I'm kind of behind the suit on this one - Apple set the tone for a hostile relationship by locking the device to AT&T, and locking the app marketplace. As a consumer, i'm CONSTANTLY getting pushed around, either by my internet or wireless provider, so i can understand why this guy is upset. It's not just the lack of MMS, it's the failure to deliver on a promise after being take advantage of and abused for so many years.
@OMG! CoHPhasors:
"They just keep moving my desk, and now they took my stapler.
"No, we didn't fire him, we 'fixed the glitch'."
"
I wonder how many people got that quote
LOL
@OMG! CoHPhasors: Except that was Apple's implementation of MS Exchange. Since when is anyone an eligible target to get sued based implementation of an interface that lies about something. Say Palm and having their devices spoof the Apple ID to sync with iT?
I don't see how anyone would be able to sympathize with this person. He bought a phone without a feature, and is filing suit over a under a week of a delay of its addition? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. I'm all for companies getting called out on something so that they straighten up and fly right, but the fact of the matter is that millions of people paid them large amounts of money for the phone and service, despite the lack of that feature, and someone is going to now go legal on them because it didn't come on time? People can bitch and moan all they want about AT&T/Apple sucking for not providing this basic functionality in the first place, but maybe part of the blame can be placed on the people who paid for it and gave them no incentive to improve sooner.
I once went for an entire weekend without eating a single grape. If that's not cause to sue, I don't know what is. But I'm starting to think I"m not alone. Maybe there's someone else out there too, someone else who went without a single grape for an entire weekend. If that's you, let me know, and we'll lawyer up. These things just shouldn't be allowed to happen. It's not even about the grapes. It's a matter of principal!
When you sell products and say they have features they don't have, its false advertisement. Don't take this case to lightly . You can't sell things and claim they do what they don't do.
@Digitallysick: But the iPhone, prior to this update, never had MMS. People may have purchased the phone with the prospect of one day having MMS, but that doesn't mean anything. It's much better to buy what does what you require, than buy what does what you hope it will do in the future.
The thing that surprises me is that some people that were very very concerned about MMS bought an iPhone anyway. Obviously, if people can go for a good while with a phone that lacks this feature, it's not as important as they made it out to be.
In my opinion, this person is a fucking idiot. I'm not a fan of AT&T, but if MMS was important to me, the lack of it on the iPhone would give me a moment of pause. If I deem the feature trivial enough to go with an iPhone anyway, I would not be as concerned if the addition was not exactly on the promised date. Really, it's a stupid technicality. He's a douchebag, not just for being so nitpicky about the time of addition, but for even being so pissy over something he didn't care to have immediately in another product.
@rwalford79: My point was that he must have cared about this feature prior to the iPhone's addition of it, or would you say that he's simply doing this on principle?
@Kaiser-Machead: A promise is still a promise, and AT&T *did* repeatedly make the case that before summer ended, MMS would be working, without issue, on the iPhone.
Either you deliver on that deadline, or you don't. Honestly, I have to wonder why they didn't just stuck it up and do it a week earlier. Sure, perhaps they were getting more capacity in place, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't have launched it and gradually fixed the problem. Hell, AT&T pretty much is synonymous with issues, overloaded backhaul, failing to scale, failing to meet capacity, dropped calls...
Yesterday's MMS launch was hardly without issue, after the initial launch I was able to send MMS for the first hour, and then it was down until about midnight. Fail.
@nerdtalker: Yeah, "end of summer." That is one of those terms so precise I always see timelines in contracts that use it. I don't think I saw them "promise" either.
So go to another network. There isn't any excuse for this dipshit's lawsuit. Tell me, how the heck is he damaged in monetary terms?
There is a subtlety that is often lost in the popular perception of the legal system:
All suing means is that you've typed up a document, titled it "Summons and Complaint", paid a fee and filed it with the court. Anyone can sue for anything. Just because someone sues doesn't mean that anything will happen. In fact, the suit could very well be summarily dismissed with a motion.
People are free to pay their filing fees and file their complaints - no matter how frivolous - because if be started putting roadblocks up at the courthouse, a lot of genuinely aggrieved people would no longer have the last refuge of compensation.
We let everyone sue so that everyone has access. To make sure that only the deserving actually get the compensation they deserve, there are lawyers to advocate for their clients, judges to adjudicate the proceedings and make sure that the rules of litigation are observed, and juries to sit in judgment.
Then, there are the cold realities of the practice of law that help stave off frivolous lawsuits. Let's say that the plaintiffs win class certification, that they survive a motion to dismiss at the outset, that they are found to have a colorable claim (one that has the bare necessity to make out a claim - not necessarily one that is meritorious or that will be victorious). Let's say this happens. Then what?
The lawyer who signed up this suit decided that he wants to play chicken against one of the best law firms in the nation which is bankrolled by a very image-conscious global corporation that generates tens of billions of dollars of profits every year. He now gets to go through discovery - a war of attrition, a death of a thousand cuts as the hours of work poring through endless documents pile up. Imagine jabbing a rabid elephant with a safety pin. Congratulations - you've just angered a behemoth.
A lot of silly suits get to the courthouse steps; very few of them make it to opening statements before an empaneled jury.
Stop crying, so what if he just got MMS yesterday, big fucking deal.
AT&T said by late summer, their probly was delays, shit happens.
If someone wanted MMS and they knew that the iPhone didn't have it when they bought it, why the fuck did they buy it in the first place.
@Colonel Jack O'Neill: Quit sucking up to them; they promised late summer, summer passed therefore they broke a promise. It was mentioned at the keynote therefore anyone anyone trusting what was said would have thought I will get MMS by late summer.
A delay in what MMS is not hard to activate what happen with all the other carriers that had the iphone they didnt take all summer so why does at&t can you explain that.
If phones from the $40 price range to $1000 do not have any problems with it why does the iphone
@Xjep: The iPhone should've had this feature out of the box, but that doesn't matter, because if you bought it with that knowledge in mind, you deserve whatever it is you get out of the box, no more, no less, regardless of whatever promises they make. But, the fact of the matter is that they made good on their promise, even if it was delayed for silly reasons. Seriously? Suing over a technicality? Ridiculous.
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How many people would bother to do this?
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They just keep moving my desk, and now they took my stapler.
"No, we didn't fire him, we 'fixed the glitch'."
09/26/09
"They just keep moving my desk, and now they took my stapler.
"No, we didn't fire him, we 'fixed the glitch'."
"
I wonder how many people got that quote
LOL
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The thing that surprises me is that some people that were very very concerned about MMS bought an iPhone anyway. Obviously, if people can go for a good while with a phone that lacks this feature, it's not as important as they made it out to be.
In my opinion, this person is a fucking idiot. I'm not a fan of AT&T, but if MMS was important to me, the lack of it on the iPhone would give me a moment of pause. If I deem the feature trivial enough to go with an iPhone anyway, I would not be as concerned if the addition was not exactly on the promised date. Really, it's a stupid technicality. He's a douchebag, not just for being so nitpicky about the time of addition, but for even being so pissy over something he didn't care to have immediately in another product.
09/26/09
I bought my phone with the anticipation I could one day throw it at a rapists head and disable him...
Whats your point? People dont REALLY purchase something in "anticipation" if that anticipation time frame isnt sooner then later.
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Either you deliver on that deadline, or you don't. Honestly, I have to wonder why they didn't just stuck it up and do it a week earlier. Sure, perhaps they were getting more capacity in place, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't have launched it and gradually fixed the problem. Hell, AT&T pretty much is synonymous with issues, overloaded backhaul, failing to scale, failing to meet capacity, dropped calls...
Yesterday's MMS launch was hardly without issue, after the initial launch I was able to send MMS for the first hour, and then it was down until about midnight. Fail.
09/26/09
So go to another network. There isn't any excuse for this dipshit's lawsuit. Tell me, how the heck is he damaged in monetary terms?
09/26/09
There is a subtlety that is often lost in the popular perception of the legal system:
All suing means is that you've typed up a document, titled it "Summons and Complaint", paid a fee and filed it with the court. Anyone can sue for anything. Just because someone sues doesn't mean that anything will happen. In fact, the suit could very well be summarily dismissed with a motion.
People are free to pay their filing fees and file their complaints - no matter how frivolous - because if be started putting roadblocks up at the courthouse, a lot of genuinely aggrieved people would no longer have the last refuge of compensation.
We let everyone sue so that everyone has access. To make sure that only the deserving actually get the compensation they deserve, there are lawyers to advocate for their clients, judges to adjudicate the proceedings and make sure that the rules of litigation are observed, and juries to sit in judgment.
Then, there are the cold realities of the practice of law that help stave off frivolous lawsuits. Let's say that the plaintiffs win class certification, that they survive a motion to dismiss at the outset, that they are found to have a colorable claim (one that has the bare necessity to make out a claim - not necessarily one that is meritorious or that will be victorious). Let's say this happens. Then what?
The lawyer who signed up this suit decided that he wants to play chicken against one of the best law firms in the nation which is bankrolled by a very image-conscious global corporation that generates tens of billions of dollars of profits every year. He now gets to go through discovery - a war of attrition, a death of a thousand cuts as the hours of work poring through endless documents pile up. Imagine jabbing a rabid elephant with a safety pin. Congratulations - you've just angered a behemoth.
A lot of silly suits get to the courthouse steps; very few of them make it to opening statements before an empaneled jury.
09/26/09
AT&T said by late summer, their probly was delays, shit happens.
If someone wanted MMS and they knew that the iPhone didn't have it when they bought it, why the fuck did they buy it in the first place.
09/26/09
A delay in what MMS is not hard to activate what happen with all the other carriers that had the iphone they didnt take all summer so why does at&t can you explain that.
If phones from the $40 price range to $1000 do not have any problems with it why does the iphone
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