I read the article earlier today. Summary: "With superfast twitter and facebook and instant messages, who needs pokey-slow attachment-oriented email?" The answer is, of course, "Old people in Korea".
I would never count on any opinion or prognostication by the WSJ to have much value.
SMTP will live forever. Newsgroups were supposedly dead twenty years ago, too. The kicker for me was the sendup of sharepoint as a miraculous way for companies to decrease email traffic. Yeah, right.
I'm not sure how old Jessica is, but my guess is that she has never known a world without email. Jessica, dear, I can't wait to see you write the same article in 20 years, when email is still alive and well.
Oh, and by the way, X is still very much alive. I'm running an XServer and a bunch of XTerms right now. Love 'em.
...In other news, this same columnist also was quoted later that day. "Franks and Beans!"
Or less subtlely put, that person's retarded, in the freeflowing 1980's sense of the term.
Unless there's a new medium that is controllable by each originating organization, e-mail will not be replaced on an intra- or intercorporate level. Records are needed, responsibility of said records is needed, and if we assume that a cloud-like entity will absorb this traffic anytime in the short term, it would appear that Orwell had a coup that I missed out on.
First of all, if it's registration for websites and I may get spam in return, there's a decent chance that I'll randomly register with the email addy of a visitor to my site who has recently pissed me off.
Second, what's wrong with fax machines? Most of my stuff is PDF. But if I'm circulating a document that requires signatures from a variety of companies or firms, odds are, I'll fax it around. Everyone has it; everyone can read it.
@OMG! Ponies!: and don't forget your thriving spam fax business. i love finding out i can save hundreds on health insurance every time i need to send out a fax.
I love that The Wall Street Journal, an icon of a dying medium that was built upon reporting about the institution that caused the recession, has the gall to pronounce something as dead. Shouldn't they be reporting on their own demise?
@92BuickLeSabre: I think you're missing the part that, most of the times that you said "I'm still using X", what he actually was saying was "massive amounts of people are still using X"
By I, he literally meant "I," not "one" or "people." And so by "entrenchment" he meant that the speaker is uniquely entrenched, not the technology will survive because it is entrenched.
But for it to be truly ubiquitous—and it has to be in order to replace email—it can't be hosted by just one company.
Wave is open sourced and their IO presentation talked about it being easily hosted and modified on other servers (even making fun analogies to Office Space).
email will only be dead when there is either no one left to email, or nothing left to email with.
so if the WSJ is predicting a global mega-catastrophe, they might be on to something. but email is just mail done electronically, and mail hasn't died, and mail has been one of if not the principle purpose of written language since written language was invented.
whatever replaces email, if anything, will just be email by another name. i dont want to send voice mail or video mail to anyone - i enjoy taking the time to write a carefully thought out email. the other two options put me on the spot - i'm funny but i'm not fucking wayne brady, and yeah, sometime it takes me a few minutes to come up with something clever. the other thing is, some things are only clearly expressed in print - making an empirical argument to someone via voice is clearly an inferior cognitive vehicle. they can mishear you, or forget a nuance of what you said, one must speak quickly, which makes one prone to misspeaking, and it's infinitely more painful to rewind a recording than it is to move your eyes up a couple lines.
Edited by Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected at 10/12/09 3:27 PM
Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected was starred
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i throw off some shit on the spot, but if i'm trying to harp on at great length about something, weaving an ever more ludicrous tapestry of absurdity, there's a cadence that can be fine tuned for maximum effect.
it's the difference between live TV and a Hollywood film. you get as many takes as you want, and the shit ends up on the editing room floor.
Actually, faxes are pretty much dead, replaced by e-mail. I'm in an office setting and our use of the fax machine has to be down by 90% since we started attaching PDF scans to e-mails.
@Mess Yo Self!: actually, e-mail contributed to me failing a sociology class freshman year. because the servers were down or something i missed the invitation to a make up test and i have the date stamps to prove it, damn it.
Edited by Mike Zuniga: That was Unexpected at 10/12/09 3:19 PM
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I would never count on any opinion or prognostication by the WSJ to have much value.
SMTP will live forever. Newsgroups were supposedly dead twenty years ago, too. The kicker for me was the sendup of sharepoint as a miraculous way for companies to decrease email traffic. Yeah, right.
I'm not sure how old Jessica is, but my guess is that she has never known a world without email. Jessica, dear, I can't wait to see you write the same article in 20 years, when email is still alive and well.
Oh, and by the way, X is still very much alive. I'm running an XServer and a bunch of XTerms right now. Love 'em.
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Or less subtlely put, that person's retarded, in the freeflowing 1980's sense of the term.
Unless there's a new medium that is controllable by each originating organization, e-mail will not be replaced on an intra- or intercorporate level. Records are needed, responsibility of said records is needed, and if we assume that a cloud-like entity will absorb this traffic anytime in the short term, it would appear that Orwell had a coup that I missed out on.
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Second, what's wrong with fax machines? Most of my stuff is PDF. But if I'm circulating a document that requires signatures from a variety of companies or firms, odds are, I'll fax it around. Everyone has it; everyone can read it.
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(1) Not going to pull out the old argument of "X isn't dead, because I'm still using X!"
(2) People said X would be dead with Y (IM), but X isn't dead, because I'm still using X!"
(3) Other things may someday replace most of the functionality of X, but we will still use X, so X isn't dead!
(4) V (fax) isn't dead, because we are still using V! Therefore X isn't dead, because people still use X!
(5) I currently use X to sign up for Z, therefore X isn't dead, because I'm still using X!
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By I, he literally meant "I," not "one" or "people." And so by "entrenchment" he meant that the speaker is uniquely entrenched, not the technology will survive because it is entrenched.
Grazie!
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I don't do well without sarcasm tags sometimes....
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Wave is open sourced and their IO presentation talked about it being easily hosted and modified on other servers (even making fun analogies to Office Space).
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so if the WSJ is predicting a global mega-catastrophe, they might be on to something. but email is just mail done electronically, and mail hasn't died, and mail has been one of if not the principle purpose of written language since written language was invented.
whatever replaces email, if anything, will just be email by another name. i dont want to send voice mail or video mail to anyone - i enjoy taking the time to write a carefully thought out email. the other two options put me on the spot - i'm funny but i'm not fucking wayne brady, and yeah, sometime it takes me a few minutes to come up with something clever. the other thing is, some things are only clearly expressed in print - making an empirical argument to someone via voice is clearly an inferior cognitive vehicle. they can mishear you, or forget a nuance of what you said, one must speak quickly, which makes one prone to misspeaking, and it's infinitely more painful to rewind a recording than it is to move your eyes up a couple lines.
the WSJ is dead. maybe that's what they meant/
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i throw off some shit on the spot, but if i'm trying to harp on at great length about something, weaving an ever more ludicrous tapestry of absurdity, there's a cadence that can be fine tuned for maximum effect.
it's the difference between live TV and a Hollywood film. you get as many takes as you want, and the shit ends up on the editing room floor.
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