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    Image of Jedo10 Jedo10
    12/04/09

    In reply to Pre-Release Intel Core i9 Chip Hits eBay for $1,200
    I can't wait till they come out with the i11.

    ".... but it goes to 11"
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Pre-Release Intel Core i9 Chip Hits eBay for $1,200
    Yes but will it be usable with any hardware currently on the market?
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Pre-Release Intel Core i9 Chip Hits eBay for $1,200
    Clicking through to the photos on eBay shows Task Manager up on the Performance tab with 24 virtual cores.

    omfgwtfbbqepicwinwant!!!!!!!
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/04/09

    In reply to Pre-Release Intel Core i9 Chip Hits eBay for $1,200
    Seems kind of pricey for a chip from Taiwan with no warranty of any kind at all and no guarantee it works other than the seller's word.
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    Image of JTX JTX
    12/04/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Are you kidding me? It's an Intel chip. Pre-order now and you save $300 off the release price.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/04/09

    @JTX: Haha, sorry. I did forget. The sad thing is you're probably right.
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    Image of Rorouni Rorouni
    12/04/09

    In reply to Pre-Release Intel Core i9 Chip Hits eBay for $1,200
    Completely unnecessary... There is no commercial need for 6 cores...
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/04/09

    @Rorouni: Yet.
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    Image of RT100=tg14 RT100=tg14
    12/04/09

    @Rorouni: 30 years ago, they said there was no need for hard drives any bigger than 100 MB.

    now go back under your bridge
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    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/03/09

    In reply to Intel Developing App Store for Netbooks
    Is this whole app store thing doomed to fail?

    It seems like we're getting so many its a step back not a step forward.
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    12/03/09

    @tande04: I'm waiting to see if the porn industry gets into it. They could launch one and call it the fapp store..
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    Image of tande04 tande04
    12/03/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: They've got one for android.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Intel Developing App Store for Netbooks
    Great plan. Except for the niggling little fact that Moblin kinda sucks. It's completely counterintuitive to the average person who has spent two decades on Windows and/or Mac systems.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to The FTC Still Wants to Slay the Intel Monopoly Monster
    And it still sucks that Netbooks with ION processors have to cost more because of the fact that "standalone" Atom procs cost significantly more than the full integrated versions. I hope Intel gets a big swift kick in the ass so this sort of thing can change for the better.
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    Image of Panzer23 Panzer23
    12/03/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: With you there my friend.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    12/03/09

    In reply to The FTC Still Wants to Slay the Intel Monopoly Monster
    Is it just me or does it seem that every time the FTC gets around to stepping on a monopoly they are usually about half a decade late? Just curious.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/03/09

    @Monty: Cases take a while to build. I wish they could step in earlier, but by the time they have enough to mount a case, it's 5-10 years too late.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/02/09

    In reply to Intel Demonstrates Programmable 48-Core Chip
    "The machine will be able of understanding the world around them much as humans do," Rattner said. "They will see and hear and probably speak and do a number of other things that resemble humanlike capabilities, and will demand as a result very (powerful) computing capability."

    Clearly Intel's Chief Technology Officer Justin Rattner is operating far below his regular operating speed.

    or, in layman speak: he's RETARDED.
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    12/02/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Yes, I agree. I would add that monkeys would sooner fly out of my butt before what Rattner said would happen.
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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/02/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Are you guys serious?

    He is not joking here or being stupid. Look at recent research into vision, speech synthesis, and other such things. One of the primary reasons we have not been good at this with single core processors is because they do not behave the way neurons do, and to program them to do so requires enormous processing power.

    Using multiple cores allows for more flexible software which is more error prone, but leads to far more natural results. Note the earlier Gizmodo article about the competitors with the Blue Brain project and their approach to machine intelligence.

    Or the recent research done on bees, showing that they have far more complex vision capabilities than we thought, in a brain which has vastly fewer neuronal connections than we thought were necessary for such complex vision.

    Have some imagination and do some research, this guy wasn't just talking out of his ass. He is the CTO of Intel FFS, sure he may exaggerate for effect, but he isn't just making stuff up.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/02/09

    @The5thElephant: The Blue Brain project is NOTHING like any sort of intelligence. That guy who claimed to have duplicated a cat brain? Was totally debunked by genuine intelligence researchers. No one is even sure if simple intelligence can even be duplicated by any number of parallel connections.

    This person is absolutely talking out of his ass in order to market a brand. Exaggeration is a form of lying, but especially on this scale. See the following statements:

    1) "according to current theories we will eventually be able to duplicate intelligence in some form. Although we're not quite sure how, or what form that intelligence will take".

    2) "THINKING MACHINES ARE HERE, NOW. THEY NEED CHIPS. BUY OUR CHIPS".
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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/02/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Um, read my post?

    I said the "competitors" with the Blue Brain project, not the cat-brain people. There was another article recently about research into super-efficient low-accuracy processing done by multiple cores, which emulates the way the brain works instead of attempting to rigidly simulate it as the Blue Brain project is doing. I'm talking about them.

    The first statement you quote is accurate. As far as we know there is nothing special about the brain besides its complexity and structure. There is no magic going on in there. So there is no reason to believe we won't be able to recreate it eventually.

    Also see my point about research into bee brains. They have very complex behavior and vision, yet they have vastly simpler brains than we expected for such behavior.

    I'm not saying the machines we make will be "thinking" machines, but they will be expert vision/audio/whatever systems which come far closer to emulating our expert-systems. Our brains are really big and complex primarily because we have a big and complex body. For example whales have ginormous brains with crazy more neurons than we do, but this is because they need far stronger signals to control their massive muscles and bodies (also the pressure they go under may make neurons less accurate, so with more neurons the accuracy is increased on average, just like the earlier article I was talking about mentioned).

    We already have facial recognition, gait recognition, color, shape, etc. We just haven't combined them all into a coherent system yet.

    Where does he say the second thing?
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/02/09

    @The5thElephant: Yeah I read your post. There's nothing in what I wrote that misapprehends you in any friggin way. You're just trying to be a douche. The cat brain people were just a different example of the same science, one that I happen to have read about.

    And look: As far as we know there is nothing special about the brain besides its complexity and structure.

    The "as far as we know" means very little in the realm of pure scientific thought. Until the actual device of something is understood fully, the entire project remains purely theoretical. But not a theory like gravity is a "theory", there really IS no concrete, operative theory of consciousness beyond "oh we'll just slap a trillion connections together and POOTYPOOFMAGICPOOT you'll get a mind".

    If you're so into these fields, you should understand why saying things like "So there is no reason to believe we won't be able to recreate it eventually" is not sensible. There's no telling what barriers lie between the current science and that eventual outcome. Considering that most genuinely credible artificial intelligence researchers put us still at the infancy of knowledge regarding the functions, structures and operations of biological consciousness, it's just silly to say we're almost there. It's reductive and disrespectful to both science and the human mind. I'm sure eventually we'll get there, but that's most likely in decades, or more likely in hundreds of years.

    But do you know who DOES say "we're at the threshold of new consciousness"? Who says it all the time, constantly, for profit, like a vain, pernicious cancer of thought? FUTURISTS. Futurists who write books, futurists who have vested interests in the marketing of technology, futurists who maybe work for high tech companies and are paid to be futurists and given titles like "officer", which somehow gives them the right to say infuriatingly silly things about fascinating topics.
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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/03/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Yikes, someone is a bit sensitive. Maybe I douched too hard.

    The cat brain thing is not the same science. The cat brain thing is drastically different from both the Blue Brain project and the third project I was talking about. There even was a post about how they aren't the same.

    There actually are a number of strong hypotheses about consciousness, but you are correct that we cannot yet fully test them. However I am not a spiritual or mystical person, so I see no reason why the brain, of all things in this universe, would be somehow of a different nature that completely impedes us from replicating it.

    Yes I know we can't do it now, but I'm not throwing out exact year predictions.

    Also, I am talking about expert vision and audio systems, not conscious minds. If you claim to have read on this topic (a claim of mine as well), you should know that expert systems are quite different from conscious systems, despite having complex capabilities that many people think are only possible in conscious systems.

    For example the program that recently almost passed the Turing Test, it was an expert system and definitely not conscious.

    Furthermore even consciousness doesn't necessarily require vast complexity: [bit.ly]
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    Image of yantelope yantelope
    12/02/09

    In reply to Intel Demonstrates Programmable 48-Core Chip
    This is nice and all that but parallelism hasn't been the problem facing chips it's the speed barrier. CPUs are really stalling in terms of accelerating today applications and software programming has been struggling to adapt to multi-threaded applications. I've even seen benchmarks where having too many cores can slow down performance.
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    12/02/09

    @yantelope: The whole reason most CPU manufacturers are pursuing multi core CPU's is basically because upping the speed further dramatically increases heat dissipation. Going even faster isn't practically possible.

    The main issue with using multiple cores is that software has to be adapted to use those extra cores. This is either the programmers task or the compiler has to do this, but I think that adapting to multi core hardware is the real challenge for computing. Cramming more cores in, clearly is not a problem.
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    12/02/09

    @spafles: Right, but there are supposedly technologies forthcoming to deal with the head dissipaiton problems and those would be more exciting to me than the multiple core chips. It seems like high end games and application are stalling in ways that they haven't in some time. It's kind of amazing that after 2 years we still can't run Crysis at 100 FPS.
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    12/02/09

    @yantelope: As far as I know, games depend more on GPU than CPU.
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    12/02/09

    In reply to Intel Demonstrates Programmable 48-Core Chip
    Dammit. After seeing that picture now I want Triscuts..
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    Image of Monty Monty
    12/02/09

    In reply to Intel Demonstrates Programmable 48-Core Chip
    The machine will be able of understanding the world around them much as humans do

    Clearly I am a few cores short in my processing unit because I certainly do not understand that statement at all. Who knew that the answer to artificial intelligence was just a matter of having a whole lot of cores on a processor. Here I was thinking that software might be involved. Stupid me.
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    Image of BobotheTeddy BobotheTeddy
    12/02/09

    @Monty: As long as it takes 147,456 processors to "outthink" a cat ([gizmodo.com]) i dont´t think 48 cores can handle "humanlike capabilities"
    … Software or not.
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    12/02/09

    @Monty:
    SCC = Single-Chip Cloud Computing
    SCC = ScareCrow Computing (If I only had a brain... ♪♫♪♫♪♫)
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    Image of Monty Monty
    12/02/09

    @BobotheTeddy: Hey, only 147,408 cores to go! Hang in there, Intel - you will create a product smarter than a cat any millennium now.
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    Image of Slinkytech Slinkytech
    12/01/09

    In reply to MacBook Pro Core i5 and Core i7 Processors Rumored to Arrive in January
    But no usb 3.0...weak sauce.
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    Image of The5thElephant The5thElephant
    12/01/09

    In reply to MacBook Pro Core i5 and Core i7 Processors Rumored to Arrive in January
    i5 on 15", i7 on 17".

    You just know Jobs is going to smirk after saying that on stage.

    PS - I'm getting that i7 on 17" MacBook Pro, or else.
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