Seeing two Motorola phones in the "best phones" article makes me feel like I'm in a time warp. I'm glad they're back, they make great quality handsets.
@Mr_Human: Yeah they fell apart, just less frequently than any other phone of that RAZR era. I mean, cast metal hinges, glass screens and laser cut metal keypads. What was made better than that, at the time? Not that Kyocera or LG crap. Possibly Sony Ericsson, they were good. I'd be happy to see them make a comeback as well.
@tande04: make a list of those inferior ways, please. if you are goint to drop a dump like that - back it up. Ah, and a .2" smaller screen dosnt count.
@tande04: That's not really true. The Cliq is equal or better than the G1 in every way. The only way I could see an argument for it being lacking is that so far, as far as I've heard, there's been no luck at getting root on it. That's really just a matter of time, though, and it honestly took a while on the G1 as well.
@Badongadoodle: I'll offer some input if you promise to never use the phrase "back up that dump" again. ;-)
The CLIQ (last I checked) was running Android 1.5, which means it's already a generation behind. It also disqualifies it from the GPS app. Additionally, the MOTOBLUR interface is a questionable advantage at best. From what I've seen, the Facebook/Twitter integration gadgets are less than stellar and only provide a chaotic view of your network.
I don't think the G1 is head and shoulders above the CLIQ....but I do think it has a little more dignity. If nothing else because it gets the Google Experience branding instead of MOTOBLUR. Sense and Rachael were good improvements on top of Android. I'm less than convinced that MOTOBLUR has such an advantage.
@Badongadoodle: I'll defer to OCEntertainment here and go further and point out just general build qualities. If Moto put out the best they have with the droid then the cliq is certainly the worst. Every review of motoblur has been less than stellar. The widgets add little but sluggishness. The cliq may have more memory but you lose most of it just with blur (not to mention battery life, which on the g1 has been pretty damn good since 1.6).
Then there are other advantages that are debatable but often pointed out.
5 row QWERTY
Dedicated call keys
Secondary pointing device
So the real question would be what does the cliq have that the G1 doesn't?
5.0 camera which is always a debatable inclusion.
Really though I wasn't really trying to say that the G1 is out and out better. Regardless of any other argument I'd say that everyone agreed that the G1 was a flagship phone for t-mobile. I'm amazed if anyone could really say the same for the cliq. Hell even t-mobile still pimps the MyTouch more then they market the cliq.
After having owned an iPhone and now owning a Droid, I'd have to say no to the iphone having the best user interface. If for nothing else than the beautiful shade.
@anexanhume: As an owner of a G1, I'd agree with you. Also, the fact that the android marketplace isn't ruled over with an iron fist means that we get apps like SNESoid/Gameboid that will never be available on the App Store.
This thread is going to become a total flame fest. Oh well. I have to say. You shouldn't count jailbreaking as a feature. You should weigh the merits out of the box. As far as the iPhone, you shouldn't have to jailbreak or hack a phone to gain functionality.
Everyone has their needs but I have to say, after my real world usage, it's, at the very least, a dead heat between the Droid and the iPhone.
After 3 weeks with the Droid I don't miss my iPhone AT ALL. My only plan for my iPhone is to unlock it and use a prepaid sim when I travel overseas (I'm pretty sure that's possible, if not I'm not too worried).
WTF? ... a jailbroken iPhone on Tmo? Oh well. TMo coverage is trash anyway.
@DustyButtâ„¢: I have a MT3G on Tmobile, and have no problems with coverage in the Chicago area, but I take it you're referring to nationwide coverage. I guess that's true. The fact that I got my phone, which is useable, but not the best, for $40 when I wasn't even eligible for an upgrade softens the blow a bit.
Honestly the CLIQ seems almost highway robbery at $100, compared with all the other Android phones out there. The more I see of the CLIQ, the less I like it. For myself, I can't stant the iPhone and I'd call an unlocked iPhone the best on T-Mo, if the CLIQ is its competition. The fact that it has 3G powers doesn't overshoot what the iPhone can do. Caveat: if the CLIQ is running Android 1.6, and thus qualifies for the new Maps app, then...maybe.
@OCEntertainment: T-Mobile's phone prices should always be followed by a *. Side by side the $200 Cliq looks [LUDA]crous next to the $150 Droid, but the phone is more expensive because the plans are so much cheaper. On Verizon an equivalent all-you-can-eat plan costs about $40 more per month.
@fryhole: Well, the CLIQ is actually $100 at the linked Wal-Mart site (if you don't mind dealing with the devil ;-)). But your point is well-taken.
The thing to consider, though, is network quality. I've been pretty happy on T-Mobile for the most part. I don't get that great 3G reception in my house, but my building can account for a lot of that. When I travel Atlanta, I get pretty good 3G reception most of the time.
However back when I was on Verizon and I took a trip around the U.S, I managed to get cell reception from underneath the Rocky Mountains. I traveled around 20 or 30 states, most of them drive-through states. I never lost reception. This may not be a typical need, but if you do a lot of traveling, or if you don't live in a (sub)urban area, that extra money may be more than worth it.
@OCEntertainment: There's no arguing with Verizon's network (please stop trying AT&T). I too am a former red head, but left after they just wouldn't get any phones I could stomach carrying. Of course, back then, you could buy European phones and have them work just the same as US phones on the T-mo network.
And if you think you have network beef with T-Mobile, try going to college in Iowa where local wireless provider (read:shittastly awful) Iowa Wireless provides all of the T-Mobile service in rural areas. Sprint and Verizon both have 3G here, but what does i-wireless have? Edge. Sometimes. Ahhh Iowa...how frontwards you are with technology.
This (pricing games) is just dumb. Yes, many people will be convinced by saving $100 dollars at purchase time, but if they really wanted to be competitive they'd lower their monthly rates. Considering how often I use WiFi, I'd gladly take a capped data plan if it saved $10-15/mo., and that would definitely save more than $100 over the course of the contract.
Even I would have a hard time mentally justifying dropping $500 for an iPhone after getting used to $200-300, but even that would be cheaper than paying back the subsidy. #998gbiphone3gs
@anonymousmonk: the issue here isn't that Apple wants to be competitive. Their device alone is more than competitive.
I think that if this happens, it will most likely be due to something else altogether - lemme esplain. No... there's no time. let me sum up: by now, it's probably reaching a point where it's easier and cheaper for Apple to manufacture all of their iPhone models with the same guts (just adding in different storage capacities). They've probably come close to using up their previously-ordered stock of older components that go into the building of the original 3G, and it's probably cheaper now for them to just order all identical parts from their suppliers, and build one model of iPhone - even if it means slightly increased build costs per unit. It'd still be more profitable for them to do things that way.
So really, I doubt that it's a question of seeking to be competitive with other new phones in the same price range... In my opinion, they probably even would have released an 8GB 3GS from the start if they didn't have all the leftover stock of parts for the regular 3G. But leaving the 8GB model as a regular 3G allowed them to cycle through older inventory. Now that they've accomplished that, however, it's just easier for them to offer the same model across the board. It's just a happy side effect for both them and us that it ends up meaning better hardware for cheaper. #998gbiphone3gs
If Apple could only say "Fuck AT&T" and release the iPhone (for the same price) factory unlocked, and to work with additional frequencies, the world would be a happier place.
@RT100: AT&T's service has nothing to do with them being GSM. That's the saddest part - GSM is a dirty word in the US, whereas the rest of the world thinks CDMA is a joke. In Canada, our CDMA carriers just transitioned to 3G/4G to finally abandon CDMA - and now every carrier offers the iPhone.
Verizon will as well, as 4G phones become common. In fact, you can bet who Apple will be going with when their 4G iPhone is released. #998gbiphone3gs
@mmmiles: I'm well aware of the differences between CDMA and GSM. Just because the rest of the world uses it doesn't make it better. Japan actually uses CDMA as well.
What I'm saying is that is costs millions and millions of dollars to put up an infrastructure of a cell phone network. Verizon Wireless and Sprint-Nextel have spent so much freakin money putting up CDMA towers everywhere that they're not just going to drop it on a dime.
4G is a different story, Verizon is going with the GSM crowd with LTE
Sprint is going in their own direction (again) and spending "3 billion dollars" upgrading from CDMA to WiMAX. [en.wikipedia.org]
Fact is, that there are different standards and they're both gonna be around for awhile. CDMA works better over long distances, like in the boonies in the USA. GSM is more flexible (SIM switching, etc.) but has shorter range, so it's better for more heavily populated areas, like European countries. #998gbiphone3gs
@RT100: BTW japan doesn't use CDMA. WCDMA isn't a CDMA technology. Well thats not entirely true either. The whole world pretty much uses CDMA just much lower rates then in the US.
For wide spread adoption its pretty much an american thing (north and south) and SK. #998gbiphone3gs
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Incidentally, that's what's in my pockets right now (Pre, Droid, 3GS, N900)...
Ah the joys of review units!
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And Amazon has yet to ship my n900 :(
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Used to be there was no question you'd see the G1 on there but now admittedly its a little outdated and t-mobile insists on holding on to it.
Time to make something happen T-mobile.
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What I was really getting at was that the Cliq is a far inferior phone to the G1 in most ways.
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The CLIQ (last I checked) was running Android 1.5, which means it's already a generation behind. It also disqualifies it from the GPS app. Additionally, the MOTOBLUR interface is a questionable advantage at best. From what I've seen, the Facebook/Twitter integration gadgets are less than stellar and only provide a chaotic view of your network.
I don't think the G1 is head and shoulders above the CLIQ....but I do think it has a little more dignity. If nothing else because it gets the Google Experience branding instead of MOTOBLUR. Sense and Rachael were good improvements on top of Android. I'm less than convinced that MOTOBLUR has such an advantage.
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Then there are other advantages that are debatable but often pointed out.
5 row QWERTY
Dedicated call keys
Secondary pointing device
So the real question would be what does the cliq have that the G1 doesn't?
5.0 camera which is always a debatable inclusion.
Really though I wasn't really trying to say that the G1 is out and out better. Regardless of any other argument I'd say that everyone agreed that the G1 was a flagship phone for t-mobile. I'm amazed if anyone could really say the same for the cliq. Hell even t-mobile still pimps the MyTouch more then they market the cliq.
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Its the same thing its been from the beginning in most ways. Some tweaks here and there. People must love the flat icons.
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Besides some changes in settings and other backend stuff what is the main difference between 2.0 and 1.6? Flat icons.
#tips
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*downloads Gameboid*
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Everyone has their needs but I have to say, after my real world usage, it's, at the very least, a dead heat between the Droid and the iPhone.
After 3 weeks with the Droid I don't miss my iPhone AT ALL. My only plan for my iPhone is to unlock it and use a prepaid sim when I travel overseas (I'm pretty sure that's possible, if not I'm not too worried).
WTF? ... a jailbroken iPhone on Tmo? Oh well. TMo coverage is trash anyway.
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Yes, Tmo national coverage is really bad for those who travel regionally.
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You really need an editor. The best smartphone on AT&T is a Jailbroken iPhone.
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Also: Droid for $150? Surprising and pleasing.
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The thing to consider, though, is network quality. I've been pretty happy on T-Mobile for the most part. I don't get that great 3G reception in my house, but my building can account for a lot of that. When I travel Atlanta, I get pretty good 3G reception most of the time.
However back when I was on Verizon and I took a trip around the U.S, I managed to get cell reception from underneath the Rocky Mountains. I traveled around 20 or 30 states, most of them drive-through states. I never lost reception. This may not be a typical need, but if you do a lot of traveling, or if you don't live in a (sub)urban area, that extra money may be more than worth it.
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And if you think you have network beef with T-Mobile, try going to college in Iowa where local wireless provider (read:shittastly awful) Iowa Wireless provides all of the T-Mobile service in rural areas. Sprint and Verizon both have 3G here, but what does i-wireless have? Edge. Sometimes. Ahhh Iowa...how frontwards you are with technology.
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I'm pretty sure the Samsung M520 is the best phone you can get on sprint.
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I'd actually like to see a wider switch to how t-mobile is doing it and make it no contract pricing. #998gbiphone3gs
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*(not counting the $100 monthly fees) #998gbiphone3gs
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Even I would have a hard time mentally justifying dropping $500 for an iPhone after getting used to $200-300, but even that would be cheaper than paying back the subsidy. #998gbiphone3gs
11/07/09
I think that if this happens, it will most likely be due to something else altogether - lemme esplain. No... there's no time. let me sum up: by now, it's probably reaching a point where it's easier and cheaper for Apple to manufacture all of their iPhone models with the same guts (just adding in different storage capacities). They've probably come close to using up their previously-ordered stock of older components that go into the building of the original 3G, and it's probably cheaper now for them to just order all identical parts from their suppliers, and build one model of iPhone - even if it means slightly increased build costs per unit. It'd still be more profitable for them to do things that way.
So really, I doubt that it's a question of seeking to be competitive with other new phones in the same price range... In my opinion, they probably even would have released an 8GB 3GS from the start if they didn't have all the leftover stock of parts for the regular 3G. But leaving the 8GB model as a regular 3G allowed them to cycle through older inventory. Now that they've accomplished that, however, it's just easier for them to offer the same model across the board. It's just a happy side effect for both them and us that it ends up meaning better hardware for cheaper. #998gbiphone3gs
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But I know that will never happen :[ #998gbiphone3gs
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I scoff! Scoff! Scoff! Scoff! #998gbiphone3gs
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Verizon will as well, as 4G phones become common. In fact, you can bet who Apple will be going with when their 4G iPhone is released. #998gbiphone3gs
11/06/09
What I'm saying is that is costs millions and millions of dollars to put up an infrastructure of a cell phone network. Verizon Wireless and Sprint-Nextel have spent so much freakin money putting up CDMA towers everywhere that they're not just going to drop it on a dime.
4G is a different story, Verizon is going with the GSM crowd with LTE
Sprint is going in their own direction (again) and spending "3 billion dollars" upgrading from CDMA to WiMAX. [en.wikipedia.org]
Fact is, that there are different standards and they're both gonna be around for awhile. CDMA works better over long distances, like in the boonies in the USA. GSM is more flexible (SIM switching, etc.) but has shorter range, so it's better for more heavily populated areas, like European countries. #998gbiphone3gs
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For wide spread adoption its pretty much an american thing (north and south) and SK. #998gbiphone3gs