I got my dad the WD HD TV last Christmas, and he loves it. I love it because it just works right out of the box and plays every format I throw at it, yet it's simple enough for a 65 year old man who's afraid of the iPhone to use. I bought a 2 pack of seagate 2.5" external drives from Sams Club for 130 bucks back in January, and once a month I'll pop over to my folks house and swap out the drives, leaving him with fresh movies and tv episodes to watch. He loves to brag to his friends about how his kid is so sneaky, and gets him "Hollywood movies that are still in theaters."
He's happy, I'm happy, WD TV gets two thumbs up. #hdmediaplayers
@Cash907Censored: The WDTV is the first gen with out ethernet, this article is about the WDTV Live also know as WDTV 2. Its got eithernet and some other differences. #hdmediaplayers
@bigdave914:
Yeah, I'm aware of that thanks. Thanks to a recent firmware update, the only difference between the WD HD TV and the WD TV Live (version reviewed above) is the newer model has an ethernet port. #hdmediaplayers
Good article. I have been looking over this info for a while now and glad to see it collected.
i like the idea of the Patriot, BUT I just don't see them following up with sequential firmware updates like WD will do (and has done with the previous WD TV).
I LOVE the specs of the Popcorn Hour box, but at that price and size, I would go for a PS3.
For features, support, and price, I think I am going with the WD TV Live (as soon as it actually freaking shows back up in stock somewhere). #hdmediaplayers
@Unknown2U: You'll be happy, this I know from experience. The Creton 6 tuner card will cost more than any of these boxes however. These are all in one single purchase devices. It's not a apple to apple comparison. #hdmediaplayers
@Unknown2U: I understand. Currently I love my CC tuners and will probably build a new WMC box with a Centon Tuner. What I'm saying is that these boxes serve a simpler task and even the most expensive of them is $300. #hdmediaplayers
do you really need to kill apple tv? its not like it's popular like an ipod. Isnt' this kinda like saying, "which soft drink will be the Fresca killer?" #hdmediaplayers
@dallasmay: I've been thinking of going that route, mostly because the WD doesn't have Netflix/Hulu, etc. With a Mini, I can play literally anything (including the Flac-HD files that I can't burn to a disc that's readable by my Sony BD player).
I'm hoping WD will add those, or Roku will add Hulu and the ability to play media off a connected drive (which is rumored). But, if neither of those things comes to fruition by the end of the year, I'll probably go with a Mini. #hdmediaplayers
for $140, you might as well throw in a few extra bones for airport extreme. I refuse to pay over $100 for any router, even if that means sticking with my Tomato-based WRT 54GL
@MaDog That's completely irrelevant, N is backwards compatible with B and G, that was always present in every pre-N spec and definitely in the finalized spec.
Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
@EdaFonzie: Yeah, B and G stuff will work with N, but what madog is saying is that the B and G items will drag your speed down to those levels. Your N devices will be wasted.
@badhatharry: Not exactly, I run an N router in my house and I'm the only one with an N compatible card so It's set to send out B, G, and N frequencies , but while they're connection is 54Mbps mine is usually around 144Mpbs. Yes it is diminished somewhat by broadcasting both, but I still have greater speeds, not to mention that it runs on the 5.0Ghz spectrum so suffers much less interference from some phones and microwaves.
@EdaFonzie: As (that's some) badhatharry said, it's not completely useless and is backwords compatible with previous mainstream wireless specs. It's just that I'm sure there are many other people in a similar position as myself that have a cell phone, game console, and old computer using the G spec, and a newer computer using N spec.
When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
@madog: Yeah, since the tech specs on the site don't tout this as being dual-band I'm presuming it isn't. I've got the older WNDR3000 which is dual-band, but not gig-LAN. and DD-WRT works fantastic on it, if this one was dual band I would consider upgrading...
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
At this point I find N routers to be useless for many people. Anyone with multiple computers or other devices that use wifi but most likely still have B or G cards in them, like an iPhone or a Wii (or just about every phone and game system capable of wifi), wouldn't benefit to the fullest of the N spec. The fact that an N router will slow down the network if anything less than an N device is connected to it defeats the purpose in many scenarios (at least to my understanding).
If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
This is kinda tasty. I think I want to setup a N network in my new house for gaming and streaming WMC. I don't know if I want to wait that long though. Anyone have a N router that they really like?
@Xeno: I really like the new Airport Extremes. I've had several N routers starting with the craptastic Linksys WRVS4400N (RMA'd a dozen times). I've also used the WRT600N and the Dlink DGL4500. They all had problems with dropping connections or just failing entirely after a couple of weeks or months. The Apple is by far the most consistent and reliable I've tried thus far... Simultaneous dual-band FTW!
@sirsycho: That's a possibility. I have had issues with that stupid application you have to run for configuring them in the past though. Why can't they be configured on a web page?
@Xeno: Netgear WNDR3000, near-current DD-WRT, rock solid, encrypted PPTP VPN, DynDNS, advanced routing is a snap, dual-band N|b/g, wake on lan deamon, QoS, fully functional (and correctly supported) uPnP.
Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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He's happy, I'm happy, WD TV gets two thumbs up. #hdmediaplayers
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Yeah, I'm aware of that thanks. Thanks to a recent firmware update, the only difference between the WD HD TV and the WD TV Live (version reviewed above) is the newer model has an ethernet port. #hdmediaplayers
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i like the idea of the Patriot, BUT I just don't see them following up with sequential firmware updates like WD will do (and has done with the previous WD TV).
I LOVE the specs of the Popcorn Hour box, but at that price and size, I would go for a PS3.
For features, support, and price, I think I am going with the WD TV Live (as soon as it actually freaking shows back up in stock somewhere). #hdmediaplayers
11/05/09
My PC has Windows 7, I purchase this thing next year: [www.cetoncorp.com]
I rent 1 cable card for $4 a month. That device will allow me to record up to Six Live HD Channels Simultaneously.
Then I just use my Xbox 360 to watch TV.
Beats the PS3, let's face it. Most people watch more TV than they do movies. #hdmediaplayers
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The card pays for itself in one year if I get ride of my two DVRs from the cable company. #hdmediaplayers
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[store.apple.com] #hdmediaplayers
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I'm hoping WD will add those, or Roku will add Hulu and the ability to play media off a connected drive (which is rumored). But, if neither of those things comes to fruition by the end of the year, I'll probably go with a Mini. #hdmediaplayers
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At least we got that out of the way...
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Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
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When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
10/05/09
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
it is amazingly versatile.
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If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
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Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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