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The thing that I never understood is what makes drobo deserve it's premium? No mem, no hdd, no video, just a light processor, network components, and case.
Consider that you can get an entire midsize pc for $300, Why are NAS so expensive. I think it doesn't even have hardware RAID...
1. Hot Swappable Storage. Pull dead drives, or small drive and instantly swap them out with larger, working drives all while still able to access data (playing video from the Drobo without skipping).
2. Mixed Storage sizes which you don't get with RAID. RAID requires same size drive per slice or you only get aggregate of the smallest size slice. Drobo supports any size per slice.
3. Automatic format/setup of each new hard drive. Drobo autocorrects bad sectors(marking off) while maintaining your data integrity using the redundant data features of the Drobo. Also if a drive dies, it'll alert you and you just swap the drive out without interrupting any work you're doing. RAID would require you to rebuild without any access (or limited access) to the data in the interim and the RAID rebuild could take hours.
I don't think a $300 midsize pc with limited storage could do all that...
1) You can get SATA hot-swap cages for a PC if you so wish. (Example, not necessarily a recommendation: [www.newegg.com] ). SATA is also, generally speaking, natively hot-swappable.
2) True, but why would you buy HDDs in a random fashion anyway? And BTW - it's physically impossible to have full data redundancy with, let's say, a 1.5 TB drive and 2x 250 MB drives. So you can mix, but only to a point. And the more "mixed" the drive array is, the less efficient it will become, especially if drives die and are replaced with different sizes. The array will become fragmented (a la disk fragmentation), and the CPU will need to work ever harder to keep track of/retrieve all the data.
3) Formatting or otherwise initializing a disk properly (e.g. not Windows "quick format") under any OS will mark bad sectors and not use them. Windows RAID and Linux RAID (md) let you continue working if a drive dies, though I will grant that you have to take some additional action at the OS level to bring a new disk online and add it to the RAID set.
4) I concur that you couldn't do a 6-disk-capable (as the Drobo is bare-bones, we'll forget about the cost of the disks) file server for $300. Figure $300 for a decent P4 machine with 2GB RAM and a large case. $120 for 2 3-disk hot-swap cages (e.g. [www.newegg.com] ), and $50 for a couple of additional SATA cards, working in JBOD mode (as the OS will handle RAID). Linux for $0.
So in fairness, ~$500 for a decent bare bones file server.
To me, the $800 savings is worth the little bit of extra time and learnin' to use a PC. Then, of course, you also have the advantages of using a PC and can offload your virus scanning to the server, have the server handle automated backups, etc.
Plus I wager that in a speed test, you'll get faster results from a well-built file server than from a Drobo.
All that being said, I understand the ease of use argument and the argument is fair. I just want to make the point that the ease of use alone is costing you about $800. So if it took you 8 hours to set up and manage the file server, in effect you'd be making $100/hr for your time. :)
@A Snake a Snake... OH it's a Snake!: For a NAS? I think Raid 5 would be more appropriate for data storage. Raid 1 is more for housing the OS on a critical server.
@mikeness: Actually, I probably wrote that wrong. The real hassle is having to go through the process of tracking down and then typing in your WEP. Not so much the fact that you have to give it out to people you know and trust.
The thing that scares me about some of these comments is that the company I work for stocks nothing but LaCie External HDD's. We haven't had very many returns or needs for data recovery on the drives. But seeing as how I get a good employee discount, I have my entire Music Library backed up on one of these. I'm just afraid of deciding to listen to some Daft Punk and having my drive go all Technologic on me. Wondering if I should ask for something with a good review from NewEgg.com for X-mas...
White is hot. I wish Apple still thought that. If they still had glossy white iPods, I'd be getting that instead of a Zune. Silver < white. Silver is so played out for electronics.
Now if only Lacie didn't have such a high failure rate. I've never experienced so many problems with an external hard drive brand as I have with Lacie.
Actually, it doesn't come in black. That is the "network space". Which is network storage only, no remote access. Available in the US now. The white "internet space" is a UPnP/DLNA device thats allows remote access to the data. On its way to the US, available in Europe now.
Is anyone else wondering what that blue rectangle of light is doing in front of the drive? Is that suppose to be part of the drive enclosure itself, or is it suppose to be illustrating that the drive projects a blue status light onto whatever surface it is on? Confusion consumes me.
My LaCie 500GB started sounding like a coffee grinder after about a year (bought refurbished from lacie site). Just upgraded to a Western Digital 750GB pocket drive for about 15% cheaper
04/07/09
Consider that you can get an entire midsize pc for $300, Why are NAS so expensive. I think it doesn't even have hardware RAID...
04/07/09
Here's why for the Drobo:
1. Hot Swappable Storage. Pull dead drives, or small drive and instantly swap them out with larger, working drives all while still able to access data (playing video from the Drobo without skipping).
2. Mixed Storage sizes which you don't get with RAID. RAID requires same size drive per slice or you only get aggregate of the smallest size slice. Drobo supports any size per slice.
3. Automatic format/setup of each new hard drive. Drobo autocorrects bad sectors(marking off) while maintaining your data integrity using the redundant data features of the Drobo. Also if a drive dies, it'll alert you and you just swap the drive out without interrupting any work you're doing. RAID would require you to rebuild without any access (or limited access) to the data in the interim and the RAID rebuild could take hours.
I don't think a $300 midsize pc with limited storage could do all that...
04/07/09
1) You can get SATA hot-swap cages for a PC if you so wish. (Example, not necessarily a recommendation: [www.newegg.com] ). SATA is also, generally speaking, natively hot-swappable.
2) True, but why would you buy HDDs in a random fashion anyway? And BTW - it's physically impossible to have full data redundancy with, let's say, a 1.5 TB drive and 2x 250 MB drives. So you can mix, but only to a point. And the more "mixed" the drive array is, the less efficient it will become, especially if drives die and are replaced with different sizes. The array will become fragmented (a la disk fragmentation), and the CPU will need to work ever harder to keep track of/retrieve all the data.
3) Formatting or otherwise initializing a disk properly (e.g. not Windows "quick format") under any OS will mark bad sectors and not use them. Windows RAID and Linux RAID (md) let you continue working if a drive dies, though I will grant that you have to take some additional action at the OS level to bring a new disk online and add it to the RAID set.
4) I concur that you couldn't do a 6-disk-capable (as the Drobo is bare-bones, we'll forget about the cost of the disks) file server for $300. Figure $300 for a decent P4 machine with 2GB RAM and a large case. $120 for 2 3-disk hot-swap cages (e.g. [www.newegg.com] ), and $50 for a couple of additional SATA cards, working in JBOD mode (as the OS will handle RAID). Linux for $0.
So in fairness, ~$500 for a decent bare bones file server.
To me, the $800 savings is worth the little bit of extra time and learnin' to use a PC. Then, of course, you also have the advantages of using a PC and can offload your virus scanning to the server, have the server handle automated backups, etc.
Plus I wager that in a speed test, you'll get faster results from a well-built file server than from a Drobo.
All that being said, I understand the ease of use argument and the argument is fair. I just want to make the point that the ease of use alone is costing you about $800. So if it took you 8 hours to set up and manage the file server, in effect you'd be making $100/hr for your time. :)
04/07/09
$575 for the file server, and a savings of $725. Still totally worth it, IMO.
04/07/09
pretty please? or do I have to do it myself?
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