnnyabnormal: I feel you...I wonder how good an iMac would really be at replacing a tower for Logic, how much you'd miss in terms of extra drives, cards, etc., for all that all-in-one goodness.
On another note, if you record enable a track, Logic tends to limit multi-core processing on purpose as a way to reduce latency (single core processing currently produces less latency than distributed processing across multiple cores).
As far as compatibility, Logic 9 will actually run on a G5, even though Apple doesn't officially support it.
But the writing's on the wall, and a new Logic ad to encourage hardware upgrades is reportedly in production that ends with a loin-clothed wrapped Charleton Heston fleeing a pack of malicious, talking apes only to discover a giant G5 Quad sticking out of a post apocalyptic beach sometime in Earth's future, attempting to boot up the latest version of Logic, generating a spinning beach ball of death and, screaming "Damn you! Damn You To Hell!!" drops to his knees in utter despair.... replaced by a 3 second full screen picture of one of Apple's shiny new iMacs. So, you know, maybe that is the way to go? #imaci5speed
As far as the cores go, if it doesn't using an i7 would be bad news because they use HT (hyper thread) which means that each core is split in two (not literally) and if the application doesn't support multiple cores it will run even slower than it would on a C2D.
@frigg: I'm also tempted to just get a bunch of servers and hook up some fiber/raid goodness for the bazillion orchestral samples I have. Even better to get them in another room so I don't have to hear the drives. #imaci5speed
Wow, I am really looking forward to building my own PC. But that 27" iMac with the i7 chip is making it difficult. At $2200, it's very difficult to build what I want with a with a 27" back-lit LED LCD monitor for much cheaper than the iMac.
...It's the monitor that kills my PC build's price. There isn't much available for that size/quality for a reasonable amount of $$$.
Also, yeah, the PC is still cheaper, but not by much. And when you consider that I plan on Hackintosh'ing it up, the pain factor goes up by a rather large amount. Not having to worry about any updates would be a nice plus. Kinda makes the now much smaller price difference pretty negligible.
...this iMac has kinda killed the Apple-tax (except for Mac Pro's).
@newgalactic: Yeah a 27" LED Back-lit IPS panel would run you about 1500 on the cheap side; if it was available yet.
As a previous hardcore gamer/build my own pc type i have been perfectly satisfied with my last gen high end iMac with the 3.06, 4gb ram and 8800gts. I play aion on high, cant play crysis on high but meh. My old rig (and now media server) was a q6600, 4gb ram and twin 8800 gtx's.
The one thing i just couldnt beat in price--and why i didnt buy a mac pro at the time-- was the 24" ips panel built in, which just rocks for working on and is pretty fucking awesome for gaming.
@newgalactic: I'm almost in the seat beside in that boat. I'll admit these new macs are actually kinda fairly priced by Apple's standards. And I'm also wanting to build my own PC in the next few months from scratch. (Well I bought a new 24" monitor recently to hook up to my laptop for starters...) The only aesthetic part I don't like about the new imacs is the sharp corners on the black screen's edge, I think the rounded ones would've looked much better.
Still I think input/output ports are kinda limited overall on macs, and building me a PC seems it would be a much more convenient road. Coupled with the fact that I'm a PC guy and want to get my hands in building a PC means I'll going with option a) Building a computer. (New macs do honestly look tempting with the specs n' all, but Windows is better for me, and I don't respect Apple)
@newgalactic: You also have to take into consideration that the screens are IPS.
It really depend on what you want. You want the nice design? iMac. You want to not be stuck with your specs and update when you feel like it? Hackintosh #imaci5speed
@oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...: I'd say give it 20 years before that even begins to be feasible. It takes a lot more than just processing power to decode and code neurological information. We need to learn more about the brain, and the hardware would have to be able to adapt to each person's uniquely connected brain. #imaci5speed
@sqlrob: Well I'm thinking more theoretically. For example a drink brand like Coke is going to last a lot longer than a tech brand (or so I imagine, a lot of tech hasn't been around as long as Coke). #imaci5speed
Damn... I love me some multi-threaded 64 bit goodness, regardless of the OS or platform... Might be time to upgrade and turn the G5 tower into a closet server. #imaci5speed
@hfutrell: to explain myself a little more ... the G5 has 120-140 watts idle power usage ... more if you've installed more RAM or additional hard drives. Leave that thing on 24-7-365 and you're looking at paying an extra $130-150 per year in electricity bills (based on 12 cents per kilowatt hour). #imaci5speed
There was a really good short series on BBC I think a few weeks ago called 'Stephen Fry in America', in which he had a short interview with Johnathan Ive in the last episode. I recommend watching the series if you can, if not for that part then because it's an interesting narrative of America from a Brit's point of view, and Stephen Fry is a freaking genius. You know Hugh Laurie from House? He would be NOTHING without Stephen Fry. #jonathaniveobjectified
I found the little bit about the indicator light interesting, because I never really did see much value in all of the little lights lined up on a lot of other laptops, not even the HD access light. #jonathaniveobjectified
@Kaiser-Machead: Those lights drive me crazy. When I look at PC laptops, I see so much that does so little.
Apple has been hiding indicator lights for a while, but I first noticed this style of hiding an LED behind a metal bezel with micropores on one of the portables as part of the integrated iSight. I think it was the first intel MacBook Pro. #jonathaniveobjectified
@ludwigk: I believe it was the second revision of the MacBook Pro. The first had a standard led, flush-mounted in the bezel. I noticed because I had a first gen, and when the new one came out, I saw the actual led was hidden and thought "Holy smokes, that's brilliant." #jonathaniveobjectified
@ludwigk: The first mac I had with a hidden indicator light was a G3 iBook. Not the clam shell one, but the first all white one, it had a very cool indicator light hidden next to the display release button.
And my big problem with PCs in general is the feeling that they just sort of figured out how bit the product would be, surrounded it in plastic, and called it a day. If it even looks like they tried to design a part, then it has touches, and finishes that look like they'd appeal to 7 year old Joel, not 25 year old old. Like that HP laptop that was on here not too long ago, it was obviously "inspired" by the macbook pro, but then they put that weird circular pattern thing on some of the surfaces that just looked ridiculous. I mean don't they realize adults are their main market. I'm not discounting kids that get computers, but c'mon, why does it have to look like something out of a bad sci fi. #jonathaniveobjectified
@Mark Zegarelli: You could be right. I've got the 2nd gen sitting in front of me now, and whenever I use the isight, its a tiny spark of joy to see the status LED. #jonathaniveobjectified
@ludwigk: Oh, yah, fair enough, I have a macbook pro now, with the iSight light, and the first time I saw that, I was super confused, I thought "did I not notice the little black dot in my bezel before" so I closed out, and it just went back to looking like metal. And then I was really impressed... I still would like to know how they do that. #jonathaniveobjectified
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The i7 tech looks pretty impressive. I will most likely building a Windows 7 box with i7 as well.
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So the new feature is Turbo?
Meh. My old PC had Turbo. It's nice to see that the new iMacs can keep up with a 386/20 with 8MB of RAM.
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Did it actually do a damn thing other than light up a idiot light?
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Ultimate POWAH!
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Of course, I'm going to install 8 gigs of ram without paying Apple to do it. :) #imaci5speed
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Since Logic does support multi-cores, and Logic SL support will only improve, if you're contemplating getting an iMac for Logic, I would definitely get an i5/i7.
Looking to replace that G5 Quad? ;) #imaci5speed
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On another note, if you record enable a track, Logic tends to limit multi-core processing on purpose as a way to reduce latency (single core processing currently produces less latency than distributed processing across multiple cores).
As far as compatibility, Logic 9 will actually run on a G5, even though Apple doesn't officially support it.
But the writing's on the wall, and a new Logic ad to encourage hardware upgrades is reportedly in production that ends with a loin-clothed wrapped Charleton Heston fleeing a pack of malicious, talking apes only to discover a giant G5 Quad sticking out of a post apocalyptic beach sometime in Earth's future, attempting to boot up the latest version of Logic, generating a spinning beach ball of death and, screaming "Damn you! Damn You To Hell!!" drops to his knees in utter despair.... replaced by a 3 second full screen picture of one of Apple's shiny new iMacs. So, you know, maybe that is the way to go? #imaci5speed
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As far as the cores go, if it doesn't using an i7 would be bad news because they use HT (hyper thread) which means that each core is split in two (not literally) and if the application doesn't support multiple cores it will run even slower than it would on a C2D.
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...It's the monitor that kills my PC build's price. There isn't much available for that size/quality for a reasonable amount of $$$.
Also, yeah, the PC is still cheaper, but not by much. And when you consider that I plan on Hackintosh'ing it up, the pain factor goes up by a rather large amount. Not having to worry about any updates would be a nice plus. Kinda makes the now much smaller price difference pretty negligible.
...this iMac has kinda killed the Apple-tax (except for Mac Pro's).
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As a previous hardcore gamer/build my own pc type i have been perfectly satisfied with my last gen high end iMac with the 3.06, 4gb ram and 8800gts. I play aion on high, cant play crysis on high but meh. My old rig (and now media server) was a q6600, 4gb ram and twin 8800 gtx's.
The one thing i just couldnt beat in price--and why i didnt buy a mac pro at the time-- was the 24" ips panel built in, which just rocks for working on and is pretty fucking awesome for gaming.
Sorry for my lame rant. #imaci5speed
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Still I think input/output ports are kinda limited overall on macs, and building me a PC seems it would be a much more convenient road. Coupled with the fact that I'm a PC guy and want to get my hands in building a PC means I'll going with option a) Building a computer. (New macs do honestly look tempting with the specs n' all, but Windows is better for me, and I don't respect Apple)
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It really depend on what you want. You want the nice design? iMac. You want to not be stuck with your specs and update when you feel like it? Hackintosh #imaci5speed
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Moore's Law FTW. #imaci5speed
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Will the iMac brand still exist though? How long can a brand like this last? #imaci5speed
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"Whadda ya know! its working." #imaci5speed
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Nintendo is over 120 years old... #imaci5speed
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Its still impressive. #imaci5speed
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/Doesn't Care #imaci5speed
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Apple has been hiding indicator lights for a while, but I first noticed this style of hiding an LED behind a metal bezel with micropores on one of the portables as part of the integrated iSight. I think it was the first intel MacBook Pro. #jonathaniveobjectified
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And my big problem with PCs in general is the feeling that they just sort of figured out how bit the product would be, surrounded it in plastic, and called it a day. If it even looks like they tried to design a part, then it has touches, and finishes that look like they'd appeal to 7 year old Joel, not 25 year old old. Like that HP laptop that was on here not too long ago, it was obviously "inspired" by the macbook pro, but then they put that weird circular pattern thing on some of the surfaces that just looked ridiculous. I mean don't they realize adults are their main market. I'm not discounting kids that get computers, but c'mon, why does it have to look like something out of a bad sci fi. #jonathaniveobjectified
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