Do we expect these to lower the prices of memory beyond the usual results of technology decreasing in cost over time? Small gadgets, absolutely - but I am not certain I see how it will change the pricing picture any further than it would normally. #samsungflashmemorychip
If this is both as good as flash, but as fast as DRAM, could we seen an evolution in computing architecture? Imagine, if you will, a world where hard drives and RAM are the same thing. If you wanted more "RAM" for your system, you just partition off larger chunks of your drive to be used.
Not to mention the savings in the board architecture since you wouldn't need the bridge to the RAM and the connection to the hard drives.
I hope it doesn't use the shitty keychain connector the other flash voyagers use. The neoprene ones always tear on me, and this thing you don't want to lose. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
I want a USB drive that is split up and has a physical switch that toggles between the volumes, and lets you hot-swap between them when in an OS.
I've got a bunch of bootable USB images that don't co-exist well on the same drive, but I don't want to have to carry around a bunch of separate drives. I have considered micro/mini/SDHC cards and a compact USB adapter, but it would be a little too expensive...
I've seen old MemorySticks that were split up between two physically separate memory chips, that used a toggle to switch between the two, why can't someone do this with a USB drive?
I would love one that was 8x4 = 32GB total. Four 8GB images on a single device would rock!
And I would be willing to pay a decent premium over a drive with similar size/speed.
@IN THE FACE!: You know, you can do the exact same thing by creating separate partitions, and you won't even need the damned switch, either.
What I do want to see is Flash drives with large storage, but also with an expansion slot that accept SD cards for additional storage. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
The size isn't really a big deal. Fitting in your pocket, as you said, is really the only big deal. If it's sitting docked in your USB drive, who cares if it's an extra inch wide/long?
Also, I think it's a good thing that you did the testing with all your other apps open -- the consumer using this thing is going to be transferring things to/from it, so it's not like they're going to have all their apps closed, anyway. Keepin' those apps open makes it a more realistic test. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
Cry over losing it? Heh... I would cry if I lost that fancy cap. God knows what I would do if I lost the whole shebang. Of course, after that, I would probably find the cap for it. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
Wow, look how puny that USB end is - it's like having the worlds largest baby bottle but with a normal sized nipple on it. Just looks wrong. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
Intel tried to push to market a fast, new, proprietary memory format a few years back...it was called RD-RAM...and that was a cluster ef. Why would this be any different than that? Not to mention IA-64, Netburst, etc. #intelphasechangingmemory
@kylecpcs: First, Intel never owned the rights to RDRAM, they licensed it from Rambus who apparently was a pretty horrible technology partner. Their stiff fees and requirements caused Intel and the rest of the industry to eventually dump them.
Second, RDRAM was a *volatile* memory like pretty much every other kind of DRAM. Fast, but you turn the power off and you lose data. This new tech will allow you to have DRAM speeds *and* have the ability to turn the power off. It's not just a competing technology like RDRAM was to SDRAM, it's a memory evolution. Also, this new memory will allow read/write lifetimes on par with SDRAM (or perhaps exceeding it) meaning that all the drawbacks of flash memory are eliminated. Finally it will be possible to truly replace spinning drives with a superior technology. #intelphasechangingmemory
@Lukasz Fabis: Expense doesn't really enter into it. They forced it as a standard (and it was a type of technology, just like DDR) and now I have to deal with clients looking for additional memory for their PC that was only used in half a generation of P4's for about 6 months then died. #intelphasechangingmemory
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No, a general type of technology would be something akin to a 32 nm die process, or a particular technique for storing data on optical media, or the difference between DRAM and 1T DRAM.
RDRAM was a proprietary standard of dynamic RAM made by the Rambus Corporation. Netburst was a particular CPU architecture based on the x86 instruction set. IA-64 is a particular instruction set.
We're talking about apples, oranges, and apple smoothies here. Phase-change memory isn't some proprietary rehash of existing standards that's just bound to suck money out of consumer's pockets, and it's not some new competing standard to stir up the status quo. This is a fundamental change in the underlying technology of solid state data storage. Once it becomes viable for mass production, you can bet it will be compatible with existing hardware, in this case, most likely as a USB drive or an SATA SSD.
So yes, expense has everything to do with it. It will likely have a high initial expense, as most things do, and when production scales up and production techniques are refined, prices will reach more accessible levels. #intelphasechangingmemory
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@mattycakes: Like this...
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Not to mention the savings in the board architecture since you wouldn't need the bridge to the RAM and the connection to the hard drives.
Food for thought. #intelphasechangingmemory
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Imagine being able to power down your devices and go back to exactly where you left off microseconds after turning them back on.
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I've got a bunch of bootable USB images that don't co-exist well on the same drive, but I don't want to have to carry around a bunch of separate drives. I have considered micro/mini/SDHC cards and a compact USB adapter, but it would be a little too expensive...
I've seen old MemorySticks that were split up between two physically separate memory chips, that used a toggle to switch between the two, why can't someone do this with a USB drive?
I would love one that was 8x4 = 32GB total. Four 8GB images on a single device would rock!
And I would be willing to pay a decent premium over a drive with similar size/speed.
Somebody do it, dammit! #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
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What I do want to see is Flash drives with large storage, but also with an expansion slot that accept SD cards for additional storage. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
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Also, I think it's a good thing that you did the testing with all your other apps open -- the consumer using this thing is going to be transferring things to/from it, so it's not like they're going to have all their apps closed, anyway. Keepin' those apps open makes it a more realistic test. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
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Sums up my feelings nicely. #corsairflashvoyagerusb128gb
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The difference here is that this is a general type of technology and not one proprietary product.
Hard drives and flash memory were both rather expensive in their respective infancies as well. #intelphasechangingmemory
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Second, RDRAM was a *volatile* memory like pretty much every other kind of DRAM. Fast, but you turn the power off and you lose data. This new tech will allow you to have DRAM speeds *and* have the ability to turn the power off. It's not just a competing technology like RDRAM was to SDRAM, it's a memory evolution. Also, this new memory will allow read/write lifetimes on par with SDRAM (or perhaps exceeding it) meaning that all the drawbacks of flash memory are eliminated. Finally it will be possible to truly replace spinning drives with a superior technology. #intelphasechangingmemory
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No, a general type of technology would be something akin to a 32 nm die process, or a particular technique for storing data on optical media, or the difference between DRAM and 1T DRAM.
RDRAM was a proprietary standard of dynamic RAM made by the Rambus Corporation. Netburst was a particular CPU architecture based on the x86 instruction set. IA-64 is a particular instruction set.
We're talking about apples, oranges, and apple smoothies here. Phase-change memory isn't some proprietary rehash of existing standards that's just bound to suck money out of consumer's pockets, and it's not some new competing standard to stir up the status quo. This is a fundamental change in the underlying technology of solid state data storage. Once it becomes viable for mass production, you can bet it will be compatible with existing hardware, in this case, most likely as a USB drive or an SATA SSD.
So yes, expense has everything to do with it. It will likely have a high initial expense, as most things do, and when production scales up and production techniques are refined, prices will reach more accessible levels. #intelphasechangingmemory
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"Re-route the main computer's Phase-changing Memory Array through the EPS conduits!" Yeah... that'll work. #intelphasechangingmemory
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