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I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 I used to use as a portable workstation. It was good enough that I could install Oracle 9i server on a virtual machine, then run the client on my main Windows installation and connect to it to do some database sandbox work...
Then I got an OLPC XO-1. Not even 450MHz - a single core AMD Geode CPU, and 256 MB of RAM. Usually when I travel I take the XO because it's so small and light, but still good enough to run a web browser. Actually, now I usually just take my iPod Touch and something that can charge it like the XO.
So... I'm really not saying I want my 15" screen back. I do have a full-size desktop for "serious" work, but for mobile computing, I find it's much better to emphasize the "mobile" than the "computing" half of the equation.7
I use a netbook, the eee 901 with upgraded ram and SSD. The ram helped speed, but the SSD upgrade really was the biggest upgrade to "double-click lag". I do my writing on it as well, which is surpringly not terrible. I SSH and VNC into a eight-cpu linux server to do all my high performance computing.
Incidentally, I used to have a 12" laptop. It was small at the time, but it sucked to travel with. This netbook is the easiest computer ever to travel with. It's like a normal sized hardcover book.
Netbooks have their place. I know for a fact that having a netbook would help my dad at his job with the meetings he has to be able to type notes and use outlook for email easily. It'd be better than carrying a 17" notebook around
No, there's no "imposed" limitation. Performance doesn't mean anything if the screen is still 10" or smaller. Netbooks are tiny by definition, and not your primary computer.
Personally, I think netbooks are a fad. People will prefer low end laptops over netbooks.
a piece of dirty insincere marketing. of course, 15'' notebooks are cool, cos they are expensive and have higher profit margin; and win 7 + office 2010 are even cooler, as long as you don't forget to shell out for "all the latest hardware" to Mr Dell.
@Eruanno: Netbooks are awesome because they're small and fast enough. I went from using a 15" MBP as my only computer, to carrying an 8.9" netbook everywhere I go and using a desktop at home.
It's really hard to overstate how nice the portability of a netbook compared to a 15" notebook really is if you're constantly on the go.
Headline: "Michael Dell Trashes Netbooks, Loves Windows 7"
Well, if *Michael Dell* says it, it must be the untainted gospel. After all, he has such an unblemished track record when it comes to predicting consumer behavior. Here is one who never, ever puts his foot in his mouth.
You doubt? Witness -
October 6, 1997:
At the Gartner Symposium and ITxpo97, Michael Dell added his voice to the chorus when asked what could be done to fix Apple [then troubled financially].
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders," Michael Dell said before a crowd of several thousand IT executives.
I've been in love with netbooks ever since the original EeePC 701. I've currently got a Dell Mini 9 and my only regret is that Dell is discontinuing the model (and the 8.9" form factor alltogether).
Dell didn't really trash the netbook in that quote. He pretty much said what I'd have to agree with. Netbooks aren't bad, but I like the size and portability of my Inspiron 15. It's not too heavy, and the screen isn't too small to work off of.
@Leonce: I would agree. I've told anyone that asks that a netbook is not a first computer. The person who gets a netbook is looking for a device they can take around easily and use it to "kill time", not do "real work". It's great for taking notes (that are later beefed up into something at a real computer), they are great for surfing the web while on the go, they are great for watching media wherever you are.
But when you want to do a significant amount of work, you'll want to be at a desktop or a full sized laptop. I'd like to see netbooks include some really good integrated syncing software so that anything I do on my netbook automatically syncs to the computer where I'll actually work on it.
@SQLGuru: Can't agree with this: "The person who gets a netbook is looking for a device they can take around easily and use it to "kill time", not do "real work"."
While my netbook does get used for a lot of screwing around, part of the reason I love it is that it's a bit easier to deal with when I'm at a customer's site. Having a sub 3lbs device I can hold in one hand in a cramped server room and pull up any notes or network diag tools I need makes my life a good bit easier.
@Slack3r78: Plus, since I take it everywhere, I'll cry a lot less if someone breaks into my car and swipes the cheap little netbook rather than a full fledged laptop.
Given the time of this post and the completely deranged conclusions reached, I'm going to have to conclude that this was a case of BWI. Wilson, perhaps you should consider getting some sort of Blog Goggles system in place.
If one theme seems to be recurring throughout the tech industry, it's the Hail Mary Pass.
When the season is on the line, you're down by 6, sitting on your own 19 with no time outs and there's 4 seconds on the clock, the only thing you can do is drop into the shotgun and send everyone long.
You'll either end up a legend or your season will be over.
Bank on one thing and hope that it will pull you through to the next cycle. It doesn't matter if you're Palm and you're banking on the Pre or Motorola and trying to find some focus in a marketplace that left you behind (sorry Lindsay) or newspapers trying to find one last way to actually get people to pay for something they get for free.
When HP just sold printers and Gateway failed by having a good idea and a horrible implementation, Dell was at the top of the heap. But then HP and Compaq merged and ditched the horrible name that Compaq had and Apple started stepping up its ads and dropping its prices.
Dell has the business sector. But, if this week's recent economic data is any indicator, things are bad. Commercial loans that got packaged into derivative products are failing, threatening a new round of economic woes, and commercial landlords are in danger of defaulting on their mortgages because the market for retail and office space tanked.
Dell needs a Hail Mary pass. It lost the home user and it needs to give the business sector a reason to buy.
@OMG! Ponies!: I agree with you to an extent but at the same time, I think your looking a little deep into why Windows 7 is popular with techies. The main reason is that it was offered up for free. Not because it's necessarily that good. I'm not saying its not good either, its actually the first Microsoft product (other than the ZuneHD) that really interests me in the past 12 to 14 years.
Microsoft knows only partially how to sell software. The reason I say partially is because of how bad the advertising and marketing area goes. I was heavy on the news with the new ad surge put in place by Microsoft a little over a year ago, and my friend is one of the leads at CP&B. I couldn't wait to hear about the new campaigns since I'm in a similar field myself, and although some of the ads were good, the over all effect according to CP&B was under par. Of course no ones going to tell you that straight up though.
I totally agree on the Dell and HP stance though. Hit the nail on the head with that.
(sorry for branching two of your comments into one response :x)
@weatherman: I don't think your looking at this as the general consumer would. Either way, in the end we won't truthfully know how well Windows 7 does until a few years into the game. It was the same with Vista. We never really knew until a lot of bad reviews and hype poured down from consumers. The initial news will be that they sold *aka shipped to Dell, HP, Gateway, Acer and so forth* so many millions of copies.
@imTheKing: The Seinfeld/I'm A PC/Mojave/Lauren ads are high-profile but they are certainly not the Microsoft's only ads.
Watch Sunday morning news programs. That's where you see what Microsoft really does: sell software solutions for businesses of all sizes. Those ads are far more lowkey and, to my eye, a bit more artistic. And Apple has no ads targeting that market. Dell has reason to bank on Microsoft and the business market.
Personally, I don't know what the big deal is with the cost of buying Windows. Every version of Windows I've had was pre-installed. The cost is built into the cost of the computer.
Everyone focuses on the Lauren ad vs. the Justin Long ads. But the real competition is between Microsoft and enterprise companies like SAP.
10/15/09
Then I got an OLPC XO-1. Not even 450MHz - a single core AMD Geode CPU, and 256 MB of RAM. Usually when I travel I take the XO because it's so small and light, but still good enough to run a web browser. Actually, now I usually just take my iPod Touch and something that can charge it like the XO.
So... I'm really not saying I want my 15" screen back. I do have a full-size desktop for "serious" work, but for mobile computing, I find it's much better to emphasize the "mobile" than the "computing" half of the equation.7
10/14/09
Incidentally, I used to have a 12" laptop. It was small at the time, but it sucked to travel with. This netbook is the easiest computer ever to travel with. It's like a normal sized hardcover book.
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Personally, I think netbooks are a fad. People will prefer low end laptops over netbooks.
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A notebook screen should not go below 13 inches and not above 17.
10/14/09
It's really hard to overstate how nice the portability of a netbook compared to a 15" notebook really is if you're constantly on the go.
10/14/09
Well, if *Michael Dell* says it, it must be the untainted gospel. After all, he has such an unblemished track record when it comes to predicting consumer behavior. Here is one who never, ever puts his foot in his mouth.
You doubt? Witness -
October 6, 1997:
At the Gartner Symposium and ITxpo97, Michael Dell added his voice to the chorus when asked what could be done to fix Apple [then troubled financially].
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders," Michael Dell said before a crowd of several thousand IT executives.
October 14, 2009:
DELL - 15.31
market cap - 29.94B
AAPL - 190.02
market cap - 170.22B
Michael Dell... futurist and innovator.
10/14/09
Not everybody wants to lug around an 8 lb laptop.
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But when you want to do a significant amount of work, you'll want to be at a desktop or a full sized laptop. I'd like to see netbooks include some really good integrated syncing software so that anything I do on my netbook automatically syncs to the computer where I'll actually work on it.
10/14/09
While my netbook does get used for a lot of screwing around, part of the reason I love it is that it's a bit easier to deal with when I'm at a customer's site. Having a sub 3lbs device I can hold in one hand in a cramped server room and pull up any notes or network diag tools I need makes my life a good bit easier.
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'probably hurts from all that reaching.
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05/29/09
When the season is on the line, you're down by 6, sitting on your own 19 with no time outs and there's 4 seconds on the clock, the only thing you can do is drop into the shotgun and send everyone long.
You'll either end up a legend or your season will be over.
Bank on one thing and hope that it will pull you through to the next cycle. It doesn't matter if you're Palm and you're banking on the Pre or Motorola and trying to find some focus in a marketplace that left you behind (sorry Lindsay) or newspapers trying to find one last way to actually get people to pay for something they get for free.
When HP just sold printers and Gateway failed by having a good idea and a horrible implementation, Dell was at the top of the heap. But then HP and Compaq merged and ditched the horrible name that Compaq had and Apple started stepping up its ads and dropping its prices.
Dell has the business sector. But, if this week's recent economic data is any indicator, things are bad. Commercial loans that got packaged into derivative products are failing, threatening a new round of economic woes, and commercial landlords are in danger of defaulting on their mortgages because the market for retail and office space tanked.
Dell needs a Hail Mary pass. It lost the home user and it needs to give the business sector a reason to buy.
05/29/09
Microsoft knows only partially how to sell software. The reason I say partially is because of how bad the advertising and marketing area goes. I was heavy on the news with the new ad surge put in place by Microsoft a little over a year ago, and my friend is one of the leads at CP&B. I couldn't wait to hear about the new campaigns since I'm in a similar field myself, and although some of the ads were good, the over all effect according to CP&B was under par. Of course no ones going to tell you that straight up though.
I totally agree on the Dell and HP stance though. Hit the nail on the head with that.
(sorry for branching two of your comments into one response :x)
@weatherman: I don't think your looking at this as the general consumer would. Either way, in the end we won't truthfully know how well Windows 7 does until a few years into the game. It was the same with Vista. We never really knew until a lot of bad reviews and hype poured down from consumers. The initial news will be that they sold *aka shipped to Dell, HP, Gateway, Acer and so forth* so many millions of copies.
05/29/09
Watch Sunday morning news programs. That's where you see what Microsoft really does: sell software solutions for businesses of all sizes. Those ads are far more lowkey and, to my eye, a bit more artistic. And Apple has no ads targeting that market. Dell has reason to bank on Microsoft and the business market.
Personally, I don't know what the big deal is with the cost of buying Windows. Every version of Windows I've had was pre-installed. The cost is built into the cost of the computer.
Everyone focuses on the Lauren ad vs. the Justin Long ads. But the real competition is between Microsoft and enterprise companies like SAP.