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garyiacobucci001
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
"Does anyone still use these anymore?"

Huh? These are still like one of the primary formats for professional videographers. I hardly know anyone who regularly goes straight to HDD or P2 card. I know I use them constantly.
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RoboticSpacePenguin
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
Yay, now my iphone stands upright instead of laying flat on my desk. Wait... Why is this better? #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Bandit
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
Hell YES I still use them. Still the best format around for recording HD video. You get unlimited capacity just by popping in a new tape, you have an original-quality backup/source, and you can do the transfer to your PC whenever you want to, not when the camera is "full." I am increasingly concerned that these cameras are fading from the market in favor of DVD (which have short capacity and low quality) or hard drives (which fill up and need to be dumped regularly). #minidvcaseiphonestand
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elementary
11/13/09

@Bandit: Between cheap flash storage and cheap external harddrives, I can't imagine why anyone would still want to use the in-between of digital tape. The transfer time has prevented me from getting my old tapes on to my home video harddrive. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Bandit
11/13/09

@elementary: So you are accumulating flash cards? Do you think that's as safe for long-term storage as magnetic tape? Also, are you using 2GB cards or 4GB? Either way I think you must have limited capacity on each card for HD video (if you're shooting HD, as I am). #minidvcaseiphonestand
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elementary
11/13/09

@Bandit: Uhh... no, I'm not accumulating flash cards. My movies are stored on harddrives. The flash cards are used for recording, not archiving. And your questioning whether I'm using 2GB or 4GB flash cards? Are you kidding? Ok, now you've exposed just how behind the times you are. I don't have a flash card smaller than 8GB. Do you? And yes, I shoot in 1080 HD, and no, I don't have capacity issues.

If you want your video stored on bits and pieces storage media, digging them out as you need them, more power to you. I'm done with that era. My music collection, my movie collection, my photos and yes my home movies are all easily accessible and viewable on my TV at a moment's notice thanks to large format digital storage.

But you just keep on shufflin' through those tapes. And don't forget to rewind! #minidvcaseiphonestand
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cmanptown02
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
We are all missing the point. The first guy to do this was straight genius. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Pope John Peeps II
11/13/09

@cmanptown02: If he's so smart then why doesn't he tell me what to do with my currently un-cased "Roxette" tape? #minidvcaseiphonestand
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cmanptown02
11/13/09

@Pope John Peeps II: wow...you win #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Pope John Peeps II
11/13/09

@cmanptown02: Every time I see you oh I try to hide away.

But when we meet it seems I can't let gooooo.

(can't let go!)

Every time you leave the room... #minidvcaseiphonestand
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lladnar
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
Does anyone still use mini dv? Seriously? Does Final Cut Pro even support any flash based camera? #minidvcaseiphonestand
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OCEntertainment
11/13/09

@lladnar: Yes. Folks who still give a crap about archiving their footage on something a tiny bit more durable than a scratchable disc.

Truth be told, most new formats only consider the short game. Get footage from the lens to the compy as fast as you can. Tapes, while slower, archive better. They're easier to handle, the sensitive parts have a protective casing, and most importantly: per unit, they're cheap. Stick a label on a tape and it archives itself. With flash/hard drive based memory, you've got to sort your video files, name them properly, burn/transfer them to some long-term media. And hope to high heaven they're as durable as those tapes you were so eager to get rid off.

Not to mention the crap I've had to deal with getting video into a usable format from a hard drive camera. Until that mess gets thoroughly standardized, I'd sooner hand draw each frame. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Spartanical
11/13/09

@OCEntertainment: i can't wait until they come out with mini-Blu-ray video cameras. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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OCEntertainment
11/13/09

@Spartanical: If they do, I hope they do it better than the MiniDVD crap they've pulled. Number one sin was requiring folks to finalize their discs before they could be viewed on anything but the camcorder itself. Completely unavoidable, I'm sure. Pain in the ass, nonetheless. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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TVGenius
11/13/09

@lladnar: Yeah, those DVD camcorders are total crap. But seriously, I don't get the deal with all the MiniDV bashing. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to back up an hour's worth of video on a $2.50 tape than $20 worth of hard drive space.

On the campus I work at, we constantly have departments (especially athletics) complaining about how worthless their HDD/DVD/Flash-based cameras are, because either the DVD media is too flaky and expensive, or they don't have anywhere to keep all the massive files from their hours-long game 'tapes', plus then they have to spend more time converting them to be able to show them on something other than the camera itself, because for some reason they all use lame-ass proprietary formats. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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Spartanical
11/13/09

@OCEntertainment: i agree with that. hopefully they'll start right out with r/rw with immediate playback and the ability to reinsert and begin recording from where you left off. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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sharkync
11/13/09

In reply to Life Is Rarely as Simple as the Mini DV Case iPhone Stand
I think the only people that still use these are the ones whose cameras require them. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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SQLGuru
11/13/09

@sharkync: I still have a large collection. Need to get around to digitizing my collection...... #minidvcaseiphonestand
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JerryA
11/13/09

@SQLGuru: MiniDV is already digital. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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weatherman
11/13/09

@SQLGuru: do it quick - I remember reading that the data on those tapes actually degrades much more quickly than claimed. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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OCEntertainment
11/13/09

@weatherman: Source? #minidvcaseiphonestand
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SQLGuru
11/13/09

@JerryA: By digitize I mean convert into a digital file sitting on a disk (hard drive) and very likely ultimately copied over to a disc (DVD). #minidvcaseiphonestand
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weatherman
11/13/09

@OCEntertainment: Years ago, I think I remember reading the personal account of Mark Frauenfelder, who lost a bunch of stuff on DV that he had thought was safe because it was on some sort of "archival quality" DV, only to find out that the manufacturer had overstated claims of longevity. I might be misremembering who it was though.

Many people think that because it's "DV" that somehow being "digital" means that it won't degrade, but from what I understand that's just not true. Tape is supposed to be good for about 10-15 years, but that it can degrade much quicker than that depending on conditions. Even storing the tape around ordinary home AV equipment can expose it to electromagnetic fields that can degrade the tape. According to a few sites, "Short term exposure [to electromagnetic fields] has few deleterious effects, but over time even a modest magnetic field can seriously degrade the tape."

If I'm wrong, certainly let me know. I'm no expert on the subject, but from what I'd heard I'd always thought that DV might be convenient, but it's not a permanent media for archiving.
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OCEntertainment
11/13/09

@weatherman: I don't actually know if you're wrong. I suppose it would benefit me to research the subject, huh? Since archiving tapes is part of my job. ;-)

Of course, where I work, we only archive tapes for about ten years, then destroy them. And I think when you get into archiving, you have to start figuring out how long you're going to keep them. Anything beyond 10-15 years, and you really should have a re-archival procedure. Some media may be better than the other over the short game, but nothing lasts 100 years. Anyone in business with an archive of tapes ought to invest in a department that goes through old files and recaptures/copies/transfers/whatever to new media. You can bet that the big movie studios have whole warehouses devoted to keeping up with all the old movie reels.

I guess in that respect, digital media has the advantage, not necessarily that it doesn't degrade over time, but that it doesn't degrade over copies. If a tape/disc needs replacing every 15 years, and you recopy it every ten, you could maintain an almost perfect original indefinitely. #minidvcaseiphonestand
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fleanine
10/13/09

In reply to iPhone iBend Stands Are So Thin That iHurled
Isn't that the pringles guy ???? [blog.cleveland.com]
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Platypus Man
10/13/09

@fleanine: It looks like Julius Pringles, yes.

And the reason your 6 previous posts didn't make it onto the page is because you're a new user and haven't been approved yet.
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fleanine
10/13/09

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Isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles chips can???
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nutbastard
10/13/09

@fleanine:

muahahaha, the shame.
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fleanine
10/13/09

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Isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles chips can???
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fleanine
10/13/09

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Isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles chips can???
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fleanine
10/13/09

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Isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles chips can???
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fleanine
10/13/09

In reply to iPhone iBend Stands Are So Thin That iHurled
Isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles chips can???
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fleanine
10/13/09

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isn't the mustache guy from the Pringles can?
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Sam
10/13/09

In reply to iPhone iBend Stands Are So Thin That iHurled
Half the joy of watching a movie on a plane comes from building the fort that your PMP sits on.
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Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
10/13/09

In reply to iPhone iBend Stands Are So Thin That iHurled
Rosa, perhaps that should have been iCurled... the stand that is.
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