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    Image of Ninety-9 Ninety-9
    12/16/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Can you really call them "Mac Clones?"

    I mean, aren't they just PCs running MacOS in the same way Macs Run Windows? I mean, give and take a little R&D in creating working drivers and an installation work around.

    ASSUMING they bought one copy of boxed MacOS per system they built, the only thing they've disrupted is the EULA, which is technically a crock of sh*t when you consider certain End-user rights are protected by Fair Use. In a sense "Unconstitutional."

    Any OS that I, as an end user, purchase legally, I am protected by my right to modify that OS as I see fit, including drivers, software, workarounds, registry mods, etc. My only limitation is whether or not I am breaking OTHER laws, such as copyright infringement, installing malicious software, or using the system as a tool for other crimes.
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    Image of Louis Wang Louis Wang
    12/16/09

    @Ninety-9: Psystar did infringe copyright though.
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    Ninety-9 promoted this comment Louis Wang was starred Louis Wang was unstarred
    Image of Ninety-9 Ninety-9
    12/16/09

    @Louis Wang: But was it by them simply building a computer with a "Modified OS" or was it because they sold more copies of MacOS than they bought?

    Consider any private computer builder, in fact, commercial ones, too, such as DELL. All of them use modified installers with Windows. Throw in some service packs, hotfixes, drivers, software, put it all into an unattended install, or better yet, hard drive image. Pump out fully working OSs as fast as you can build them.

    Only catch is that if you Sell 100 computers running Windows, you need to purchase 100 licenses.
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    Image of Louis Wang Louis Wang
    12/17/09

    @Ninety-9: They did all of that:
    1) Sold more copies than they bought (infringement)
    2) Sold different copies than were installed (infringement)
    3) Sold modified copies on the systems (infringement)

    Dell has purchased a license that allows them to: 1) Ship without a disc, 2) Ship with a modified OS image, 3) Ship with a preload.

    Psystar has purchased none of those things.
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    Image of fleebailey33 fleebailey33
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Was there any doubt that the apple lawyers would squash them? Nobody needed them anyway, They stole from the opensource community and tried to profit from it. They deserved to die. Tons of alternatives out there for people who wish to tinker, Words can't express how much i hate them.
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    Image of Akibake- Akibake-
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Hold on a sec, Rosa. Your graphic confuses me. If Steve is the Emperor, about to shoot lightning bolts into Psystar, then "logic" would follow that AT&T would intervene at the last second, saving Psystar of its grizzly fate, but mortally wounding itself.

    I never would have imagined AT&T would come to Psystar's rescue. Interesting development!
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    Jrsy Devil's Advocate® promoted this comment Akibake- was starred Akibake- was unstarred
    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    12/15/09

    @Akibake-: No, in this version of the story the Emperor does not die.
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    Image of Akibake- Akibake-
    12/15/09

    @Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: In this version of the story, it seems like Luke, I mean Psystar may not fare as well, though. I bet they're thinking, "I wish I could just curl up in a warm tauntaun right now, and sleep it off."
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    Image of Dogcowsaysmoof Dogcowsaysmoof
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Quoth the Raven, Nevermore.
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment Dogcowsaysmoof was starred Dogcowsaysmoof was unstarred
    Image of ronaldmonster ronaldmonster
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Actually Giz, you got it wrong. They are banned from selling their computers with OSX, but they still have the option to install OSX should their buyers feel the need to.

    In other words, this didn't do shit.
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    Jrsy Devil's Advocate® promoted this comment ronaldmonster was starred ronaldmonster was unstarred
    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    12/15/09

    @ronaldmonster: You may want to re-read this section:

    • Intentionally inducing, aiding, assisting, abetting or encouraging any other person or entity to infringe Apple's copyrighted Mac OS X software.
    • Circumventing any technological measure that effectively controls access Mac OS X, including, but not limited to, the technological measure used by Apple to prevent unauthorized copying of Mac OS X on non-Apple computers.
    • Playing any part in a product intended to circumvent Apple's methods for controlling Mac OS X, such as the methods used to prevent unauthorized copying of Mac OS X on non-Apple computers.
    • Doing anything to circumvent the rights held by Apple under the Copyright Act with respect to Mac OS X.
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    Image of RyaninCalgary RyaninCalgary
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    This is what I don't understand. Why is it Apple can sell OSX only for Apple hardware and Microsoft would be sued for Billions of dollars in damages if it chose to disable Windows install on any manufactures hardware. Imagine if Microsoft decided Windows 8 will only be sold on machines manufactured by Microsoft. There would be a hail storm of anti trust lawsuits heading their way.

    Microsoft can't even bundle a web browser with Windows 7 in Europe without getting sued and Apply can bundles tons of software like Safari in OSX. It's time Apple is brought down a peg. It's becoming a mini monopoly in it's own right.

    Companies like Dell, HP, Sony should be able to offer the OSX operating system on any machine they sell.
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment RyaninCalgary was starred RyaninCalgary was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/15/09

    @RyaninCalgary: That's like complaining that you can't install Playstation Home on your XBox 360. While I often disagree with them, Apple can legitimately and legally sell their proprietary OS to only be used on their hardware.
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    Image of eagles3 speeeedin eagles3 speeeedin
    12/15/09

    @RyaninCalgary: You do not seem to understand this word monopoly. Apple is no where near having complete control over their market. They compete with every hardware manufacturer out there. And have not even a 10% market share. So not only do they not control their field, they are no where near being a monopoly and triggering anti trust.

    Also Microsoft, being a primarily software company would never try to compete directly with Apple. They would be mutilated. Looking at the figures for Xbox failure, should give you some idea as to how that would end. It would make no business sense.
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    DennyCrane promoted this comment eagles3 speeeedin was starred eagles3 speeeedin was unstarred
    Image of RainyDayInterns RainyDayInterns
    12/15/09

    @RyaninCalgary: Ah...as they DO make hardware, they can bundle the two as a unit.

    It is their IP....they don't have to open it up.

    Their "closed" system is clearly not for everyone as they are clearly not a big player by percentage of market share.

    We use them because we need to get things done rather than trying to get things to work.
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    Image of Koztah Koztah
    12/16/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Bad analogy. MacOS is an...OS. Home is a piece of software designed for the Playstation 3 OS. If you can figure out a way to install it and make it run on a 360, you would have to hack the PS3s file system, recode the entire application to run on the 360s architecture and then figure out a way to install your newly crafted software on a 360.

    It wouldn't be a lawsuit waiting at the end for you, but a high-paying job.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Well, it serves 'em right, and this is what should happen to companies who lift the IP of others and redistribute it without first obtaining rights to resell it.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 12/15/09 8:39 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of symbology symbology
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: I believe that applies to every major company out there including Microsoft and Apple (ie-Apple's use of a GUI, mouse, etc.)
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment symbology was starred symbology was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @symbology: Are you talking about PARC? If so that's not exactly the same.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 12/15/09 8:44 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: *cough*iPhone*cough*

    (not flaming, just giving an example that fits)
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @Nathan Obbards: lol, but didn't Apple end up paying Cisco like over 20 million for the name?
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    Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of symbology symbology
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Your right, it's not the same thing since Apple just used the idea and made another product out of it. But if it happened today, Apple wouldn't have stood a chance.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Yeah, they did, but it was after years of bickering and quibbling. I was just throwing up a quick counter ;)
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    Nathan Obbards was starred Nathan Obbards was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @symbology: Jobs made a deal with PARC, in which he would bring in his team to get a look at their work and use the concepts they saw and implement it into their own products, in exchange for a number of shares of Apple.

    I don't think Psystar did anything remotely similar.
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    Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @Nathan Obbards: Well actually, that only helps my point. Apple did not deserve the name 'iPhone' for free, and they too had to pony up the dough for it.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Oh, I agree, I just think all stuff like that should be resolved beforehand.
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    Nathan Obbards was starred Nathan Obbards was unstarred
    Image of The.Smith The.Smith
    12/15/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Well, it's not exactly the same. Psystar legally purchased copies of OSX and installed them.

    Apple just used the name iPhone and then was forced to pay for it.
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment The.Smith was starred The.Smith was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/15/09

    @The.Smith: Psystar purchased the sealed copies that they included with some systems, but that doesn't grant them the right to sell a hacked version, which they got off of a master copy from a Mac in-house, which was used for the Open Mac's preloads. It wasn't just the fact that they were selling unauthorized clones, but that each machine was preloaded off of one master copy over and over again, which is piracy.
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    Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of RJ Demands a Shrubbery RJ Demands a Shrubbery
    12/15/09

    In reply to Apple Nemesis Psystar Permanently Banned From Selling Mac Clones
    Oh, we all know that they'll be back, just like always...
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment RJ Demands a Shrubbery was starred RJ Demands a Shrubbery was unstarred
    Image of The Lab The Lab
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    The radio program This American Life has a very good episode about building a better mouse trap.
    TLDR: there will never be a better mousetrap because the current design is cheap, disposable, extremely effective, and currently benefiting from economy of scale. This thing fails on all those fronts.
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    Image of Xagest Xagest
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    The whole plan is foiled when the mouse chews through the wires...
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    Damn. When you said valves and pneumatics, I was hoping for something a little less conventional-mouse-trappy and a little more No-Country-For-Old-Menny.
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    beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
    Image of kagekiri kagekiri
    12/15/09

    @beercheck: That's actually what I was expecting too: a sensor and a pneumatic piston that just blows a hole in the mouse/rat.
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    Image of Golf_Nut Golf_Nut
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    I was always a Butch and his son fan personally.

    I prefer the only mousetraps. This one is too quiet. Nothing like hearing that snap to know you got the critter.
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    Image of Odin Odin
    12/15/09

    In reply to Do We Honestly Think People Like Those Below Would Join a Pet Mouse Dating Site?
    Dya think they'd object if I brought my cat? Except rather in one of these tube systems I brought it loaded in a catapult?
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    Image of RainyDayInterns RainyDayInterns
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    All these devices do is select for a smarter mouse...
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    RainyDayInterns was starred RainyDayInterns was unstarred
    Image of AndStuff AndStuff
    12/15/09

    In reply to Run, Jerry, Run! The Better Mouse Trap is Here
    The toolmaker I work with and I built a mousetrap. Though 2,500 psi of nitrogen driving a catapult triggered by an electric eye didn't trap the mice. Their exciting high speed flight across the room came to a tragic stop against a wall.
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    Lexicality promoted this comment AndStuff was starred AndStuff was unstarred
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