This is ridiculous. How do you tell your customers that you are screwed so easily? This is like saying, "We don't care about you. This system is banned, and it will stay that way."
FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
@hcho3: How is this any different than any other nontransferable warentey?
How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
Despite the official "warranty is not transferable" policy, Microsoft still fixed the 360 I purchased used when it RROD'd. They'll make an exception for things that are their fault.
Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
buying anything used has always been a problem. Even in the old days, the Romans would demand a warranty on their x boxes....thus the saying "caveat emptor" #xbox
Check the comments on Major Nelson's site for a little more insight. Less-than-shady party means anyone you don't personally know.
Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
@Guard: "Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case."
Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
@Guard: Developers DO get paid for used game sales. Please learn some economics.
Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
@newgalactic: They did that with the first-gen XBox. Need to unban your console? Swap the EEPROM and hard drive from another console. (the hard drive unlock key is in the 'PROM so you have to swap the drive with it, too. #xbox
My unmodded 360 is still hardware banned. I doubt microsoft will have any amnesty because it was opened to install better cooling for RROD prevention. Meh. #xbox
@4nonymo: Its not that they detected me opening it. Its that they banned it for no reason, but it was opened already so i cant take it back. Its time to consider retail fraud. Modern Warfare 2 is coming in 5 days, #xbox
Hardware banning is total bullshit. It ensures that the resale value of the consoles go in the toilet, and in turn makes for a greater amount of sales of new hardware. The "risk" of repeat offenders returning to Live is also bullshit, because no doubt anyone seriously addicted to the service will return on a new XBox anyway.
Hardware support is a different issue entirely. Questionable to non-existent warranty support is naturally inherent to buying used electronics, but the online service should not be inextricably tied to the device's warranty.
This has been the policy since BEFORE the initial Xbox Live rollout in 2002. The beta testers (myself included) got a ban for mod chips. The Xbox was flagged, even if the mod was removed, it was banned.
Same thing held true with Softmods. I know there are more reasons for a ban now, but the policy has always been once a unit was banned, you could not unban it. #xbox
Seems incredibly wasteful to ban *hardware*. After all, it was the user that violated MS policy, not the xbox.
If MS really cared about anything other than money, it would ban specific users instead of their xboxes, but a banned user can't pay the monthly fee... #xbox
@bluespot: No, because then that user would just sign up for another account. Banning the xbox 360 is the only way to ensure that user won't get on anymore. It does make sense, though it sucks for people who buy the broken xbox. #xbox
interesting I got a used Xbox from e-bay worked for a week broke and I sent it back in and got one back in fact they sent me 2 by mistake and it was harder to return the second one than it was to get the used one fixed #xbox
@Sean M Westcott: sorry but when you dont have any punctuation in your comment i cant really read it coherently but maybe next time if you go ahead and use some commas or periods i will be able to understand what you are talking about okay thanks #xbox
@aniteshj: Seriously? I guess you've never bought a used car? Why would buying something used automatically make you deserving of getting less than what you expected when you paid for it? #xbox
This is just sad. It's an embarrassment for America. What are we going to do next? Make vacuum tube computers that are the size of houses? We seem to be moving back in technology, not moving forwards.
They should be launching the next version of the space shuttle, not a piece of crap rocket that anyone and their grandmothers can make. #aresix
@Noobs-R-Us: The problem with the space shuttle as I understand it (at least in it's current incarnation) is that while reusable, it's wildly inefficient in terms of cost and fuel. Launching the mass of the shuttle, which itself is effectively dead weight in terms of science value since it doesn't do anything, takes a huge amount of fuel. And all that has to be launched by rockets, as does the Ares program.
On the flip side we have the Soviet approach with Soyuz that,while less glamorous, consists of cheaper, mass produced spacecraft that are lighter, simpler, safer, and again...much cheaper.
Replacing the shuttle in all likelihood won't mean building another piece of equipment that complicated, or that cool. It will mean shorter-lifespan capsules atop modern rocket systems.
Anyways, it isn't easy to build a brand new rocket system...just look at SpaceX's awesome record. #aresix
In technology you usually take your last incarnation and take what you’ve learned from the mistakes and improve on it by making the next version much better. Here, we seem to be saying that we don't have will and are too lazy to make the effort. Instead, well just go back a couple of version and stick to that.
What we should be doing is making the next replacement a reusable, flyable, cost efficient etc next generation craft. Something out of Star Trek. But instead, we sit back like a bunch of losers in shop class just passing time until the bell rings.
@Noobs-R-Us: would you rather have 'something out of Star Trek' sucking up NASA's entire budget for decades before any real payoff, or a practical, relatively cost effective method of putting men and payloads into space ASAP? #aresix
@Noobs-R-Us: I don't think NASA engineers would take too kindly to you calling them lazy. perhaps re-read the explanations the others gave you and realize that while cool and everything, the shuttle is an inefficient platform to launch into space. This IS taking what you learned and applying it to the next stage. #aresix
@soulfinger: I don’t think that they thought of the solutions carefully enough. I think they went for the simplest and therefore, cheapest solution. One idea I had was to make another shuttle type vehicle but with lighter weight, then use another vehicle that can reach the outer atmosphere (SR-71 like) to piggy back into space. Certainly that’s got to be safer and cheaper than the current shuttle?
The piggyback shuttle would only need to carry enough fuel to carry it the rest of the way into space which isn’t that far off. It will also then be able to fly back and reused just like the shuttle now.
@Noobs-R-Us: right. because building cars is totally the same thing as rocket science. back on topic, why do you have a problem with cutting ineffeciencies and reducing costs? don't you want a space program that makes sense budgetarily while still being scientifically productive? #aresix
@Noobs-R-Us: Go take physics, then come back and have a discussion. The rocket model has a MUCH higher lifting capacity than a shuttle model, or a piggyback model, or a space plane model. Some of the chief concerns regarding the space planes and the SR71 is weight. If you add the weight of a shuttle to the SR71, it can't reach the outer atmosphere. The space shuttle (and it's model for being a lifter and a maintenance platform) is a money pit. We should put heavy gear into space with lifters like the Ares, as effeciently as possible, while a space plane or piggyback shuttle may be a more viable option for light things like people.
Also, fuck off with that Japanese car crap. They make better cars. They're not as advanced as our space program. We are the most advanced in the space race. We've been by and on and around Mars more than another space program on the planet, and we've launched the farthest flying currently operating probes in the history of man. I'm just stuck wondering if you're just wantonly uninformed, or if you're trolling, because your argument doesn't make a lick of sense. #aresix
@wishnias: No beacuse space is the final frontier. ha ha.
Seriously though, all this space stuff is fantasy to begin with. It's not suppose to make sense "budgetarily." It suppose to push the envelope of human exploration. Anytime you're pushing the envelope, it costs a premium. So, either do it right or don't do it at all because then you're really just wasting money. #aresix
@Noobs-R-Us: wow... just... wow... you're accusing our greatest scientists of not thinking much before spending billions of dollars on manned space exploration, criticize an admittedly 'simple and cheap' solution with no real explanation, and then propose you're genius concept as if you're the first one to think of it? hello? mcfly? #aresix
@wishnias: Yea, what’s so great going back to gen 1? How would you feel if Apple decides to release their gen 3 iPod next year with next year’s parts? Do you call that progress? Apparently you do…. #aresix
@PorkPie: Go take physics? OK Mr. Genius, riddle me this. If we move along the space track at 2 mph and China moves at 6mph, how long before China passes us? Do you get what I’m saying?
So what we’re the most advanced in space? We will be superseded by China in no time if we let NASA run by a bunch of slackers like you who can only think of past glories. And before you open your big trap think of those idiot slackers now in Detroit who are still stuck in the past glory days when they were the most advanced automobile manufacturer in the world. #aresix
@Noobs-R-Us: Your opinion about going "backward" by using a rocket instead of a shuttle is completely uninformed. This debate happened almost a decade ago. You're probably not old enough to remember it.
You probably don't even know that there are five planned rockets. The Aries 1-X is just one of those. The different types of rockets will carry different things. Some will carry people, and some will carry objects. Having five independent platforms for space travel is far more efficient than one gigantic "does all" platform. Its the difference between driving a SUV and a prius. You don't always need an SUV, and many times a prius will fit the job better.
Furthermore your "idea" about having a smaller shuttle on top of the "regular" shuttle is exactly how the shuttle operates. Go back and look at a picture of the shuttle. Its a small craft that sits on top of two gigantic rockets and a fuel tank. It rides those rockets up most of the way, and then jettisons them right before aligning for orbit. So basically, exactly what you described... already happening... which shows how much you really know.
@traviscollins: You’re a funny guy. As a matter of fact, during the 80’s when I was in high school, there was a pilot program (NORSTAR), in Norfolk Virginia where I grew up, that chose talented students from the area’s high schools to participate in designing an experimental payload to go up in the shuttle. My second year in the program was when the Challenger blew up with the first teacher Christa McAuliffe. My program director, Ron Fortunato, was one of the finalist that was competing to be the first teacher in space. He obviously was very disappointed when he didn’t get the slot but I guess he now also feel lucky to not have been chosen. Here’s a link to the project.
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FU MS. I will go with ps3. #xbox
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How is this any different than buying a used car that turns out to be a lemon? It's not the responsibility of Honda to ensure the car still works, that's up to the reseller. #xbox
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Things that are YOUR fault on the other hand... #xbox
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(and yes, I know the media center capabilities & online community of the 360 pick the PS3's butt) #xbox
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Gamestop doesn't check if their consoles work, let alone whether they've been banned from Xbox Live, so any used console from Gamestop would run this risk.
But then again, I've never really supported Gamestop's used sales. Developers get the same money from pirated games as used games, so whats the difference? You're not supporting them in either case. #xbox
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Just go the whole distance and declare that libraries should be burned to the ground because authors only get one sale for an unlimited number of readers.
While you're at it, educate yourself on the First Sale Doctrine.
[en.wikipedia.org] #xbox
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Knowing that you have the option to take a game back to Gamestop (or elsewhere) and get some money for a trade-in adds value and increases the chance of the original purchase. Studies show a significant amount of new games sales at places like Gamestop come back as a trade-in a few weeks later and that person buys the next new release. You think all those people buying the new release would buy as many games without being able to trade-in those they didn't really want to hold on to? #xbox
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Not that there's a huge market for re-enabled xbox 360's. And it would probably take forever. But it would be kinda cool. #xbox
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@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Probably? No. There is no intrusion switch in the 360. lol @ that shit
@chanaz: There's always a reason. #xbox
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Hardware support is a different issue entirely. Questionable to non-existent warranty support is naturally inherent to buying used electronics, but the online service should not be inextricably tied to the device's warranty.
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Same thing held true with Softmods. I know there are more reasons for a ban now, but the policy has always been once a unit was banned, you could not unban it. #xbox
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If MS really cared about anything other than money, it would ban specific users instead of their xboxes, but a banned user can't pay the monthly fee... #xbox
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RROD. I would never touch a damn used 360 just for that one thing. I just couldn't risk it at all.
And yes I am planning on getting a used 05 CTS-V gemcosta, USED.
We all know a CTS-V won't RROD itself. #xbox
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They should be launching the next version of the space shuttle, not a piece of crap rocket that anyone and their grandmothers can make. #aresix
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On the flip side we have the Soviet approach with Soyuz that,while less glamorous, consists of cheaper, mass produced spacecraft that are lighter, simpler, safer, and again...much cheaper.
Replacing the shuttle in all likelihood won't mean building another piece of equipment that complicated, or that cool. It will mean shorter-lifespan capsules atop modern rocket systems.
Anyways, it isn't easy to build a brand new rocket system...just look at SpaceX's awesome record. #aresix
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In technology you usually take your last incarnation and take what you’ve learned from the mistakes and improve on it by making the next version much better. Here, we seem to be saying that we don't have will and are too lazy to make the effort. Instead, well just go back a couple of version and stick to that.
What we should be doing is making the next replacement a reusable, flyable, cost efficient etc next generation craft. Something out of Star Trek. But instead, we sit back like a bunch of losers in shop class just passing time until the bell rings.
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The piggyback shuttle would only need to carry enough fuel to carry it the rest of the way into space which isn’t that far off. It will also then be able to fly back and reused just like the shuttle now.
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Also, fuck off with that Japanese car crap. They make better cars. They're not as advanced as our space program. We are the most advanced in the space race. We've been by and on and around Mars more than another space program on the planet, and we've launched the farthest flying currently operating probes in the history of man. I'm just stuck wondering if you're just wantonly uninformed, or if you're trolling, because your argument doesn't make a lick of sense. #aresix
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Seriously though, all this space stuff is fantasy to begin with. It's not suppose to make sense "budgetarily." It suppose to push the envelope of human exploration. Anytime you're pushing the envelope, it costs a premium. So, either do it right or don't do it at all because then you're really just wasting money. #aresix
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So what we’re the most advanced in space? We will be superseded by China in no time if we let NASA run by a bunch of slackers like you who can only think of past glories. And before you open your big trap think of those idiot slackers now in Detroit who are still stuck in the past glory days when they were the most advanced automobile manufacturer in the world. #aresix
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You probably don't even know that there are five planned rockets. The Aries 1-X is just one of those. The different types of rockets will carry different things. Some will carry people, and some will carry objects. Having five independent platforms for space travel is far more efficient than one gigantic "does all" platform. Its the difference between driving a SUV and a prius. You don't always need an SUV, and many times a prius will fit the job better.
Furthermore your "idea" about having a smaller shuttle on top of the "regular" shuttle is exactly how the shuttle operates. Go back and look at a picture of the shuttle. Its a small craft that sits on top of two gigantic rockets and a fuel tank. It rides those rockets up most of the way, and then jettisons them right before aligning for orbit. So basically, exactly what you described... already happening... which shows how much you really know.
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[ntrs.nasa.gov]
I was the Chief Engineer on that project by the time I left that program. So you have to excuse me if I laugh at some of the comments.