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    Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook

    Convert a Netbook Battery Into an iPhone Battery

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    Image of Andyr2120 Andyr2120
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    I'm not so sure that this is literally illegal. Yes, an Apple lawyer would say that. And it is entirely possible/likely that the operation could be shut down using said lawyers. But there's a difference between violating the EULA/terms of use and operating illegally. There's no certainty to your statement until there is a court case.

    Matter of fact, it might be easier to prove that Giz has just defamed this kid's company.
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    Image of srdailey srdailey
    08/25/09

    @Andyr2120: again, what are the odds that this kid is shelling out $120 a pop for the copy of leopard on each machine? i'd say slim.
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    08/25/09

    @srdailey: I guess you're more of a guilty until proven innocent man?
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    Image of srdailey srdailey
    08/25/09

    @Voyou_Charmant: look at the prices he was offering. i highly doubt he managed a wholesale discount from apple.
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    Image of MarcusMaximus MarcusMaximus
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    Hmm, this brings up a good point. If I sell my laptop do I have to uninstall everything, since otherwise I'm selling someone else's IP? Meaning that if I want to sell it I need to completely reformat the harddrive and have no OS installed on it first?
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    08/25/09

    @MarcusMaximus: If you can provide licenses for all the software, there's no reason to have to sell it with no OS on it. Unlike what the software companies would like you to believe, you can transfer your licenses to another person. Doctrine of First Sale is a bitch.
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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    08/25/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.:

    It really isn't that cut and dry.

    In a more recent case involving software EULA's and first-sale rights Davidson & Associates v. Internet Gateway Inc (2004)[1], the first sale reasoning of the Softman court was challenged, with the court ruling "The first sale doctrine is only triggered by an actual sale. Accordingly, a copyright owner does not forfeit his right of distribution by entering into a licensing agreement." However, the point was moot as the court found the plaintiff's EULA, which prohibited resale, was binding on the defendants because "The defendants .. expressly consented to the terms of the EULA and Terms of Use by clicking 'I Agree' and 'Agree.'"

    [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Image of Justin Paulson Justin Paulson
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    Can someone explain to me the reasoning for apple not allowing OS X installs on non-apple devices? Couldn't they sell a ton more software? Do they just think it will canabalize hardware sales? Is it a customer service issue, with callers complaining about functionality on their non-apple hardware? What's the big deal exactly?

    I'm sure plenty of people would still spring for the apple hardware even if they could put OS X on another machine legally. It is possible, and quite easy, to do it illegally now, so why do they think this will hurt them so much?
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    (Starman) AnalysisDialysis promoted this comment Justin Paulson was starred Justin Paulson was unstarred
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    08/25/09

    @Justinpaulson: It's called "OEM licensing."
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    Image of En0s1 En0s1
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    Release the hounds! Steve... nail the bastard.

    Sorry, if it were his own for home use fine; but once you start selling things that don't belong to you... well that's just wrong.
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    HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment En0s1 was starred En0s1 was unstarred
    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    08/25/09

    @En0s0ne... even that damned dog gets a Gold Star: I'm still unclear on the concept of how a $200 piece of software that you paid for "doesn't belong to you".
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    08/25/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: You own the software to the extent of being able to fully enjoy its functions for as long as it and the hardware it runs on lasts, but you do not own the intellectual rights or limitless freedom to resell it.
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    Image of Dillinger23 Dillinger23
    08/25/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Why wont Blockbuster rent me movies and allow me to set up a table outside of their store to then sell those movies that they rented me. Technically they are mine currently.
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    HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment Dillinger23 was starred Dillinger23 was unstarred
    Image of UnderLoK UnderLoK
    08/25/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: You don't own the software, you own a license to USE the software within the terms of the EULA.
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    08/25/09

    @Dillinger23: I am absolutely free to sell the discs I rent from Blockbuster. I'm just accountable for them when I'm due to return them in 3 days' time.
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    08/25/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: That's where you're wrong. I may not own intellectual rights, but I sure as hell do have the freedom to resell it. Doctrine of First Sale is a bitch.
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    Image of the name is dan the name is dan
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    Yet again I'm all cool with someone doing it at home. Whatever.
    But whoever does it for a profit on some one else's IP deserves some proverbial kick in the sack, not this kind of promo.
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    Nick: I love Nick promoted this comment the name is dan was starred the name is dan was unstarred
    Image of Justin Paulson Justin Paulson
    08/25/09

    @danradu: What if he was purchasing a copy of OS X for every single install? How is he breaking any ethical code outside of breaking a EULA. He is still compensating Apple for the IP.
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    Image of Nick Nick
    08/25/09

    @danradu: you're an idiot.
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    Image of otus otus
    08/25/09

    @danradu: so, Apple makes money from selling the OS, MSI makes money from selling the netbook, and this kid makes a tiny bit of money for doing the work to to make the two work together. Everything is bought legally, yet everyone here is just fine with Apple throwing the book at him?
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    08/25/09

    @Justinpaulson: I suspect that the same disc is being used over and over again, which would make the most sense, and be the most cost effective. Of course, this has yet to be seen.
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    Edited by Kaiser-Machead at 08/25/09 1:32 PM Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of the name is dan the name is dan
    08/25/09

    @Nick: I love Nick: whatever dude :)
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    the name is dan was starred the name is dan was unstarred
    Image of the name is dan the name is dan
    08/25/09

    @Justinpaulson: what if I'm selling you a discounted something I paid much money to make so you sign up to my service or sell you this hardware thing?
    I'd be very unhappy if you broke my trust and our agreement and sold it for a profit, repeatedly, in a way I hadn't intended when we shook hands.

    I'm not sure we can know for sure what Apple considers fair compensation for the IP.

    You're right, maybe he does buy the copy but the numbers don't add up.
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    Image of Justin Paulson Justin Paulson
    08/25/09

    @dan.radu: I think the numbers DO add up, especially if he is getting 5 licenses for 129 dollars. That's only 26 dollars per laptop, 74 dollars profit. If I bought something from you and resold it for more that would be called good business. It wouldn't matter if you were unhappy or not.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    08/25/09

    @otus: It's not that simple. You also need to be a licensed reseller to dole out this product, and if this person is not selling a sealed copy of OS X along with every MSI, then he's likely just copying the disc over and over again onto each netbook, which is straight piracy.
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    Image of Michael Edmunds Michael Edmunds
    08/25/09

    In reply to Openbook Nano Review: The Lazy Man's Hackintosh Netbook
    That poor kid.
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    amandizzle promoted this comment Michael Edmunds was starred Michael Edmunds was unstarred
    Image of amandizzle amandizzle
    08/25/09

    @Michael Edmunds: He gets an 'A' for effort though!

    It's just too bad it's not, you know, legal.
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    Image of amandizzle amandizzle
    08/25/09

    @Visioned: You know, I was going to add something along those lines to my comment... but if the kid were advertising that he had a grow-op he'd be boned too.

    Moral of the story is this: you can smoke a bowl and make a hackintosh in private and be okay. It's when you start spreading the word that it becomes a problem. You dig?
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    Image of wetworker wetworker
    08/25/09

    @amandizzle: All is legal until 5.0 shows up.
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    07/29/09

    In reply to Convert a Netbook Battery Into an iPhone Battery
    Finally. A useful purpose for an MSI Wind.
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    Image of Dween Dween
    07/29/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton:
    I
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment Dween was starred Dween was unstarred
    Image of nikaru nikaru
    07/29/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: Are you trying to be funny?
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment nikaru was starred nikaru was unstarred
    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    07/29/09

    @nikaru: Oblivious to sarcasm, I see.
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    Image of Anemone Anemone
    08/13/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: That or sarcasm is difficult to pick up in text further made difficult by lack of context. It's pretty easy to read in a negative manner.
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    Image of Ron-Mexico Ron-Mexico
    05/13/09

    In reply to The U200 Is MSI's Upcoming 12-Inch Netbookish Laptop
    Pretty soon we're going to have $2,000 17" "netbooks"
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    Image of Serolf Divad Serolf Divad
    05/13/09

    @Ron-Mexico:


    Yeah, the term is definitely being abused. I'd say anything larger than 10" is a notebook, not a netbook.

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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    03/31/09

    In reply to 19-Inch Touchscreen Wind Sips On Less Energy than Most Light Bulbs
    Nice to see the old Mac displays making a comeback.


    Wait...what? no way dude.

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    Kaiser-Machead was starred Kaiser-Machead was unstarred
    Image of strider_mt2k strider_mt2k
    03/31/09

    In reply to 19-Inch Touchscreen Wind Sips On Less Energy than Most Light Bulbs
    "Why do I need a neutered PC that isn't portable?"


    Well obviously if you don't get it then you don't!


    Go ahead and throw the biggest baddest hardware at the smallest lightest applications!


    If it makes you feel better or something I suppose.

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    Image of ZaxxonQ.com ZaxxonQ.com
    03/31/09

    In reply to 19-Inch Touchscreen Wind Sips On Less Energy than Most Light Bulbs
    I'd hit it... for the right price.......... whoa.... déjà vu!
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    Image of EVEs_Mako EVEs_Mako
    03/31/09

    In reply to 19-Inch Touchscreen Wind Sips On Less Energy than Most Light Bulbs
    The perfect kitchen, wall mount, PC.
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    Image of Geisrud Geisrud
    03/31/09

    @EVEs_Mako: I'm really diggin this form-factor for exactly that.
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    Image of Cordfucious of Tech Clan Cordfucious of Tech Clan
    03/31/09

    @EVEs_Mako: I can throw recipies on that thing and read them off without a hitch.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    01/21/09

    In reply to The MSI Wind for Lovers
    Humbug. Just do what I did when I bought S.O. her Thinkpad. Just have a personalized, meaningful photo as the background before handing it over (No, it's not sexual, you freaks).
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    01/21/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Was that before or after you installed the keystroke logger?
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    Image of Mandatory_Field Mandatory_Field
    01/21/09

    In reply to The MSI Wind for Lovers
    Ahhh, yes. The gift that says "I love you. But not enough to give you an Apple, Sony, Toshiba or Lenovo."
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    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    12/15/08

    In reply to MSI Encourages Hackintosh, Leaks OS X Wi-Fi Drivers for the Wind
    I'm not sure you CAN sue someone for releasing drivers. Any legal minded people wanna weigh in on that?
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