I'm perplexed at the lack of rechargeable BT mice. I have an MX900 (I've worn out the left button) and an MS mouse with terrible ergonomics and built quality. Still, very few rechargeable BT mice. #magicmouse
@Lizard_King: So you buy a new iMac, absolute perfection in simplicity, to have a recharging dock for your mouse cluttering up your desk, and taking up another plug on your power strip? I'll swap out some AA batteries if it keeps my desk clear. #magicmouse
@suckerpin: Id rather not use disposable batteries if I can, even if it means my deskspace does not fit Mr. Jobs' or Mr. Ive's aesthetic approval.
Honestly, I need a new mouse, the MS one blows, and I'll probably get a Magic Mouse. I would have preferred rechargeable, and if given a good option (like the elusive Revolution MX BT) I'd take that. I hate proprietary dongles for mice, I'm sold on BT. #magicmouse
@Lizard_King: i have a feeling it has to do with it already costs $70, adding some fancy pants rechargeable batteries would bump the mouse from a hardly reasonable price to a ridiculously insane price. #magicmouse
@AEchinoderm: yeah, I do. I like recharging batteries in the devices. Honestly, I've been trying to buy gadgets that charge over USB just to eliminate the need to keep track of where specific chargers are - I have 2 for my camera because I'm always misplacing one, but I always have a few USB cords laying around. This is the same reason I prefer the rechargeable pack in the 360 controllers to individual batteries. Camera companies seem to not like recharging over USB for some reason though. Less bulk for the notebook bag too.
I don't think it would have ruined the aesthetic shape of this device to add a micro USB port to charge batteries internally, but I agree that it probably would have driven the price into the stupid range - and though I would certainly pay it, I do understand I'm in the minority.
My comment was more of a notice that there are so few rechargeable BT mice, not so much that this would be a dealbreaker. There are a metric assload of rechargeable RF mice, just so few are BT. I would think that Apple would embrace this. If the batteries last 4 months, great, but from my experience, claims of the like for mice have been far exaggerated (I get about a week from my MX900 if I leave it off the dock). #magicmouse
@Lizard_King: "Honestly, I've been trying to buy gadgets that charge over USB"
Kind of like wired mice.
Anything that would plug into a USB wouldn't be BT. Why would it? BT eliminates the need for cords, or USB dongles. That's the principle behind BT. When you add something like that it becomes a hassle. Besides, how would it work? If you plug it in directly to the computer, you can't use it. Use a wire and its a wired mouse. #magicmouse
@ebeckert: Wired mice don't charge over USB, they use the USB for data.
How would it work? Use the mouse wirelessly. When you need to charge, plug into a USB port and use like a wired mouse, or just plug it into a USB port (or portable battery) when not using the mouse, kinda like docking it. Not an option you would use when using standard batteries, so you can remain purely wireless.
I guess if Apple doesn't make a rechargeable mouse, it isn't worth making. Blind fanboyism is dumb. #magicmouse
@Lizard_King: sorry, but you guys know that you can get rechargeable AA batteries on the market since ages.
i also would bet a dollar for a dime that everyone who complains now about the AA batteries would have complained when the batteries wouldn't be replacable at all.
@krom: Read above. I acknowledged rechargable cells. I have two mice now with rechargeable cells, no compalints about them. You would have lost the bet with me - everything is replaceable.
My desire for rechargeable cells mainly is for traveling. I take the mouse, I have to take extra batteries. Maybe a wall recharger if I don't want to use disposables and/or don't know the condition of the charge of the cells. It's extra bulk and extra stuff to lose/ leave in the hotel. I've left behind USB cords too... not too pricey to replace.
I guess that's why I'm using a MS mouse and a Logitech mouse now on my macbook.... I just wanted more simplicity. Mouse + 1 cord = Simple. Mouse + 2 batteries + charger = not so simple - honestly, I would use disposable cells instead.
@modernape: USBcells are shitty.... best solution if I HAVE to use this mouse. I probably will get this just for home, leave the MS 8000 for traveling. #magicmouse
@Lizard_King: I see your point, it's the kind of thing that bugs me to, but I've tweaked how I deal with rechargeables and I like my approach (and the removable, standard battery in this mouse). Maybe this works for you, or maybe one day it will.
I started avoiding devices with custom battery packs, and now I've got one charger, and more than enough rechargeable batteries to go around. Most are the low discharge types that hold a charge a long time, and I've got a set of standard batteries for cameras and such. It was a little bit of an upfront cost, but not much, and as I've been adding devices I add another few batteries as I go.
End result? I always have 4 to 8 fully charged, they're all in the same drawer in my kitchen (near the charger) and I'm not tethered to proprietary batteries should any of them go kaputt. I'm not even tied to a specific manufacturer. All my remotes, controllers, and devices except the cell phone, and only one charger.
Still a work in progress, mind you, but I'm liking it so far. #magicmouse
@Doggabone: Yeah, it is an option. I leave shit everywhere though. I am actually closer to having no AA's in anything, save the remote and GPS. Most of my other rechargeable electronics are not available in AA form (phone, camera, mp3 player, motorcycle intercoms, etc). I've tried the option before.
I don't have a problem with a device relying on AAs, just put a port for charging if you happen to use NiMH cells. You get your choice, doesn't cost a ton in development or production, you don't even have to include a cord. Makes things simple all around.
Honestly, this is the first time Apple has released a mouse i'm interested in, well, forever. For me, it's 'this close' to perfect, on paper - I just gotta get some time on one and see how the button clicks feel before spending the money. If this mouse is a success, I'm sure a rechargeable one will be around the corner. #magicmouse
Still ergonomically crap. The Logitech MX Revolution is a better mouse than that if only purely for the awesome scroll wheel. It would have made more sense for Apple to have just made a nice big extension to the keyboard on the right hand side that would be a touchpad, that makes more sense. How many fingers am I really going to use for multitouch on a mouse when I have my thumb and pinky resting on the sides of the mouse (if not my ring finger as well, depending on how I grip my mouse)? #magicmouse
@kevinl: No, he's describing exactly what happened in the video. It's a nice way to give yourself carpal tunnel since you now have to bend your wrist to do anything. #magicmouse
@spannu: You realize that carpal tunnel isn't caused by "wrist bending", right?
It's a repetitive stress injury.
So by forcing your hand to do more than just grip the sides and move repeatedly in a very limited range (to click & scroll, your hand is basically always in the same position), you're actually reducing the chances of giving yourself carpal tunnel. #magicmouse
@redbearded: The issue isn't that you have to grip the mouse like a hockey puck (which, while ugly, has obvious advantages), it's that you have to use only half of your fingers to make awkward movements. It's like trying to play the piano without being able to stretch your fingers to hit keys at farther distances.
@DPeezy: Repeated gripping and hand manipulation in which the palm and wrist flex is exactly the stress that people consider with carpal tunnel (aside from someone smashing your carpals with a bat). This mouse only exacerbates the problem of other twitch movements since you have to do it more often. If there's any argument against the mouse causing damage, it'd be the fact that no studies have found real correlation between hand cramps and carpal tunnel. #magicmouse
@spannu: I guess maybe we're picturing a different usage model with the mouse.
I'm looking at this and seeing a wider range of possible hand/finger movements compared to a 'normal' mouse and thus equating that to a decreased chance of CTS (for example, the side-to-side finger swipe is a non-existent motion with regular mice).
Of course, CTS is such a grey area as it is (not to mention that it contains a large genetic component), I'm sure both of our definitions are workable and just as likely. #magicmouse
If it solves my carpel tunnel syndrome from mouse usage, then I'm sold. Otherwise, I like to see the buttons I'm pushing, not some amorphous "area" where the left and right buttons are. #magicmouse
Another Apple mouse that looks nice but comes with issues you should not have to put up with in a mouse. "the mouse would sometimes move when I tried to scroll — I can maybe get used to this"... why try to get used to it? Do you really want to use an Apple mouse that badly? For a prank, I suppose you could get the Magic Mouse instead of the USB Prankster ([www.switched.com]).
Really, when is Apple going to design a mouse people can use? This sounds almost as bad as their hockey puck. #magicmouse
So, it's $2 to use 1 finger, $4 to use 2 fingers, $5 for 3 fingers, $6 for 1 finger while you go forward, $7 for 1 finger while I go backward, and $9 for MY 3 fingers while YOU go forward and I go backward? This is all so confusing. #magicmouse
@Scratic: Given what just happened with the Sidekick, I don't think anybody wants to associate their electronics products with Danger right now. #magicmouse
I wonder if the multitouch will work on pc's, if you can right click AND left click at the same time, and how it will work on a pc with boot camp, or windows virtual machiene. #magicmouse
@KTK1990: If they do give out Windows drivers for this thing, I'd dish out those $60 in a heartbeat. As soon as I get $60 anyways. My old laptop had a multitouch touchpad, so I'm sad every time I try scrolling down using two fingers on my new netbook and realizing I can't. #magicmouse
@Reyn Yonashiro: Apple tech said it will work with windows. Here is what they said.
Apple: I do apologize but the left click and right click will not work at the same time on the new Magic Mouse.
Me: and the gestures will work in Windows?
Apple: Yes it will. #magicmouse
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I'm perplexed at the lack of rechargeable BT mice. I have an MX900 (I've worn out the left button) and an MS mouse with terrible ergonomics and built quality. Still, very few rechargeable BT mice. #magicmouse
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Honestly, I need a new mouse, the MS one blows, and I'll probably get a Magic Mouse. I would have preferred rechargeable, and if given a good option (like the elusive Revolution MX BT) I'd take that. I hate proprietary dongles for mice, I'm sold on BT. #magicmouse
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You do know they make rechargeable AA-size batteries, don't you? #magicmouse
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I don't think it would have ruined the aesthetic shape of this device to add a micro USB port to charge batteries internally, but I agree that it probably would have driven the price into the stupid range - and though I would certainly pay it, I do understand I'm in the minority.
My comment was more of a notice that there are so few rechargeable BT mice, not so much that this would be a dealbreaker. There are a metric assload of rechargeable RF mice, just so few are BT. I would think that Apple would embrace this. If the batteries last 4 months, great, but from my experience, claims of the like for mice have been far exaggerated (I get about a week from my MX900 if I leave it off the dock). #magicmouse
10/20/09
Kind of like wired mice.
Anything that would plug into a USB wouldn't be BT. Why would it? BT eliminates the need for cords, or USB dongles. That's the principle behind BT. When you add something like that it becomes a hassle. Besides, how would it work? If you plug it in directly to the computer, you can't use it. Use a wire and its a wired mouse. #magicmouse
10/20/09
How would it work? Use the mouse wirelessly. When you need to charge, plug into a USB port and use like a wired mouse, or just plug it into a USB port (or portable battery) when not using the mouse, kinda like docking it. Not an option you would use when using standard batteries, so you can remain purely wireless.
I guess if Apple doesn't make a rechargeable mouse, it isn't worth making. Blind fanboyism is dumb. #magicmouse
10/21/09
i also would bet a dollar for a dime that everyone who complains now about the AA batteries would have complained when the batteries wouldn't be replacable at all.
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My desire for rechargeable cells mainly is for traveling. I take the mouse, I have to take extra batteries. Maybe a wall recharger if I don't want to use disposables and/or don't know the condition of the charge of the cells. It's extra bulk and extra stuff to lose/ leave in the hotel. I've left behind USB cords too... not too pricey to replace.
I guess that's why I'm using a MS mouse and a Logitech mouse now on my macbook.... I just wanted more simplicity. Mouse + 1 cord = Simple. Mouse + 2 batteries + charger = not so simple - honestly, I would use disposable cells instead.
@modernape: USBcells are shitty.... best solution if I HAVE to use this mouse. I probably will get this just for home, leave the MS 8000 for traveling. #magicmouse
10/21/09
I started avoiding devices with custom battery packs, and now I've got one charger, and more than enough rechargeable batteries to go around. Most are the low discharge types that hold a charge a long time, and I've got a set of standard batteries for cameras and such. It was a little bit of an upfront cost, but not much, and as I've been adding devices I add another few batteries as I go.
End result? I always have 4 to 8 fully charged, they're all in the same drawer in my kitchen (near the charger) and I'm not tethered to proprietary batteries should any of them go kaputt. I'm not even tied to a specific manufacturer. All my remotes, controllers, and devices except the cell phone, and only one charger.
Still a work in progress, mind you, but I'm liking it so far. #magicmouse
10/21/09
I don't have a problem with a device relying on AAs, just put a port for charging if you happen to use NiMH cells. You get your choice, doesn't cost a ton in development or production, you don't even have to include a cord. Makes things simple all around.
Honestly, this is the first time Apple has released a mouse i'm interested in, well, forever. For me, it's 'this close' to perfect, on paper - I just gotta get some time on one and see how the button clicks feel before spending the money. If this mouse is a success, I'm sure a rechargeable one will be around the corner. #magicmouse
10/21/09
"I'll swap out some AA batteries if it keeps my desk clear."
You basically just said:
"I would rather keep my desk surface clear, even if it means dumping some extra toxic chemicals into the environment." #magicmouse
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@Sir Gibler: look into my eye. that gallery was put up after my post, bozo. #magicmouse
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And the Macbooks still have removable batteries, it just depends on how badly you want to remove them. #magicmouse
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It's a repetitive stress injury.
So by forcing your hand to do more than just grip the sides and move repeatedly in a very limited range (to click & scroll, your hand is basically always in the same position), you're actually reducing the chances of giving yourself carpal tunnel. #magicmouse
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@DPeezy: Repeated gripping and hand manipulation in which the palm and wrist flex is exactly the stress that people consider with carpal tunnel (aside from someone smashing your carpals with a bat). This mouse only exacerbates the problem of other twitch movements since you have to do it more often. If there's any argument against the mouse causing damage, it'd be the fact that no studies have found real correlation between hand cramps and carpal tunnel. #magicmouse
10/20/09
I'm looking at this and seeing a wider range of possible hand/finger movements compared to a 'normal' mouse and thus equating that to a decreased chance of CTS (for example, the side-to-side finger swipe is a non-existent motion with regular mice).
Of course, CTS is such a grey area as it is (not to mention that it contains a large genetic component), I'm sure both of our definitions are workable and just as likely. #magicmouse
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Really, when is Apple going to design a mouse people can use? This sounds almost as bad as their hockey puck. #magicmouse
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The good name for this was staring them right in the face and they blew it. #magicmouse
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Apple: I do apologize but the left click and right click will not work at the same time on the new Magic Mouse.
Me: and the gestures will work in Windows?
Apple: Yes it will. #magicmouse