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    Windows Mobile Marketplace App Copy Protection Is a Joke

    Android Marketplace Now Has 5,000 Apps, Direct-to-Bill for Apps Coming

    Windows Mobile's App Sharing Feature Isn't Really Sharing At All

    Stuff You Can't Do on Windows Mobile Marketplace

    Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28

    Windows Mobile Marketplace To Skim 30%, Promises App Approval 'Transparency'

    Zune's Web Gets Direct Audio Podcast Streaming

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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    10/09/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace App Copy Protection Is a Joke
    Reading that MS propaganda doc is amusing:

    1) They actually outright state that the "basic" protection is simply requiring that someone sign in with a Live ID before they can download, then deleting the CAB file. It's phrased to imply that there's more going on, but that's it.

    2) Apparently only a few hypothetical "super-hackers" could possibly work around the protection provided by (1)

    3) The expensive, premium protection is seemingly the same old tie-the-app-to-the-IMEI patching of the binary that everyone and their dog uses, which is probably trivial to hack too.
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    Image of SQLGuru SQLGuru
    10/09/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace App Copy Protection Is a Joke
    I had heard that he was just hijacking the CAB file. It's probably downloading to some temp location. If you make a copy of that CAB while the installer is running, you should be able to then copy the CAB to any other WinMo device. Most of them have a point where they prompt for input (install to device or to card is a good candidate) and you can probably grab it then.

    If they use Pocket IE, then it's very likely in that standard directory. A quick "Chandler" should find the full path. You could probably even write a small app that automatically mirrored any CAB file out of there.
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    Image of SQLGuru SQLGuru
    10/09/09

    @SQLGuru: Here's the "Chandler" search I used to find it: [www.bing.com]

    [blogs.msdn.com]

    "\Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files".

    Anyone with the WinMo app store that can verify this for 6.5?
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    Image of CSX321 CSX321
    10/09/09

    @SQLGuru: Yes, that's basically it. Although to be fair, the documentation spells this out pretty clearly. It also talks about an alternate key-based system that involves adding some code to your program. I think maybe that's not available yet.

    I'm still undecided on whether to submit my software to the Marketplace. I'm not worried about piracy much, as they're only $1.99 apps anyway. But the expense and trouble that seems to be involved in getting things approved is an impediment to individual developers like me.

    I have two apps now in the Samsung App Store. That was very cheap and easy, and it has a pretty good copy protection scheme, tied to the phone's ID.
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    Image of SQLGuru SQLGuru
    10/09/09

    @CSX321: Do you have a good "finger friendly" set of widgets that you use for your app? I have an app that I've started writing, but with no native controls as part of the SDK, I'm torn between continuing working on it and giving up. (I'm more of a function over form guy.) My app is about 90% done in terms of function but only about 10% done in terms of "pretty" -- at least the version I plan on giving away for free. Then I would release a "pro" version with additional features.

    As for piracy, I'm really writing it for me but wouldn't mind a few buck from others who find it just as useful.
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    Image of CSX321 CSX321
    10/09/09

    @SQLGuru: I got started writing stuff for myself, too.

    No, I don't really have a set of controls or anything yet. I have a C# image button class I did for one app. For other things, I just space them so they can be hit easily with a finger. Oh, I also have a form base class with "flick" gesture support and the ability to slide up, down, left, or right between forms. I've pretty much found the limits of what can be done graphics-wise with the .NET 2 CF.

    For my apps I have demo versions that have limited features and nag screens, but no time limit. They can be activated with an RPN key (Handango-style) to full version status. I haven't decided yet whether to put them on Handango, etc. 50% is a lot compared to Samsung's and Microsoft's 30%.
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    Image of GenNove GenNove
    05/23/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile's App Sharing Feature Isn't Really Sharing At All
    The only people mad at this.


    THE DUMB FUCKS WHO HONESTLY THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.


    Think with your brain and not your ass next time.

    WHY WOULD MICROSOFT HURT DEV'S? to please people that no matter what they do will find the smallest thing possible and make it a "I HATE MICROSOFT FOR DOING_____"


    WOW...the stupidity of some people goes further then that guy on youtube that said his favorite color is clear and sometimes he just likes to watch the wind go by...

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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    05/23/09

    @GenNove: I little much, don'tcha think? Care to explain why you think people here were being totally unreasonable?
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    Image of TheWerewolf - Sotto voce TheWerewolf - Sotto voce
    05/23/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile's App Sharing Feature Isn't Really Sharing At All
    You know - this keeps coming up.


    First - the Computerworld article spends more time talking about the App Store than about Microsoft's plans. The entire story is about a comment made at TechEd - and it's not even a quote: it's an interpretation by the writer.


    Then suddenly everyone is getting all excited about this secondhand information as if it's official. Then someone at Microsoft goes 'Geeze - that's not what we meant at all... here's what we actually said/meant.' Then there's the 'they're backpedalling/lying' backlash.


    I know it's nowhere near as entertaining - but why not wait until Microsoft actually *announces* something formally before criticising their 'decision'?

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    Image of LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M
    05/23/09

    @TheWerewolf - Causing headlines!:


    There are LINKS in the article that JUSTIFY this criticism IF you were to read these links and then comment.


    Daniel Bouie, a senior product planner at Microsoft, during a talk last week at the software maker's TechEd conference announced these plans and was obviously authorized to report this news at a conference by Microsoft.


    In a potentially market-changing move, Microsoft Corp. plans to let customers of its upcoming Windows Marketplace for Mobile run purchased applications on as many as five Windows Mobile phones at the same time.


    But it could also allow users to share apps by "authorizing" the phones of close friends and family using the same generation of Windows Mobile phone, said Daniel Bouie.


    When you tell people that they are going to get something and then all the sudden you take it away you are subject to reporting/blogging about the change of plans. Clearly this was a desirable feature and people are disappointed. Do you NOT understand the purpose of journalism?

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    Image of Nick Nick
    05/23/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile's App Sharing Feature Isn't Really Sharing At All
    wait. refunds? we can get a refund on software? what if the box is open? will they just give me a new disk?


    i must commend them on allowing refunds. i think that is a progressive step forward.


    /golf clap

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    Image of Lukasz Fabis Lukasz Fabis
    05/23/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile's App Sharing Feature Isn't Really Sharing At All
    Wait, how is that a liberal definition? I don't get it.
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    Image of madog madog
    05/24/09

    @Lukasz Fabis: Because you can't share something with yourself later on.
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    Image of TheDustball TheDustball
    05/06/09

    In reply to Stuff You Can't Do on Windows Mobile Marketplace
    The way I read the VoIP item (#4) it would allow for Skype or another VoIP app over WiFi. Unless I'm misinterpreting "mobile operator network" and that term includes WiFi.
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    Image of Jason Chen Jason Chen
    05/06/09

    @TheDustball: Yup thanks. Missed that part, added a correction.
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    Image of jcrockerman jcrockerman
    05/06/09

    In reply to Stuff You Can't Do on Windows Mobile Marketplace
    That's not so bad. Apple's App Store works the same way... except with the no VoIP thing
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    Image of tande04 tande04
    05/06/09

    @jcrockerman: Oh yeah?


    Last I checked it was the same and there was a fair bit of net neutrality uproar over it.

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    Image of jcrockerman jcrockerman
    05/06/09

    @tande04: well..I've made calls from my iPhone using Skype over wi-fi to friends in NY.
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    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    05/06/09

    @jcrockerman: It'll be the same here. VoIP through WiFi isn't prohibited, just over the cellular network... just like the iPhone
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    Image of Curves Curves
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    Thats the same facial expression I have while flossing, and I have to tell you, it hurts.
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    Image of frigg frigg
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    ZOMG!!! This is awesome news! I haven't seen the show, and I don't own a Zune, but it's almost impossible not to run out and buy one just to hear none other than David Eick(!!!) talk about what a pleasure it was to work with such a fine and talented cast!
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    Image of ripfire ripfire
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    **Please cross your legs... Please cross your legs... Please cross your legs... Uh not you Edward..**
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_OverSleptThisMorn GitEmSteveDave_OverSleptThisMorn
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    Was I the only one who though Tricia was Brittney Spears there with that crazy smile?
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    Image of Xeno Xeno
    04/22/09

    @When'sUranusDay?_GitEmSteveDave: Blasphemy!
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_OverSleptThisMorn GitEmSteveDave_OverSleptThisMorn
    04/22/09

    @Xeno wishes there was a preview button: Admit:

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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    No one make eye contact with her. She's baring her teeth to show that she feels threatened. Give her some space or she may lash out.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    04/22/09

    In reply to Zune Marketplace Will Have Caprica Extras on April 28
    The expression of intense agony from holding that Zune box in public is pretty obvious. And you call yourself an actress?
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    Image of Linux Chief hardware engineer Linux Chief hardware engineer
    03/11/09

    In reply to Windows Mobile Marketplace To Skim 30%, Promises App Approval 'Transparency'
    Epic Fail.
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    Image of technical difficulties technical difficulties
    03/11/09

    @Linux Chief hardware engineer: does trolling ever get old to you?
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    Image of Linux Chief hardware engineer Linux Chief hardware engineer
    03/11/09

    @stupid jerk:

    Yet im the one posting on topic about a relevant post...
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    Image of Qwertyfreak Qwertyfreak
    03/11/09

    @Linux Chief hardware engineer: No, you simply said epic fail. You didn't explain why it was an epic fail, or what was an epic fail, you simply said epic fail. That's still trolling, buddy.
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    03/11/09

    @Faceless Internet Commenter:


    2nded.


    @Linux Chief hardware engineer:


    dude, you can do better. we believe in you.

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