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Maybe these guys can patent the soldier salute gesture and sue the United States, all seven continents and the moon for partaking in waving, saying hello, looking at someone or even witnessing any gesture related to the above... or not related. Seems like a great way to get that moola. Should have gone to school to learn about this kind of "fuckassery" (sweet! got to use that for the first time today).
@valkilmerisawful: For you and everyone else who seems to be suggesting "let's just patent [some thing that is now commonplace] and run to the bank": please stop.
You don't have to like the fact that non-practicing entities (i.e., "trolls") sue others based on patents they don't use. You don't have to like the fact that software is (presently) patentable. There are lots of grounds on which to prop a sensible argument against a patent. But the above isn't one of them.
Just because something is commonplace today doesn't mean it wasn't novel at some time. And under the current law, if something covered by a valid patent--i.e., an application somebody had the foresight to file BEFORE the thing became commonplace-- happens to become commonplace during the patent's (limited) term, the patentee is entitled to enforce his/her patent.
@iconoclasttt: You've got the wrong impression, friend. I'm truly indifferent, truly. If I had to chose a side, I'd support the patent owners for having the intuition and wherewithals to protect their intellectual ingenuity. Shame on a larger company for not investing the time to research, review, clarify and compensate for legitimate patents, because I'm sure that somewhere, there is a room full of legal associates working on this.
However, they're gamble may come from the accounting department to justify keeping $25M in the bank for 3 years, and pay the penalties later, if it is prohibitive and cost-beneficial to do so. Why pay now when you can pay later?
I do not not feel bad about it, nor I do feel good about it. But I wouldn't mind understanding the determinations that were made to either avoid, dismiss or take a position of naivety.
@iconoclasttt: the problem with these companies is they patent bullshit and when someone else figures out how to do it they claim IP. It'd be like me claiming a patent for a device that modulates neutrino flow in a flux capacitor, I have no idea what I said and I just made it up, but if you actually make and sell one tomorrow then you'd be screwed. The downfall of the US patent system is not requiring a functional prototype. Yep I said functional, as cheap as it is today if you can't do that, then you are full of shit.
@me_eit001: You should patent that idea so that when the patent office adopts this procedure, you will be compensated. How will you prototype this? Some ideas can be patented, some cannot. There was a pretty sweet article about an portable audio device patent a while back that I'll link to here: [gizmodo.com]
But what about the system you are describing? One of the primary reasons for patenting a product, service or process is to secure time and funding to create prototypes, is it not?
Its a tough line of ambiguity. Patent attorneys have a tough time because sometimes people will want to "Patent" actual innovative ideas, where many of the components are still concepts. Meanwhile others yet, usually these loophole Companies that patent hundreds of vaguely worded technologies that - given their relative trends - will eventually come to fruition anyway. How do you enforce one patent over another on the basis of the "designers" moral integrity? These greedy patent hogs, not unlike domain squatters, are a bunch of Nutbastards! No offence to our local Nutbastard
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yeah this is somewhere along the lines of patenting, say, the fork.
"An elongated utensil featuring 2 or more tines, affixed by a handle, for the purpose of mechanically manipulating edible goods, and transporting edible goods to the mouth, by use of the hand and arm, and/or in conjunction with a knife, for the purpose of eating blah blah blah blah"
PRICE STERN SLOAN has sued GIZMODO over MADLIB USE in the POST ABOUT APPLE BEING SUED. They have a history of MADLIB BOOKS, and BUTT FARTS.
(apparently there seems to be a correlation between butt farts and patent lawsuits)
I am issuing a pattent that includes the following: Content viewable and downloadable via a screen or computer that can include pictures, text, videos and any other possible media. The preceding is to be accessible through data transfers.
Yep, I patented the internet and suing all of you, even animals.
@Zerod Zunaro:
I patented every atom and particle in the entire multi-verse.
I patented the firing of neurons in a brain that causes thought.
In fact....I patented (fill in blank) to infinity!
I'm taking my ball and going home.....
You guys are no fun anymore....
People can modify and customize anything they own, Microsoft isn't preventing that here. You can put rocket boosters and machine guns on your car if you really wanted to, but that doesn't mean the state will let you drive it on the road. Just as Microsoft doesn't have any obligation to let you on their Live service with your modded device.
You might get away with it at first, but that doesn't entitle you to use it forever. You might pay taxes for road work, or pay a monthly fee for XBL, but the use of those is a privilege, not a right.
Furthermore, the road to hell is paved with "good intentions". MS can't discern the pirate from the casual modder, and it would be pretty ridiculous to expect them to.
A lot of you are jumping the gun and assuming that everyone that mods their Xbox 360 is a pirate.
Sure, I may be one of the few exceptions to this rule - but when my sister knocked over my Xbox for the first time after getting a brand new copy of Forza 2 about 2 years ago I was heart broken that I just lost $60 in a blink of an eye. Ever since then I've made LEGAL back ups of all of my games and kept the original discs stowed away out of harms reach so that I never have to worry about losing my $60 investment into a disc.
Ever since modifying my console I've lost many of burned games - either from the Xbox being tipped over or just from normal wear and tear - but whenever that happens I just pull out the original and re-rip it and make another copy.
I think that sure this class-action lawsuit is a little over the line but I think Microsoft should at least hear out the legit people in the modding scene. :(
I'm pretty sure that there are conflicting laws on the books as to the legality of modding devices. I know you're not allowed to bypass DRM but you are allowed to expand the functionality of a device. I think that it should be wrong for MS to ban you from using an 3rd party HDD. There should be some onus on MS to prove that the consoles were circumventing copy protection.
In the end you are using a service they provide and if you don't like the way they run it you can go somewhere else. I guess buy two xboxes and use one for online and mod the other?
@Deep-Blue: True, but provisions of contracts can be ruled to be unenforceable or in violation of state or federal law. Just because it's signed doesn't mean it's legal.
@Red_Flag: The contract is not a law, but by signing it, Microsoft is reserving their stated rights and you agree to it. Although a contract is open for interpretation and you can open a case stating your argument, but their terms are pretty explicit about modding.
@yantelope: They aren't saying your can't mod your box perse. They are saying if you do choose to mod your box, you are not going to be using our online service.
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You don't have to like the fact that non-practicing entities (i.e., "trolls") sue others based on patents they don't use. You don't have to like the fact that software is (presently) patentable. There are lots of grounds on which to prop a sensible argument against a patent. But the above isn't one of them.
Just because something is commonplace today doesn't mean it wasn't novel at some time. And under the current law, if something covered by a valid patent--i.e., an application somebody had the foresight to file BEFORE the thing became commonplace-- happens to become commonplace during the patent's (limited) term, the patentee is entitled to enforce his/her patent.
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However, they're gamble may come from the accounting department to justify keeping $25M in the bank for 3 years, and pay the penalties later, if it is prohibitive and cost-beneficial to do so. Why pay now when you can pay later?
I do not not feel bad about it, nor I do feel good about it. But I wouldn't mind understanding the determinations that were made to either avoid, dismiss or take a position of naivety.
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But what about the system you are describing? One of the primary reasons for patenting a product, service or process is to secure time and funding to create prototypes, is it not?
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"An elongated utensil featuring 2 or more tines, affixed by a handle, for the purpose of mechanically manipulating edible goods, and transporting edible goods to the mouth, by use of the hand and arm, and/or in conjunction with a knife, for the purpose of eating blah blah blah blah"
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if you ask St Claire, it falls in the catagory of patent infringement.
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(apparently there seems to be a correlation between butt farts and patent lawsuits)
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Yep, I patented the internet and suing all of you, even animals.
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Too late. I patented it already.
I also patented the idea of patenting it, so you violated my patent.
My attorney will be in touch....
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Your move.
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I patented every atom and particle in the entire multi-verse.
I patented the firing of neurons in a brain that causes thought.
In fact....I patented (fill in blank) to infinity!
I'm taking my ball and going home.....
You guys are no fun anymore....
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You might get away with it at first, but that doesn't entitle you to use it forever. You might pay taxes for road work, or pay a monthly fee for XBL, but the use of those is a privilege, not a right.
Furthermore, the road to hell is paved with "good intentions". MS can't discern the pirate from the casual modder, and it would be pretty ridiculous to expect them to.
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Sure, I may be one of the few exceptions to this rule - but when my sister knocked over my Xbox for the first time after getting a brand new copy of Forza 2 about 2 years ago I was heart broken that I just lost $60 in a blink of an eye. Ever since then I've made LEGAL back ups of all of my games and kept the original discs stowed away out of harms reach so that I never have to worry about losing my $60 investment into a disc.
Ever since modifying my console I've lost many of burned games - either from the Xbox being tipped over or just from normal wear and tear - but whenever that happens I just pull out the original and re-rip it and make another copy.
I think that sure this class-action lawsuit is a little over the line but I think Microsoft should at least hear out the legit people in the modding scene. :(
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In the end you are using a service they provide and if you don't like the way they run it you can go somewhere else. I guess buy two xboxes and use one for online and mod the other?
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To even try to declare that Live's contract terms were illegal in respect to modding would be an impossibly uphill battle for the plaintiffs.
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