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Odin
11/12/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
The level of Apple fanboyism in these comments is off the scale.

In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.

Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
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NeoAkira
11/12/09

@Odin: No, Windows 7 doesn't resemble OSX that much, but what it did do was take a lot of the popular features of OSX and integrate them into itself.

Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think that's something that we can all agree happened.
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s8ist
11/12/09

@Odin: As someone who almost exclusively uses Apple products, I couldn't agree more. These kinds of borrowing elements from one to another are pretty much inevitable. It can only benefit the consumer that these companies understand what the customer likes and doesn't like and try to implement the best options available to the user. I also don't think W7 looks much like OS X, and the elements that do seem to be implemented better. I think a lot of this bashing W7 is to make Mac fanboys feel as if their OS is so superior that everyone copies it, meanwhile Snow Leopard doesn't appear to have so much revolutionary appeal to it. #windows7mac
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Odin
11/12/09

@s8ist:
Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.

You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.

I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.

The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.

Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.

It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.

This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:

I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
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diesel828
11/12/09

@Odin: That's your opinion (and an unnecessarily long one at that). #windows7mac
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Hachiken
11/12/09

@Odin: I largely agree. I think this whole thing as approaching a commensalism argument. In most things, if something is demonstrably superior in function it tends to be adopted universally. When M-B introduced antilock brakes on their S-class (lo these many years ago), everyone else scrambled to adopt the technology. Where they copying Mercedes? No, it just works better. I've had Mac and PC machines for years, and the OS's are becoming more and more similar. As the evolution continues, any differences between them will be largely cosmetic. Human function determines OS function, not the other way around. And whether you use Apple or MS, we're all (most of us) human. #windows7mac
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Poop Cooper
11/12/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
What is this obsession with being original all the time? Can't someone just use an existing good idea? #windows7mac
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Chimaera
11/12/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
Didn't see that one coming. *faux shock* #windows7mac
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vladdybear
11/12/09

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LOL, so much Drama with Micro$oft #windows7mac
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Kymeira
11/12/09

@vladdybear: Oh shit, we've got another edgy hipster who replaced the "s" in Microsoft with a $!

That'll teach Microsoft. Because, you know, as a company Microsoft is unique in seeking profit. #windows7mac
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J France
11/12/09

@Kymeira: Shit! Another edgy hipsters having a go at a not-quite-as-edgy-hipster for using an $ instead of "s".

Now someone have a go at me for having a go at him for having a go at that other guy.

Lets troll this thread into an infinite loop. #windows7mac
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Leonce
11/12/09

@vladdybear OH CRAP! That was so clever and unexpected! #windows7mac
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MarClar
11/12/09

@Leonce: This will blow your mind:

APPL€.

Im taking edgy-hip to the next level.
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vladdybear
11/12/09

@Kymeira: Oh don't be jealous. Its not about who makes more money is about who charges $400 for their OS. #windows7mac
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heroineworshipper
11/12/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
Steve Jobless wouldn't have disowned him but fired him after calling him a retard. #windows7mac
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warezIbanez
11/11/09

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In the end... Apple copied from Xerox. /flamewar #windows7mac
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VonFeldt7
11/12/09

@warezIbanez: They didn't necessarily copy it. But either way, it's pretty interesting how many of the technologies we use today (from both MS and Apple) originated from Xerox PARC almost 40 years ago. #windows7mac
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UnderLoK
11/12/09

@VonFeldt7: and X 12-15 years ago...

In the mid 90's there were some bad ass interfaces and window managers for X. I have yet to see something "new" that I didn't see back then. #windows7mac
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PotteryBarnClearanceSale
11/11/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
Who was that guy? 7 is nothing like X and everything else he said was stupid. I'd rather post about Star Trek vs. Star Wars than this. #windows7mac
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totalfixation001
11/11/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
I honestly do not think windows 7 is anything like OSX. If anything they are very different imo. For a Microsoft manager to say that would make any executive at Microsoft get mad.
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stopcrazypp
11/11/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
The important point of this blog post wasn't even mentioned:
"Unfortunately this came from a Microsoft employee who was not involved in any aspect of designing Windows 7."

This is a very important point. This means the original comment was probably just a personal opinion. If the person wasn't even involved in design Windows 7, his comment holds no water; it's about as good as any random guy commenting on the matter (really the only reason why the original article was even news was it seemed like Microsoft's direct admission that Windows 7 cribbed from OSX for UI elements).

And also dead link. Correct link here:
[windowsteamblog.com] #windows7mac
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anarchy7
11/11/09

In reply to Microsoft Disowns Manager For Suggesting That A Mac OS Inspired Windows 7
Someone cant handle the truth.. #windows7mac
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death_cab_for_boobie
11/11/09

@anarchy7: please dont attract a flame war #windows7mac
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CheeseGamer
11/11/09

@anarchy7: You're an idiot. Have you ever used W7, praytell?

I hate to say this about one of our own (gizmodians), but your comment is inaccurate and uninformed. #windows7mac
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Kaiser-Machead
11/11/09

@CheeseGamer: You're falling for it! #windows7mac
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CheeseGamer
11/12/09

@Norbs: Nah, I actually run XP on my MBP and iMac. :P (kidding.)

Windows 7's interface looks a whole lot like window's general theme of interface. Sure it has gloss, but hell, when you have consumer demand for more gloss, you put more gloss! Also, once someone comes up with a good idea, taking it comes naturally.

Random example:
Just because Edison made the lightbulb doesn't mean he make better ones than GE.

For example, Xerox made the Xerox machine. Say ASDFcorp makes a better xerox machine than Xerox.

Would you say "HEY THEY STOLE THAT FROM XEROX! THEY SUCK!"? No, you would go out and buy the ASDFcorp machine and get on with your life. By this theory, I don't get why everyone gets so riled up from the adaptation of good ideas in Windows/Mac.
From a slightly biased windows point of view, the irony is that, if Apple steals a good idea from MS, nobody cares, but vice versa? Flame wars galore! They should be sued! Killed! Explodiated!

It's all horse manure.

@Kaiser-Machead:
It's a tra-- #windows7mac
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Alfie Crow
11/10/09

In reply to Confirmed: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Update Is Missing Atom Support, Breaks Hackintosh
Ok, so I just won't update till someone makes a fix for it. Problem solved. #macosx1062
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BeyondtheTech
11/10/09

@Alfie Crow: That was fast. A workaround is posted, using the 10.6.1 kernel after a 10.6.2 update: [www.meklort.com] #macosx1062
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macpatrik
11/09/09

In reply to Confirmed: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Update Is Missing Atom Support, Breaks Hackintosh
edit: wrong thread
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Bokusatsu_Tenshi
11/09/09

In reply to Confirmed: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Update Is Missing Atom Support, Breaks Hackintosh

Taken from my RSS Reader.
Ok guys, someone care to explain? #macosx1062
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Nathan Obbards
11/09/09

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: The LH article says it still works perfectly with the hackintosh they detailed how to make a little while ago that had a C2D in it. The Giz article is referencing netbook hackintoshes and Atom support. #macosx1062
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williamvalentine
11/09/09

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: I'm guessing that the hackintoshes mentioned on Giz are Atom powered netbooks, whilst the Lifehacker article is on Intel Core 2 Duos and I7s. #macosx1062
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Rosa Golijan
11/09/09

@williamvalentine: Updated for clarification and emphasis on the Intel Atom part. Thank you. #macosx1062
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Aetius
11/09/09

In reply to Confirmed: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Update Is Missing Atom Support, Breaks Hackintosh
I think the real news is that their updates are 0.5GB and even a iTunes update is 93MB. Is this a joke? ZDNet was right, Apple can learn a lot from Windows Update. #macosx1062
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dragon:ONE
11/09/09

In reply to Confirmed: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Update Is Missing Atom Support, Breaks Hackintosh
Why doesn't Apple just overprice a license for anyone to do as they wish? Didn't Apple have a 'clone' machine program back in the 90s where OEMs could license the Mac OS on their own hardware?

They could charge $150 or so for an 'Intel Machine' license compared to the $120 or so for a regular license [I don't mean the $30 Snow Leopard 'update'] for Apple-branded computers and make you agree at the time of sale that Apple is not responsible if it blows up your PC or if it makes you shit your pants.
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Nathan Obbards
11/09/09

@dragon: ONE: I wholeheartedly agree; however, that would mean that Apple would have to start building a more robust kernel, which would begin to affect install size, boot time, etc. Not only that, but they would also begin to face some of the issues MS faces with 3rd party drivers causing BSODs, or in the case of OS X, kernel panics, because people would be building computers with what they view as the best parts. In short, it would undermine many of the supposed ''advantages'' Apple has over Windows and Apple would lose their ability to make smug ads. #macosx1062
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