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Palm may well be dead by the end of the year, or at least well on its way. It's a shame really -- I don't feel bad for Palm as a company or Palm's management, but I do feel bad for all the folks who put so much work in to something that turned out so well but just came at precisely the wrong time with horrible leadership. #aressdk
@weatherman: I can not agree more with you. Just when it all started to clear up for Palm, Droid comes in.
However, just for the sake of discussion, what do you reckon might happen if Palm builds their WebOS on top of Android? Could it be possible?
@Pookiewood: things are going to be even rougher for Palm in Europe, I think. They're up against Symbian and Nokia there in a way that they aren't in the US. #aressdk
"Come develop for Palm! Where it's dead simple to make an app that a very small percentage of the population will ever use! Remember, fewer users means less bug reports for you to deal with!" #aressdk
Palm is a bunch of idiots with this Web Developer strategy. Web Developers develop for the web. They should be catering to device developers, who develop for devices. I just don't understand where they expect this strategy to go.
It's like building a racecar that can only be driven by old ladies with vision problems. It might be impressive in a way, but it's not the correct strategy to win races because none of the experienced drivers can operate it.
Not that web developers are old ladies or anything, but they're just not the people who are going to make the next great handheld app. Their skills are tuned for a different kind of experience completely.
@chefgon: I think the "Web" part is throwing you off a bit. It's not so much a half-hearted attempt to get people to develop for the Pre that otherwise wouldn't or couldn't, it's really the next logical step forward in programming. There are two ways to go about it. The traditional way is to have unique set of programming tools and guidelines for a narrow range of hardware. Apple is the prime example. Now Google is going at it from the other angle (I realize Google has nothing to do with the Pre, but they are the biggest ones pushing this model). The idea is, a framework is developed, and the programing is done for the framework, not the hardware. The framework itself has to be uniquely worked onto multiple hardware platforms, but any further software development can be done from within the framework. Anyone familiar with it can develop for any device that uses it. Obviously, given the myriad of hardware platforms, this is particularly appealing to cell phone programming, but in the new world of information, quality comes from quantity, and using a framework that allows a programer to develop for many more devices than he'd otherwise be able to will result in ideas and innovations that otherwise would not have happened. Just not on the Pre. Your TV will have apps. Your car will have apps. Your refrigerator will have apps. No one is going to learn a unique programming toolset to program for my refrigerator, and they won't have to. But my refrigerator will do amazing things. Don't stand in the way of progress, this is the way of future! #aressdk
@chefgon: "Web technologies" is just another framework to write applications for a device, just like Android's Java classes or Apple's Cocoa. Just like any other framework Palm has to be smart about exposing device features.
Some application developers will love working in JavaScript, HTML, and CSS. Some web *SITE* developers will move their programming skills to writing applications. Web technologies are the most popular in the world, both in terms of users and developers, so both groups are potentially huge.
Palm's strategy is fine, and makes the most sense for a small competitor. #aressdk
Excellent guide. Makes me want a GSM Pre to come out sooner, so I can use it with my AT&T plan. (Despite what everyone says, it's the best in my area)
Also, not to be a whiny bitch, but with the CMD+Shift+4 trick for capturing windows, if you tap the spacebar after the crosshair comes up, it puts you into a window capture mode, where it'll screencap just the window you highlight, plus its shadow. Makes it really nice looking for embedding into guides like these, as it leaves out the border of stuff around the window :)
"Think of it like jailbreaking an iPhone, except that it's easier to do"
I don't see how this is easier than jailbreaking. Purplera1n couldn't get any easier when it was available. Redsn0w is also extremely easy. You turn off your phone, run Redsn0w, and hold the power and home buttons down when it prompts you to do so.
This looks a little more complicated than iPhone jailbreaking.
This whole Google Voice situation is getting ridiculous. I like Google, and my G1, but too many people seem to be forgetting that Google/T-Mo had similar issues with Skype, thus relegating it to marginally useful.
@met2art: There's a double standard for Apple. Remember when everyone complained because Apple only wanted web apps for the iPhone? No outrage at PALM for essentially doing the same thing.
Remember when Apple didn't have flash with their web browser? No outrage at PALM for not having flash or video or many other things.
Also, companies that have game consoles have a closed platform, but it's not okay for Apple to have one.
@phunnyballs: The end result, of both Skype and GV is the same. By putting GV on my T-Mo G1, I get unlimited free calls, to anywhere. Any plan that allows "faves" that don't use minutes, essentially makes GV a free calling program, and also side-steps any attempt by the wireless provider to enact restrictions upon the user.
Similarly, Skype allows users to pay for data and then make unlimited calls. The technology may be different, but again, the end result is the same.
Hey plusEric, I'm not replying to you because that would inadvertently make it so you can comment. I just want to point out how if you have a problem with the site, feel free to leave. This article has nothing to do with the iPhone
I'm kinda excited about this. If the framework isn't too difficult to learn, I may take it upon myself to make a Pre game. But I won't set my goals too high.
The only reason I clicked on this story was because I thought it said "Palin's Working on the Pre's Gaming Problem" and I thought "That can't be right!"
The entire job description on Palm's site is: "design, implement, debug, and optimize frameworks for game development and then quit before the job is done" so I think they're looking for her.
Great news? Momemtum of launch? I have a pre and look forward to this, but it was a terrible move to delay more apps given Apple's strangle hold on the market. This should have been released with or before the phone was and they should be accepting apps as they are available. Which I imagine for some easy ones wouldn't take very long.
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However, just for the sake of discussion, what do you reckon might happen if Palm builds their WebOS on top of Android? Could it be possible?
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It's like building a racecar that can only be driven by old ladies with vision problems. It might be impressive in a way, but it's not the correct strategy to win races because none of the experienced drivers can operate it.
Not that web developers are old ladies or anything, but they're just not the people who are going to make the next great handheld app. Their skills are tuned for a different kind of experience completely.
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Some application developers will love working in JavaScript, HTML, and CSS. Some web *SITE* developers will move their programming skills to writing applications. Web technologies are the most popular in the world, both in terms of users and developers, so both groups are potentially huge.
Palm's strategy is fine, and makes the most sense for a small competitor. #aressdk
10/04/09
Also, not to be a whiny bitch, but with the CMD+Shift+4 trick for capturing windows, if you tap the spacebar after the crosshair comes up, it puts you into a window capture mode, where it'll screencap just the window you highlight, plus its shadow. Makes it really nice looking for embedding into guides like these, as it leaves out the border of stuff around the window :)
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I don't see how this is easier than jailbreaking. Purplera1n couldn't get any easier when it was available. Redsn0w is also extremely easy. You turn off your phone, run Redsn0w, and hold the power and home buttons down when it prompts you to do so.
This looks a little more complicated than iPhone jailbreaking.
"and the benefits are much, much greater."
How so? Just wondering. Serious question.
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Remember when Apple didn't have flash with their web browser? No outrage at PALM for not having flash or video or many other things.
Also, companies that have game consoles have a closed platform, but it's not okay for Apple to have one.
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Similarly, Skype allows users to pay for data and then make unlimited calls. The technology may be different, but again, the end result is the same.
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I'm kinda excited about this. If the framework isn't too difficult to learn, I may take it upon myself to make a Pre game. But I won't set my goals too high.
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They do realize there are Pre owners now on their THIRD Pre right?
07/20/09
The only reason I clicked on this story was because I thought it said "Palin's Working on the Pre's Gaming Problem" and I thought "That can't be right!"
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The entire job description on Palm's site is: "design, implement, debug, and optimize frameworks for game development and then quit before the job is done" so I think they're looking for her.
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As a fun fact, the SDK is Windows only (Virtual Box is required on Linux and MacOS X)
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Palm Pre >>> iPhone 3G