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Reality Check: iPhone vs Palm Pre Launch

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tamoko
06/08/09

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Bring on the PreBoys!
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Seiven
06/08/09

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I was really hoping for a good phone to beat out the iPhone simply because of the carrier choice (AT&T sucks where I live...I understand not everywhere) but I can't help but think that it has become futile and the iPhone has in fact become the de facto standard like the iPod for .mp3 players, and PCs for much everything else...I know there are other choices out there, but hype does usually equal marketshare.
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Seiven
06/08/09

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Technophiles and "regular folk" really cannot be compared, but on another note BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Dirtball Rotten
06/08/09

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yea this is so miss-leading, there is no pre/palm store. and apple fanboys maybe the craziest on earth.

but the pre was all over the regular news this weekend.

apple plays the HYPE machine better than anyone in technology. everyone knows that.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@Dirtball Rotten: People crowded around third-party resellers for products such as the PS3 and the Wii, mainly because they had a great deal of expectations to live up to. What great expectations did people really have in Palm?
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tmed
06/08/09

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However, the Pre (hardware + OS) is better than the iPhone, so it's easy to get carried away.

Certainly the developer support will need to be there to be as good as the full package the iPhone now offers. It is the first product that has a chance.

The iPhone was game-changing, it was the device that Palm should have evolved into 2 years ago. The Pre is game-changing, but in a subtler way, and I fear that its improvements will simply be assimilated into the iPhone and Palm will die forever.
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aquajaws
06/08/09

@tmed: I wouldn't call the Pre game-changing. Apple changed the game. The Pre is just polishing off Palm's game pieces and putting them into the new game from the old one. Don't get me wrong, while I am an iPhone owner and I guess some would classify me as a 'fanboy', I like the Pre, and hope it sticks around and pushes Apple, RIM, Google, and Microsoft to continue to improve their products, but the Pre hasn't changed the game yet except for introducing a new player. The iPhone introduced a whole new game board to play on.

And as far as the better...hardware...well maybe for the next few hours, but there is a good chance for an iPhone announcement in a bit that could wipe that away. Plus, I prefer the soft keyboard and the bigger screen. I switched to the iPhone from a Treo 700p. The soft keyboard is much easier to use and a lot more versitile. OS...its subjective and again, new OS on the way shortly from Apple.
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tmed
06/08/09

@aquajaws: I hate the soft keyboard, I took my iPhone back because I hated typing on it and I hated the Apple's feel in my pocket. The Pre is better on each of these fronts. I find the hardware better, but it is probably fair to say it ia a decision on the keyboard.

WebOS is game-changing. Apple will address it. It is not a matter of units sold (as Apple knows) it is a metter of offering the most features in the simplest package. WebOs is better than iPhone OS 3.0. That changes the game.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@tmed: I haven't had a chance to sample the iPhone's 3.0 OS, so how is WebOS better?
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Thorvard
06/08/09

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I would also say that the iPhone was way more of a game changer than the Pre was. I bet, if it was the Pre that came out 2 years ago, the lines would have been huge for it also.
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92BuickLeSabre
06/08/09

@Thorvard: That's kind of a strange counter-factual. And isn't that kind of the point? The Pre isn't much of a game changer? That it's essentially catching up to two years ago?

I mean, if the Pre had come out 25 years ago the lines would have also been huge.

Not trying to be snarky, just confused if I'm missing your point.
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weatherman
06/08/09

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To be fair, there's no Palm store, so it's not like the people had a natural place to aggregate. Only time will tell whether the Palm Pre is successful. I certainly hope it will be, since competition is always good for consumers.
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Jesus Diaz
06/08/09

@weatherman: There were huge lines everywhere, people camping outside AT&T stores. Simply, Palm is no match to the expectation that Apple generates. Witness today as the new iPhone obliterates the Pre out of every single media outlet out there.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

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Well, that's what happens when one company has a prior history of producing wares that people care about, and another that has a prior history of producing wares that don't matter anymore.
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crsh1976
06/08/09

@Kaiser-Machead:

We're at the point where Apple could very well put out a piece of turd wrapped in aluminum and people would still line up for it.

Props to Apple, but I'm slowly losing all faith in humans.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@crsh1976: Your comment would be true if Apple had a 100% success rate. History has shown otherwise, so you're in error. Just the same, I'm right, and compared to Apple, Palm's current hype is a stark contrast from their previous releases.
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marm0lade
06/08/09

@Kaiser-Machead:

"has a prior history of producing wares that don't matter anymore."

Proven by the fact that you are commenting on a article about the Palm Pre launch, right?

I know you catch my drift, "machead", but for those that don't:

If they don't matter why did you even click on this story, and then comment on it?

There is no logical explanation, besides the fact that you. are. full. of. it.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@marm0lade: Perhaps you should try reapplying that logic and revise your position again. The key word here, is prior, as I consider Palm's prior attempts currently insignificant. At no time did I express any low opinion of the Pre. And, since that is the basis of your claim, you may want to read more closely before attempting to shut others down.

P.S. Try not to read so much in the user name. It really won't help in any discussions.
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Jesse Scroggins
06/08/09

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The long lines and wait was one main reasons I waited a few months before I went and bought my iPhone 3G.
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Hello Mister Walrus
06/08/09

@Jesse Scroggins: Yeah, what's up with people needing to have things on the very first day? It's not like they get a different product in exchange for waiting.
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Freddie DeBoer
06/08/09

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Of course, there was never a shortage of iPhones. People who waited in line for iPhones were just wasting their time. The very next day, they could have walked into Apple stores and picked one up with no wait at all. People waited in line for Wiis because they were hard to get. People waited in line for iPhones because... well, for no reason, actually.
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bill cant fart
06/08/09

@jhcovert: They were off their meds?
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MINI Driver
06/08/09

@bill cant fart: Not so - in fact many stores were cleared out of iPhones by the end of day 1.

There was even a webpage on Apple's website, that allowed you to check which stores had stock before you set out.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@Freddie DeBoer: And you're right. I stopped by the SoHo store during the initial launch, and the place was packed beyond belief. The crowd around the display models were nigh impenetrable, so I didn't actually get to try one out for about a month. People were buying them in the 6's or more, and despite all of these people buying all of these phones, the store was only out of stock for that day alone, and the next day, they had a seemingly larger batch for the next wave.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@MINI Driver: I can't speak for all of the stores, but neither of the NYC stores were out of stock for over a day, so you really could have just as well waited for the next day.
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ceilingFANBOY
06/08/09

@Kaiser-Machead: The New York stores may have never run out, but going to those would be like going to Nintendo World while the Wii was still in shortage.
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gadam07
06/08/09

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Oh, come now. There's no comparison between normal companies and Apple when it comes to fanboys.
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pixelpushing
06/08/09

@gadam07: Maybe if the Palm Pre had come out two years ago, as futuristic as it is two years ago, like the iPhone did, we might have seen more enthusiastic line-waiting.
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imTheKing
06/08/09

@gadam07: The iPhone doesn't just target fanboys, it targets everyone. I'm willing to bet that over 50% of the lines are made up of consumers whom aren't fanboys.

Palm just came late to the game with a device that literally spawned off the iphone. The idea of phones such as the Pre, G1 or the Storm are all based off of what the iPhone has created.
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ripfire
06/08/09

@pixelpushing: Uhhh.. No.
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Kaiser-Machead
06/08/09

@imTheKing: Just like the vast majority of people who own iPods are Windows users.
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