@OMG! Ponies!:
I think the beachball clip was a thinly veiled homophobic jab, because it resembles a rainbow and was portrayed with irony, depicted as someone lackadaisical and undecided and superfluous.
The level of Apple fanboyism in these comments is off the scale.
In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.
Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
@Odin: As someone who almost exclusively uses Apple products, I couldn't agree more. These kinds of borrowing elements from one to another are pretty much inevitable. It can only benefit the consumer that these companies understand what the customer likes and doesn't like and try to implement the best options available to the user. I also don't think W7 looks much like OS X, and the elements that do seem to be implemented better. I think a lot of this bashing W7 is to make Mac fanboys feel as if their OS is so superior that everyone copies it, meanwhile Snow Leopard doesn't appear to have so much revolutionary appeal to it. #windows7mac
@s8ist:
Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.
You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.
I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.
The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.
Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.
It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.
This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:
I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
@Odin: I largely agree. I think this whole thing as approaching a commensalism argument. In most things, if something is demonstrably superior in function it tends to be adopted universally. When M-B introduced antilock brakes on their S-class (lo these many years ago), everyone else scrambled to adopt the technology. Where they copying Mercedes? No, it just works better. I've had Mac and PC machines for years, and the OS's are becoming more and more similar. As the evolution continues, any differences between them will be largely cosmetic. Human function determines OS function, not the other way around. And whether you use Apple or MS, we're all (most of us) human. #windows7mac
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: The LH article says it still works perfectly with the hackintosh they detailed how to make a little while ago that had a C2D in it. The Giz article is referencing netbook hackintoshes and Atom support. #macosx1062
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: I'm guessing that the hackintoshes mentioned on Giz are Atom powered netbooks, whilst the Lifehacker article is on Intel Core 2 Duos and I7s. #macosx1062
Why doesn't Apple just overprice a license for anyone to do as they wish? Didn't Apple have a 'clone' machine program back in the 90s where OEMs could license the Mac OS on their own hardware?
They could charge $150 or so for an 'Intel Machine' license compared to the $120 or so for a regular license [I don't mean the $30 Snow Leopard 'update'] for Apple-branded computers and make you agree at the time of sale that Apple is not responsible if it blows up your PC or if it makes you shit your pants.
@dragon: ONE: I wholeheartedly agree; however, that would mean that Apple would have to start building a more robust kernel, which would begin to affect install size, boot time, etc. Not only that, but they would also begin to face some of the issues MS faces with 3rd party drivers causing BSODs, or in the case of OS X, kernel panics, because people would be building computers with what they view as the best parts. In short, it would undermine many of the supposed ''advantages'' Apple has over Windows and Apple would lose their ability to make smug ads. #macosx1062
@Kaiser-Machead: To be honest, I'd rather be running 7 on a netbook anyways. I personally hate notebooks. But... if I had one I'd want it to be running it's native OS. 7 runs great on notebooks, why change it?
@Kaiser-Machead: I'm still hackintoshing my dv10; however, my original intent of making it a single OS computer is out the window. I will now be booting W7 and OS X on it instead of just OS X. #macosx1062
This is a slightly arbitrary and useless test in my mind.
In my mind, the main advantage of Macs is that the hardware and software are both designed in the same place, and are designed to work well with one another - ie, software designed with hardware in mind, hardware with software, etc. There's no guesswork about how OSX will work on any given system, since Apple controls both. Obviously, OSX should be able to outperform any other OS on Apple-built hardware. That's the point.
Read my previous posts and you'll know I love me some Apple - but I'm just trying to fight bias here... Win7 shouldn't be set up to look inferior when the deck is obviously stacked in OSX's favor in this test. #snowleopard
Ok so let me get this straight. All the rabid "im anti apple fanboy and i dont even know why" people who always say that Macs are the same hardware as windows machines just with an apple tax are now saying that the hardware is magical specially made Apple hardware that is somehow "optimized"?
Which is it? Which lie are you going to believe the next time you say it? #snowleopard
@Eulatos: I'm rabid in terms of avoiding bias, that's something grad school has drilled into me time and time again. That said, I agree with you for the most part, though there are a few things, on both sides, that I think should be addressed in the tests, for both sides.
On both sides:
- Why didn't they use identical HDDs? Might you see differences between the performances of the two HDDs?
On the Apple front:
- Was the COD4 optimized for Snow Leopard or was it ported over? If it was ported over, it gives real world results, but it doesn't reveal the real capabilities of Snow Leopard in terms of gaming.
On the Windows front:
- They used two different versions of Quicktime, Quicktime 7 and Quicktime X. Why couldn't they use the same version on both? Additionally, why couldn't they use an open source program that is optimized for both OSs (i.e. Handbrake)? What effect did the differences between the versions have and what differences are present from the fact that Quicktime is optimized for Snow Leopard and ported over to Windows?
- iTunes faces the same optimization question as Quicktime does. Anyone who uses iTunes on a Windows PC will tell you how bad it is compared to how well it runs on a Mac.
- What effect does EFI vs. BIOS have? Windows is typically booted from BIOS rather than EFI and is, as such, optimized for BIOS even though EFI is the better of the two systems.
- What effect does the fact that boot camp is necessary to boot the computer have on boot times and shut down times (though this one I would not be surprised if, at least, the shut down times were spot on)?
- The battery times seem really far off to me, what to degree is this due to drivers? Snow Leopard should get a longer battery life due to how it accesses the HDD, but that seems like quite a severe difference.
I'm sorry that most the questions lie on the Windows side, but when most of the software and hardware is Apple based, it makes things harder to avoid doing so. Also, why didn't Giz mention the Cinebench benchmarks? #snowleopard
@Eulatos: No, the argument would be that Apple has optimized the software to eek out as much as possible from that specific hardware, whereas Microsoft is forced to make an OS that will work with a multitude of hardware configurations.
It's not much of a secret that just doing a basic Windows install is not going to give you the best possible experience, in order to get that you're going to need optimize it for your particular hardware configuration. What you get with a basic install is the best experience across the most hardware. Apple doesn't have this problem, that's the huge advantage of controlling both hardware and software, it's also why they don't offer OSX as a standalone OS like Windows. #snowleopard
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There's only so many winking racist remarks a guy can make before people begin to wonder if the wink isn't just a nervous tic.
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I think the beachball clip was a thinly veiled homophobic jab, because it resembles a rainbow and was portrayed with irony, depicted as someone lackadaisical and undecided and superfluous.
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11/12/09
In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.
Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
11/12/09
Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think that's something that we can all agree happened.
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Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.
You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.
I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.
The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.
Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.
It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.
This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:
I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
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Taken from my RSS Reader.
Ok guys, someone care to explain? #macosx1062
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They could charge $150 or so for an 'Intel Machine' license compared to the $120 or so for a regular license [I don't mean the $30 Snow Leopard 'update'] for Apple-branded computers and make you agree at the time of sale that Apple is not responsible if it blows up your PC or if it makes you shit your pants.
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Least we forget: [oreilly.com] #snowleopard
10/17/09
In my mind, the main advantage of Macs is that the hardware and software are both designed in the same place, and are designed to work well with one another - ie, software designed with hardware in mind, hardware with software, etc. There's no guesswork about how OSX will work on any given system, since Apple controls both. Obviously, OSX should be able to outperform any other OS on Apple-built hardware. That's the point.
Read my previous posts and you'll know I love me some Apple - but I'm just trying to fight bias here... Win7 shouldn't be set up to look inferior when the deck is obviously stacked in OSX's favor in this test. #snowleopard
10/16/09
Which is it? Which lie are you going to believe the next time you say it? #snowleopard
10/16/09
On both sides:
- Why didn't they use identical HDDs? Might you see differences between the performances of the two HDDs?
On the Apple front:
- Was the COD4 optimized for Snow Leopard or was it ported over? If it was ported over, it gives real world results, but it doesn't reveal the real capabilities of Snow Leopard in terms of gaming.
On the Windows front:
- They used two different versions of Quicktime, Quicktime 7 and Quicktime X. Why couldn't they use the same version on both? Additionally, why couldn't they use an open source program that is optimized for both OSs (i.e. Handbrake)? What effect did the differences between the versions have and what differences are present from the fact that Quicktime is optimized for Snow Leopard and ported over to Windows?
- iTunes faces the same optimization question as Quicktime does. Anyone who uses iTunes on a Windows PC will tell you how bad it is compared to how well it runs on a Mac.
- What effect does EFI vs. BIOS have? Windows is typically booted from BIOS rather than EFI and is, as such, optimized for BIOS even though EFI is the better of the two systems.
- What effect does the fact that boot camp is necessary to boot the computer have on boot times and shut down times (though this one I would not be surprised if, at least, the shut down times were spot on)?
- The battery times seem really far off to me, what to degree is this due to drivers? Snow Leopard should get a longer battery life due to how it accesses the HDD, but that seems like quite a severe difference.
I'm sorry that most the questions lie on the Windows side, but when most of the software and hardware is Apple based, it makes things harder to avoid doing so. Also, why didn't Giz mention the Cinebench benchmarks? #snowleopard
10/16/09
It's not much of a secret that just doing a basic Windows install is not going to give you the best possible experience, in order to get that you're going to need optimize it for your particular hardware configuration. What you get with a basic install is the best experience across the most hardware. Apple doesn't have this problem, that's the huge advantage of controlling both hardware and software, it's also why they don't offer OSX as a standalone OS like Windows. #snowleopard