Considering that my brother have a music studio and does multitrack recording, an iMac would be impossible to use, cause I just can't put an multitrack sound board on it. Unless if is USB (of firewire).
@SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!:
Yep as Far as i know Mac Pro's are still the only thing most professionals will use for serious recording, and i think that's the only people who bought them anyways and people who edit video.
@DiscoD: We don't use a Mac Pro because it is extremely expensive, even more here on Brazil. So, we use a PC. But we do not complain about it. My brother is not really a tech savvy, and he is used to mess around with windows. A new OS would take a while for him to adapt.
Pro sound, video editing, compositing, and 3D still need dedicated cards, and upgrading procs / RAM / cards is still more cost-effective for many budgets... Especially those who buy components in bulk, such as monitors, storage, and memory.
Because the vast majority of PC users are clearly performing all kinds of tasks all at once.
Clearly all PC owners edit photos and video and seed torrents and manage music libraries all at once, and Mac users just check their e-mails and talk to their friends on Facebook. Sort of like me and my mom, respectively. Wait--guess which one of us has a PC?
You're right, though. Most Mac owners don't run multiple juice-sucking programs at once. Neither do most PC owners.
That doesn't really prove much when you recall that most media-related production is performed on Mac platforms. Video and photo editing are pretty damn processor-intensive.
What are marketing and PR using to render their advertisements? Exactly.
@Gundem: Oh, right. Adobe designs their Creative Suite and Digidesign their Pro Tools for Mac OS foremost. Final Cut is quite powerful and, compared to AVID, inexpensive and flexible. Logic is gaining market share against pretty-much-always-used-on-Macs-anyway Pro Tools.
Kind of similar with the new unibody MacBook. The small differences between it and the base MBP are an aluminum case, FireWire port, backlit keyboard, and SD card slot. The processor, RAM, and battery are the same but the hardrive is bigger and it's far cheaper.
It makes it hard to justify the couple extra hundred bucks. Apples updates have been extremely unpredictable in the past couple years with the unibodies and MacBook Pro 13" coming out. Its just not typical for them to have a lower end model blurring their otherwise straight forward distiction from the pricier ones. Same goes with new iMacs of course as stated in the article too.
This is a sign that the laptop and desktop Pros will be updated within the next couple months (if they stick to their past upgrade schedule which obviously needs to be tweaked a little). I just hope they make a decent increase in power over the past updates. Not necessarily for me because I'm not purchasing one any time soon (I'm a poor Apple enthusiast), but it's my job and I do enjoy it when Apple makes it easier with a significant update.
The biggest difference between the iMac and MacPro is that the MacPro is easier to work on.
This may not seem like an issue upon purchase but when you have to hire a Mac tech to fix your computer and it takes twice as long to fix the iMac as it would a normal tower you might think twice on your next purchase.
iMac's are pretty but trying to work on them is the pits..
Does the Mac Pro have Xeon, or just plain Core i7?
Yes, there is a difference. Not one the average "prosumer" type is going to notice, but there is a difference.
To be totally honest, anybody looking for power and/or expandability who doesn't need a Xeon would be best served to stay away from Apple altogether (though I admit, the Core i7 iMac does change the game significantly in that regard).
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@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: If the Core i7 iMac changes the game significantly, wouldn't that mean that people are no longer served by staying away from Apple altogether?
@tvcity6455: Perhaps not quite as far away as before, but I still feel that buying a non-AIO unit from another vendor would buy them much more flexibility and the same or more power at a lower price.
@HeartBurnKid: "Perhaps not quite as far away as before" doesn't really sound like it's "change[d] the game significantly".
Look, if it's your opinion that Apple doesn't serve the a particular market very well, then take that stand and be prepared to defend your opinion. It seems to me like you added the parens about the core i7 iMac in hopes that Apple users wouldn't ask you to further defend your first assertion (something I don't entirely blame you for since the Mac/PC discussions are too often less-than-civil).
Chances are buying a bunch of iMacs to do the job of Mac Pros in a "pro" environment will end up with a lot more hassle than it's worth. Sure, you may spend less for the computers themselves, but if you're using them in a business for profit, you're better off buying something that allows you greater expandability. If you want an "all-in-one" for a business, get a laptop. At least you can take it everywhere.
And it's probably what Apple sees as well. Why sell the Mac Pro for cheaper when people are making money off of them?
For a company that nets $500k a year per operator, $2k on an iMac vs. $6k on a Mac Pro juiced up workstation won't make a huge difference. It's likely Apple knows this.
@aikiwolfie: Very true but I'm a graphic designer and though most of the programs are now on PC too most vendors and print houses are still on Mac's. Makes things easier to just stick with the industry standard.
I too am a PC user also. Built my own a few years ago. A $3000 machine for $1500. Believe me I know but there are just many things in my field, like type setting, that are just easier on a Mac. Now if only it would let me play Team Fortress 2 on it.
@LVP: isn't the ram and hd on the iMac ridiculously easy to replace? step 1) open back, step 2) unplug old ram/hd, step 3) reverse steps with new hardware!
Straight stupid if you're just a casual user. I'm not a fan of Macs. Even less so of iMacs and all-in-one PCs. I want a modular computer; a computer that can have components upgraded at will (think: video card, cpu, Blu-Ray upgrade, etc.) For this, I give the Mac Pro more credit as a machine.
iMacs and all-in-one PCs can go get fucked. Notebooks already depreciate in value and performance fast enough. Why would I want my desktop to fall into the same category?
It's not just "video cards" for pros. What about capture cards? Some people need a good AJA or Blackmagic card.
Sure, there are products like the IO, but they haven't proven (to anyone I personally know) to be reliable enough when cutting HD and outputting to a deck.
I'd say, for the professional broadcast video industry, Mac Pros are still undeniably needed.
Unfortunately, some are stuck being suckered. Anyone who bought into Apple's XSAN setup requires that you have a fiber connection. You can't do that on an iMac. It's also insanely costly to upgrade an entire post house that's on an XSAN.
@bornonbord: Not to mention fibre cards. Pro's often have to connect to storage that's NOT ethernet based and to do that, fiber optics do the trick. Avid Unity is a prime example!
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Another great design, from Honeywell.
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Yep as Far as i know Mac Pro's are still the only thing most professionals will use for serious recording, and i think that's the only people who bought them anyways and people who edit video.
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I never said they were bad. I'd never personally touch them because they don't suit what I want to use my computer for.
If that's trolling well then I better find a bridge.
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Do you honestly think that more 10% of mac owners run multiple juice sucking programs at once?
Or do you honestly think that less 90% of the people who own mac have one for the sake of: iPod, Design, trend?
I think most of us can agree that both of the answers are "No".
11/24/09
Seriously?!
Because the vast majority of PC users are clearly performing all kinds of tasks all at once.
Clearly all PC owners edit photos and video and seed torrents and manage music libraries all at once, and Mac users just check their e-mails and talk to their friends on Facebook. Sort of like me and my mom, respectively. Wait--guess which one of us has a PC?
You're right, though. Most Mac owners don't run multiple juice-sucking programs at once. Neither do most PC owners.
Get your head out of your ass.
11/24/09
You are taking it out of context. The amount of people that do programming and etc. (Technical crafts) on PC and linux is much bigger compared to Mac.
I work at a Social Networking site and have been to many other sites (their offices).
It's always the marketing and PR who use Macs. Development, QA and front all use PCs and Linux (some have like a imac next to them)
Stop being a fanboy and take the mini out of your ass.
11/24/09
That doesn't really prove much when you recall that most media-related production is performed on Mac platforms. Video and photo editing are pretty damn processor-intensive.
What are marketing and PR using to render their advertisements? Exactly.
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You say: "That doesn't really prove much when you recall that most media-related production is performed on Mac platforms."
All the know-nothings use Mac to edit media.
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And we're "know-nothings." Okay. #douchebagalert
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It makes it hard to justify the couple extra hundred bucks. Apples updates have been extremely unpredictable in the past couple years with the unibodies and MacBook Pro 13" coming out. Its just not typical for them to have a lower end model blurring their otherwise straight forward distiction from the pricier ones. Same goes with new iMacs of course as stated in the article too.
This is a sign that the laptop and desktop Pros will be updated within the next couple months (if they stick to their past upgrade schedule which obviously needs to be tweaked a little). I just hope they make a decent increase in power over the past updates. Not necessarily for me because I'm not purchasing one any time soon (I'm a poor Apple enthusiast), but it's my job and I do enjoy it when Apple makes it easier with a significant update.
11/23/09
This may not seem like an issue upon purchase but when you have to hire a Mac tech to fix your computer and it takes twice as long to fix the iMac as it would a normal tower you might think twice on your next purchase.
iMac's are pretty but trying to work on them is the pits..
11/23/09
Yes, there is a difference. Not one the average "prosumer" type is going to notice, but there is a difference.
To be totally honest, anybody looking for power and/or expandability who doesn't need a Xeon would be best served to stay away from Apple altogether (though I admit, the Core i7 iMac does change the game significantly in that regard).
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Look, if it's your opinion that Apple doesn't serve the a particular market very well, then take that stand and be prepared to defend your opinion. It seems to me like you added the parens about the core i7 iMac in hopes that Apple users wouldn't ask you to further defend your first assertion (something I don't entirely blame you for since the Mac/PC discussions are too often less-than-civil).
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And it's probably what Apple sees as well. Why sell the Mac Pro for cheaper when people are making money off of them?
For a company that nets $500k a year per operator, $2k on an iMac vs. $6k on a Mac Pro juiced up workstation won't make a huge difference. It's likely Apple knows this.
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I too am a PC user also. Built my own a few years ago. A $3000 machine for $1500. Believe me I know but there are just many things in my field, like type setting, that are just easier on a Mac. Now if only it would let me play Team Fortress 2 on it.
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#tips
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#lvp
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iMacs and all-in-one PCs can go get fucked. Notebooks already depreciate in value and performance fast enough. Why would I want my desktop to fall into the same category?
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Sure, there are products like the IO, but they haven't proven (to anyone I personally know) to be reliable enough when cutting HD and outputting to a deck.
I'd say, for the professional broadcast video industry, Mac Pros are still undeniably needed.
Unfortunately, some are stuck being suckered. Anyone who bought into Apple's XSAN setup requires that you have a fiber connection. You can't do that on an iMac. It's also insanely costly to upgrade an entire post house that's on an XSAN.
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