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    Image of thomas_obrien222 thomas_obrien222
    11/25/09

    In reply to Else Intuition OS Looks Pretty Sweet on First Phone Expected Q2 Next Year
    what about the left handers?
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    11/25/09

    @thomas_obrien222: I think somebody told them that 50% of left-handers sympathize to communist China. And China doesn't like to take chances, so they've eliminated the left hand. Therefore, all equipment manufactured in China will be for right-handed people. Actually, no, I just made that up. I totally had you tho...

    Anyway, this thing fails if it doesn't have Swype. Else and Swype were meant for eachother. I hope it doesn't cost as much as a used vehicle, like Sony's cool-yet-practically-untouchable phones.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Else Intuition OS Looks Pretty Sweet on First Phone Expected Q2 Next Year
    Any real release date other than a vague "next year"?
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Else Intuition OS Looks Pretty Sweet on First Phone Expected Q2 Next Year
    Looks absolutely awesome. I'll take it.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    so this is why microsoft never used web standerds, its been a long plot to thrawt google os!
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    Image of JC Whitless JC Whitless
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    If everything is going to be 'cloud' and ran off of 'servers' at other locations, who is paying the bills on those servers? Who is keeping them up and managing the content? How do you justify a free OS with this type of built in legacy costs?

    Oh, I know how. Ads. Your computer will not have to have an adblocker. Your computer will boot up and shut down the latest deals from Foot Locker. In the middle of writing a paper? A pop up will remind you to get a new McCafe since you have been working really hard.

    I see people saying someone wants to own their own media, I think there are people who like owning their own software, so to speak.

    I was so in favor of the Chrome OS till I read the news and drew my own conclusions. Back to Ubunt-land I go.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    I don't know about this analysis. I mean, don't get me wrong, a lot of stuff here is good. For a truly web-dedicated device, bandwidth would, as always, need to be increased. The structure of web apps would need to adapt.

    But, personally I believe this kind of misses the point. I don't think the initiative of Chrome OS is to simply move everything to the web. I mean, take video editing for example. Why? Video editing isn't typically a very "portable" task. Either a video edit is a big project that could use a dedicated workstation (or an internal local network, as in a small production house), where uploading hundreds of gigabytes of data would be a waste of time, or it's a live, happening-now kind of video taken from a phone where maybe some basic trimming tasks would be done real quick then uploaded. I'm open to suggestions, but I can't think of a video editing job where you would benefit from uploading video to a server then editing it from any and all computers you could log into. It's just unnecessary.

    Honestly, I really don't think Chrome OS is intended to be the game-changing replacement OS people were expecting it to be. Much like the netbooks themselves. When I first heard of a laptop without an optical drive and minimal (comparatively) amounts of storage space, I laughed. But they caught on, and for good reason. Namely, they were targeted devices that didn't aim to do everything, but what it does do, it does well. And cheaply.

    Chrome OS, from what we've seen today, flat out does not have what it takes to dethrone Windows, OS X, or any Linux flavor as a desktop OS. And I doubt it ever will. But given the right amount of support from web app developers (because really, it's mostly in their hands), Chrome OS has everything it takes to make one kick ass netbook. For some people.
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    Image of Tom90deg Tom90deg
    11/20/09

    @OCEntertainment: There's a rumor that the whole reason that many computer manufacturers are supporting Chrome is for one reason. It's free, and that will let them put some pressure on MS to reduce prices for their OS.

    They don't particularly want to use it, but if they threaten MS with it, well, MS'll have to drop it's prices, they'll switch back, and everyone is happy.
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    11/20/09

    @Tom90deg: That would be an insanely idiotic thing for a device manufacturer to do.

    If they were to switch over to a product they thought was good, that'd be one thing. Folks start buying non-Windows computers, MS loses money, then they start getting more competitive with their prices. But if device manufacturers start putting an OS they have zero confidence in, MS would be all "Good luck, suckers!"

    You actually can compete with free. And if free sucked, if free didn't move computers off the shelves, MS prices would stay right where they are.

    Free may be a helpful motivating factor, but it is not the only reason manufacturers would consider supporting it.
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    "Before you get mad at me, forget about Rhapsody and Napster, and think more about your cable company, "

    I am. and the bandwidth caps and overage charges living in the 'cloud' will bring.

    not everyone is lucky enough to get unlimited internet.

    the choice for this house is cable, with a bandwidth cap, or dial up at 56k. thats it. and no moving is not an option.
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    Image of Gundem Gundem
    11/19/09

    In reply to Google Chrome OS Liveblog Today
    Metroid Prime.
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    11/19/09

    @Gundem: ^^
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    Image of iElvis iElvis
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    Chrome is Skynet. You have been warned.
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    Image of jbouklas jbouklas
    11/19/09

    @iElvis: Dude, totally.
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    Image of slim934 slim934
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    Number 5 will never happen.

    As long as people can buy their own harddrives and programmers can make their own aps to capture streaming media it will never occur. Everyone's computers would have to be totally under the control of somebody other than the owner for this to actually happen.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/19/09

    @slim934: Seconded. If access to media was all people really wanted, copyright debates wouldn't rage, streaming media would've gone mainstream a long time ago, and we'd be laughing at iTunes pay-per-song model. No, people want to own their media. For whatever value of "own" each person has. Some are content with digital files. Personally, I like physical media, each one with its own casing on display on a shelf. Movie and music collections are more than just access. They're personal libraries. In some cases, it's even a source of individual pride.

    If Google's case is that media's just gonna be on the web and that's how it is (which I doubt it is, but still), they're going to find some major resistance from the market on that one.
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    Image of Yuppers: I love you Yuppers: I love you
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    Don't forget security. Passwords will become more important than ever, figuring that all you have to do is log into your Chrome OS and everything about you is available right there. I'm assuming most people will have passwords saved on most accounts for fast viewing. God forbid if you don't have password protection on this device or some form of HDD encryption (or a SSD equivlant).
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    Image of jepzilla jepzilla
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    I think what ChromeOS really needs is a compelling form factor. I'm thinking something along the lines of all the iTablet ideas we've seen floating around over the past year.

    Decent wireless broadband is important, but not a huge jump over what we have today. Fundamentally, Google is creating a very smart dumb-terminal. You don't necessarily need an ultra-fast internet connection to edit large data-sets (like big image files) because the dataset lives on a server off in a datacentre somewhere, and ChromeOS is simply a presentation layer. It doesn't need the full 100GB dataset to work with, just enough to present to you a working view. If you want to apply some sort of filter to the dataset it gets applied on the remote server, rather than on your local hardware.

    And even then, how often are we editing large datasets? Are you really going to do a lot of image editing on a little portable device, or would you rather do it on a proper machine with a big, calibrated monitor? I don't even do work on laptops, I find them woefully insufficient for my needs... mine is relegated to just webbrowsing these days.

    The workstation will never die, but I see something like this stomping the life out of the notebook and netbook markets.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    Part of me wants to like it, while the other part says "lol it's useless!!11!!"

    I must download this and try it out.
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    Image of Zinger314 Zinger314
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    The Chrome OS needs to be able to play Doom.
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment Zinger314 was starred Zinger314 was unstarred
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    11/19/09

    @Zinger314: Funny that usability of a platform is generally established upon the inevitable port of DOOM. ;D
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    Image of telepheedian telepheedian
    11/19/09

    @00000000: [www.officegamespot.com]
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    11/19/09

    @telepheedian: Thank you. You just managed to kill my productivity forever.
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    Image of yantelope yantelope
    11/19/09

    In reply to What Google Needs for the Chrome OS To Succeed
    I would like to be more skeptical about all of this but seeing as to how Apple does most of this stuff with the iPhone and how much people love it I can see people latching on to chrome.

    I however am a geek. I tinker, build my own PC and play games and leave media player running in the background. I use my PC as a DVR and stream it to my XBox. I personally have very little interest in Chrome OS as anything other than a dual boot but I am in no way the typical American. In a way that makes my heart sad.
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    Image of jepzilla jepzilla
    11/19/09

    @yantelope: I'm a huge geek and I'd love a device running ChromeOS and only ChromeOS. It won't replace my PC, but it would be an incredible supplement. And it WOULD replace my laptop.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    11/19/09

    @yantelope: I could be wrong, but the distinction I understand is that Chrome will be the iPhone before the SDK. That is not to say that an entirely web-based world for computing cannot work - it can, but not without end users giving up a bunch of capabilities, or the web based world catching up with some fairly common computing practices. If the goal is merely to browse the web, listen to Pandora, read email in Gmail, and play on Facebook - then GoogOS will be lovely. If you want a full music storage system or photo editor - suddenly this web based idea starts to look really muddy.

    That said, I know better than to bet against Google. They always have a google of tricks up their sleeves.
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    Image of grimdeath9740 grimdeath9740
    11/19/09

    @Monty: It is only Muddy because the tools that will start making these apps a reality are new and still in development (HTML5 for example).

    Yes we ALL know that IE cant edit video like Final Pro but what if it could? That is what Google is trying to provid here.
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    11/19/09

    @grimdeath9740: Yes, I suppose that is the muddy part since they are building an OS for network technology (not to mention the network to go with it) that does not really exist yet today. For the moment, the OS is great for giving to family members that only need web browsing and email, but geeks have some waiting to do before it will serve our needs - if it ever will. Here's hoping.
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    Image of protohiro protohiro
    11/19/09

    @jepzilla: I don't get it. I really don't. What is the use case here? You, as a geek, can buy a netbook TODAY with an SSD and ubuntu, only use a browser and you have 100% of the features of this product. So why are you excited? What does Chrome offer here? Faster boot times??
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    jepzilla promoted this comment protohiro was starred protohiro was unstarred
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    11/19/09

    @protohiro: It's like going back to 59B.C. and asking what's so exciting about Caesar going to Gaul. I mean, lots of people had been to Gaul, so what's the big deal? Well, the realm of 'what's possible' changes, quite dramatically, when the size and scope of an organization increases. When Caesar marched to Gaul, his armies built roads as they traveled. The established administration centers. Those roads still exist today, and the Roman legal, political and administrative systems were the foundation of our modern states.

    Now, Google is like the Roman army. If they want to march towards HTML+JavaScript powered thin-but-smart-clients, I'm happy and excited to follow along behind. They have a vision and they have a history of success under their belt. ChromeOS itself is a little boring, but it's the potential ecosystem that could exist to support it that excites me.

    Now, I'm not sure exactly what they'll build, but I think there's a good chance it'll be really fucking cool.
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    Edited by jepzilla at 11/19/09 9:03 PM jepzilla was starred jepzilla was unstarred
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