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nutbastard
03/09/09

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Damn. "Not dimmable".
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Lite: hates Illinois Nazis
03/09/09

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So, it is so hot that it requires a heatsink built into the bulb itself.

Now, call me silly but heat rises, and I don't think most recessed ceiling light balasts are designed to handle a lot of heat. In fact, they tend to be rather flaky on their own as it is.

Not to mention non recesses ceiling lights tend to have nice glass bowl covers over them that also trap heat from bulbs rather nicely.

This seems limited use at the moment...
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IN THE FACE!
03/09/09

@Lite's Posse: Is on Broadway: It's not because LED bulbs produce more heat than an incandescent/CFL, but rather it is because the LEDs are on a circuit board, so the board/LEDs/Transformer/etc. need to be kept cooler than other types of light bulbs (incandescent or CFL), thus the necessity of a heat sink.
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whootowl
03/09/09

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I expect these LED bulbs to initially cost 30x more than standard light bulbs, and they'll actually burn out after just a year or two, manufacturer claims notwithstanding.
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IN THE FACE!
03/09/09

@whootowl: Thanks, spreading FUD is a noble calling. No, wait...
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iomatic, hey, I'm an idiot, but I'll comment anyway
03/09/09

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LED bulbs are pretty close in color temperature to tungsten. I have one here as an experiment in my kitchen.

The only snag with LEDs is that you can't dim them, well, probably not without converting to DC and a very expensive switch, or an expensive AC potential meter. I think I have that right (not an electrical engineer.)
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IN THE FACE!
03/09/09

@iomatic: RTFA, the bulb pictured is dimable with a standard AC dimmer switch.
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RiceBandit
03/09/09

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See, it's situations like this where it makes me wonder why corporations like GE didn't come out with these first. The post office blew it when they didn't capitalize on the concept of email, then Blockbuster f'ed up and pretty much handed over their market to NetFlix.
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@RiceBandit: WHAT?!?! So you are saying the post office invented email, and let the idea get away with them? What about the telegraph blowing it when they handed the market over to the post office?
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MetallicaRat
03/09/09

@PirateCaptain_GitEmSteveDave: The Pony Express blew it when they invented the telegraph and open sourced it.
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@MetallicaRat: Went a lot better than when they open sourced the horse. And you thought they smelled bad on the outside.
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Nick Dina
03/09/09

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how did they get it to stand up like that?
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@Nick Dina: wires. tiny invisible people. magic. photoshop.
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Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
03/09/09

@Nick Dina: Why they rotate and balance it, just like your car tires..
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frigg
03/09/09

@Nick Dina: The have to take the picture at the exact moment of the vernal equinox.
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@frigg: on the equator.

@Jrsy Devil's Food Cake®: i heard they spun it like a top and used really high speed film so there was no blur. It also has a gyroscope installed.
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sheeeillaaa
03/09/09

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Energy saving lightbulbs make a room look awful. Halogen Bulb Colour! wooo
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IN THE FACE!
03/09/09

@sheeeillaaa: They have been making day-spectrum CFLs for years. (and more recently Day Spectrum LEDs as well)

Factual Correctness, your comment has none.
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Tristan Smith
03/09/09

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why do all these LED light bulbs have such large heat sinks? Don't LEDs produce less heat than standard incandescent ones? are they just not as good at dissipating heat?
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@rndmideas: The higher output LED's put out a good amount of heat which you need to dissipate so you don't fry the electronics. That's why most high power LED flashlights using Luxeon type LED's are made of aluminum.
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OMG! Bacon!
03/09/09

@rndmideas: I don't think that's a heat sink. More like a sheath to make it look like the Ferrari of light bulbs.

And yes, the less wattage put into a light bulb of equal light output means less heat. That's the problem with the 60 watt incandescent bulbs....you get X amount of watts of light, and 60-X worth of heat. X is probably a low single digit number.
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Hello Mister Walrus
03/09/09

@phoenix27: It's actually an orange juicer. People aren't going to buy light bulbs that do only one thing. Come on.
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Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement
03/09/09

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I know this may be a stupid question for some, but can we get information on the brightness these lights produce. CFL's are crap when it comes to lighting up even a small room. Sure, you're supposedly saving moving from the lesser wattage used. However, what's the point if you're having to use 4 or 6 lamps to give off the same amount of light a halogen bulb does.

Also, light bulb hours should only matter in DLP televisions. If you can't afford a $3 bulb once every 6 to 12 months, you shouldn't be living on your own paying rent or a mortgage
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement: I have no clue what kind of CFL's you are using, or if you are just basing your hatred on what people say. I replaced the lights in the 5 light chandelier in my living room, which were 40watts. I stuck in 13watt CFL's, which are 60W equivalents. So for the power of less than two of the original bulbs, my whole living room shines 150% brighter. Even if you don't believe me, the CFL's have Lumen ratings on them. Those are hard numbers.

As for lifetime, I use Home Depot bulbs. If they blow before the guarantee on the box, you call up an 800#, read the code off the bulb, and they send you brand new ones, FOC. You then bring the dead ones back to HD, and they recycle them for free. But you're right, I should just throw money away every 6-12 months, rather than SAVE it. We don;t need to save money.
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Kaiser-Machead
03/09/09

@PirateCaptain_GitEmSteveDave: Ditto. The standalone light in the living room is just one CFL coil bulb, and that thing lights up the entire room quite nicely. Every bulb in our place is CFL as well, and they've been burning bright for over a year and a half now and not a single burnout yet.
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jun2san
03/09/09

@Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement: I think bulb hours matter a lot of you want to try to cut down on the amount of waste bulbs produce.

Also, the light that LEDs produce have a more natural look to them. I really can't explain it, you have to see it yourself to get an idea of the difference.

Another plus is that you can easily change the color of an LED light or even make it strobe. WOOT WOOT!
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Persistence
03/09/09

@PirateCaptain_GitEmSteveDave: Yah, Deadhouseplants must be smoking dead house plants. I can't even handle 4-5 60 watt equivalent CFL's in a chandelier. It's blindingly bright. 3 60 watt equivalent lamps in our modest living room is plenty of light. I have friends who refuse to buy CFL's "because the flickering gives them a headache" which was true. . . a decade ago. People need to get with the times, there's no excuse to waste electicity with standard bulbs. Besides which, the less you put into lighting, the more you can justify that super powerful computer with 20 peripheral devices :p I've been waiting for the LED because of even less power consumption, and in some cases 2 decade lifespan (lighbulbs you can inherit)! Also, at home "despot" the other week I bought a "party" CFL (red bulb) for about $.80 more than an incandescent. Soon we won't even have "standard" bulbs anymore so might as well get used to CFL's and LEDs.
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IN THE FACE!
03/09/09

@Persistence: Whenever the mainstream adopts a new technology there will always be some Luddite from the tin-foil hat brigade that has to talk some smack whenever the topic comes up.

I prefer to just let the cave-trolls wallow in their own ignorance.
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Davy Grolton
03/09/09

@PirateCaptain_GitEmSteveDave:

Which ones do you buy? the N:vision ones? ([www.homedepot.com])

I have a few that blew before the warranty, but i know its bad to throw them away since they have mercury in them, so i threw them in my closet.

AFAIK, you can go to www.lamprecycle.org to find out how to recylce the bulb, but it just links you to your states recycling department.

But if it blows/you need to recylce it, you can bring it back to HD?
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@Persistence: I saw those too! I was trying to find an excuse to get either the green or red one, but couldn't, even though green would go with my network cable setup, and red would make me feel like I was on Red October. The blacklight one was never an option, as I have a 48" blacklight above my bed, which lights up the bedroom AND my office at once.
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Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement
03/09/09

@jun2san: CFL's have traces of mercury in them. Which is leaves more of a damaging trace to the environment that incandescent bulbs. Now you're saying, but they last a long time. Meaning less people throw them away. Wrong, two factors come into play. Just because they're not being thrown out now, doesn't mean they won't be thrown out in the future. Also, keep in mind that the world's population is around 6.8 billion right now, with a doubling rate of around 18 to 24 years. That's a lot of light bulbs, and too much mercury in our landfills not to be worried about.
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GitEmSteveDave_HatesFriday
03/09/09

@Davy Grolton: Yeah, call the 800# on the bulb and see if they are still "in warranty". Then bring them to HD and they will recycle them. [consumerist.com]

@Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement: Home Depot offers bulbs in three temps. Bright White, Soft White, and Daylight. They are all different "lights". They should have some demo bulbs set up at Home Depot to judge the difference. Seriously, they are usually on sale, but a six pack for under $9.00, and try some of the current generation bulbs. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
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sos10
03/09/09

@Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement: The amount of mercury is very low and if properly disposed, it will be recycled. Incandescent light bulbs end up in landfills too, only much more of them. Using CFL's reduces the amount of energy necessary to light up your house and because they last longer, less of them have to be produced and transported, that also helps to reduce impact on the environment and your wallet.

LED's are the next step, and an even better one since they consume close to nothing and have an incredible lifespan.

The problem with LED's at the moment is that there are many kinds of them, they all differ in light quality and the way the are powered etc. An International Standard has to be made up soon, but since the technology is still evolving, it is a difficult task.
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Gann
03/09/09

@Deadhouseplants Started the Anti-Facebook Movement: Philip's website shows the E27 (pictured above) in several models, outputting 150 to 230 lumens. That's approximately equivalent to a 25W bulb.
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daftrok
03/09/09

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It would be nice if there was a dial that lets you adjust the color of the light from white to yellow (maybe even bug light yellow?)
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Noah Mayer
03/09/09

@daftrok:

I think there is a future in designer bulbs that have other color LEDs integrated into them, and using a special remote you can change it to any desired color. You know, for high-end homes.
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daftrok
03/09/09

@Noah Mayer:

I would like it simply because you can use one bulb for multiple applications. Change it to bug yellow and you have an outdoor light that doesn't attract bugs. Change it to white for the kitchen, garage and laundry room and a soft yellow glow for the rest.
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Gann
03/09/09

@daftrok: Color kinetics does that:

[www.colorkinetics.com]

It's prohibitively expensive, but really cool.
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aprather
03/09/09

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I will buy these on design alone. Possibly even putting one in a case. I will then buy cheaper bulbs to light the case.
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JEmlay
03/09/09

@aprather:
You do know that's a concept image? It's not actually going to look like that. I'm sure the metal will come off much different.
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drewdrawsLA
03/09/09

@JEmlay: Um, did you read the post? Not a concept, already on sale in parts of Europe.
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JEmlay
03/09/09

@DrewDraws303.25bhp:

Um, did you read my comment? The image on this page is a concept image.

Like I said, the actual product will look different from the IMAGE ON THIS PAGE. Gee, I guess I didn't spell it out enough for the less powered.
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drewdrawsLA
03/10/09

@JEmlay: When was the last time you saw a product pic that wasn't shot in a studio? This is not a CONCEPT IMAGE, just a nice studio photo.

All products are shot these days with the aid of CG and lighting, but since these are already ON SALE, those with them in their house (like @Pressure) can tell you that they WON'T look different.

See? I have CAPS LOCK too.
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