Maybe the G adapter will start to approach reasonable cost now...
As it is, my PS3 is on my home wi-fi, as is my Wii, PSP, DS, and iPod Touch, but my 360 has to bridge through my PC because it didn't come with a wireless chipset... instead they want me to pay several times the going rate for a PC adapter for what's now basic even in handhelds. #xbox360wirelessn
*cough* Ripoff *cough*
I bought a netgear wnhde wireless bridge kit ( [www.amazon.com] ) to do this. Not only does it have extra QOS stuff for media center built in but I can hook up both my xbox and playstation 3 to it. #xbox360wirelessn
It really is disgusting how much Microsoft overcharges for 360 wireless adapters (and hard drives for that matter).
Either way, as unsightly as they are, I'll stick to a CAT6 running across the floor. I've yet to own a wireless adapter that's as reliable as a good old fashioned cable. Connection brownouts are unacceptable to a UNSC Spartan. #xbox360wirelessn
@Communist Pope: Yep, as much as PS3 may be lacking in the "games I want to buy" department, at least you get wifi built in and you don't have to pay to log in. While the PS3 is only G, it's had that since the start - and MS didn't see fit to give us any option for wireless. #xbox360wirelessn
@joestoner: True, but even if I had a PS3 I'd still go wired, so the presence of built-in wireless or lack thereof is a non-issue for me. Also, the built-in WiFi wasn't much of a bonus initially, given the PS3's much higher price point -- when you're paying a lot more than what you would for the competition, you should expect a lot more.
But now that Sony's brought their current-gen console down to a reasonable level it's certainly a plus if you prefer or need wireless gaming. Once the 3 hits $250, then I'll finally get serious about getting one (for MGS4, Uncharted 1/2, and Resistance if nothing else; really want to play those one of these days...). #xbox360wirelessn
... and only a 300% premium over what you can get a standard USB WiFi-N adapter for! Microsoft is practically losing money by not making more on this! What a deal! #xbox360wirelessn
@KTK1990: What I want to know is what that little phrase is supposed to MEAN?
Is is a 15k SAS drive, about the bare minimum I'd consider "Server class"? Is it marketing-speak for "fast", maybe a 10k SATA? Does it just mean that the new drives won't drop dead after a year and a half, like the old ones? Are they just charging more for it to put it in the same 'class' as a server drive?
for $140, you might as well throw in a few extra bones for airport extreme. I refuse to pay over $100 for any router, even if that means sticking with my Tomato-based WRT 54GL
@MaDog That's completely irrelevant, N is backwards compatible with B and G, that was always present in every pre-N spec and definitely in the finalized spec.
Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
@EdaFonzie: Yeah, B and G stuff will work with N, but what madog is saying is that the B and G items will drag your speed down to those levels. Your N devices will be wasted.
@badhatharry: Not exactly, I run an N router in my house and I'm the only one with an N compatible card so It's set to send out B, G, and N frequencies , but while they're connection is 54Mbps mine is usually around 144Mpbs. Yes it is diminished somewhat by broadcasting both, but I still have greater speeds, not to mention that it runs on the 5.0Ghz spectrum so suffers much less interference from some phones and microwaves.
@EdaFonzie: As (that's some) badhatharry said, it's not completely useless and is backwords compatible with previous mainstream wireless specs. It's just that I'm sure there are many other people in a similar position as myself that have a cell phone, game console, and old computer using the G spec, and a newer computer using N spec.
When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
@madog: Yeah, since the tech specs on the site don't tout this as being dual-band I'm presuming it isn't. I've got the older WNDR3000 which is dual-band, but not gig-LAN. and DD-WRT works fantastic on it, if this one was dual band I would consider upgrading...
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
At this point I find N routers to be useless for many people. Anyone with multiple computers or other devices that use wifi but most likely still have B or G cards in them, like an iPhone or a Wii (or just about every phone and game system capable of wifi), wouldn't benefit to the fullest of the N spec. The fact that an N router will slow down the network if anything less than an N device is connected to it defeats the purpose in many scenarios (at least to my understanding).
If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
This is kinda tasty. I think I want to setup a N network in my new house for gaming and streaming WMC. I don't know if I want to wait that long though. Anyone have a N router that they really like?
@Xeno: I really like the new Airport Extremes. I've had several N routers starting with the craptastic Linksys WRVS4400N (RMA'd a dozen times). I've also used the WRT600N and the Dlink DGL4500. They all had problems with dropping connections or just failing entirely after a couple of weeks or months. The Apple is by far the most consistent and reliable I've tried thus far... Simultaneous dual-band FTW!
@sirsycho: That's a possibility. I have had issues with that stupid application you have to run for configuring them in the past though. Why can't they be configured on a web page?
@Xeno: Netgear WNDR3000, near-current DD-WRT, rock solid, encrypted PPTP VPN, DynDNS, advanced routing is a snap, dual-band N|b/g, wake on lan deamon, QoS, fully functional (and correctly supported) uPnP.
Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
@macpatrick: I do the same. Wireless N 5.0ghz off the airport extreme and then wireless G from my bros old netgear. The G is for people who connect with cellphones, and the N for laptops =] Everything else is wired gigabit (Desktops, PS3)
I'll stick to G until either prices come way down or my router dies. I just can't justify the expense, the WAN connection wouldn't saturate 802.11b, let alone G (I live out in the sticks), so the only reason to upgrade to N would be more on-site bandwidth... and if I need that I can run some gigabit copper for a lot less.
@Imagism: Corporations who sunk massive amounts of money into a 802.11a wireless infrastructure and due to corporate bureaucracy / pettiness / departmental infighting refuse to upgrade until they've "gotten their moneys worth".
There is a reason I have a rack in the house, Gig to every room. I'm staying with G till I need a new AP for the bedroom and only then it will be a gig switch/router.
11/10/09
As it is, my PS3 is on my home wi-fi, as is my Wii, PSP, DS, and iPod Touch, but my 360 has to bridge through my PC because it didn't come with a wireless chipset... instead they want me to pay several times the going rate for a PC adapter for what's now basic even in handhelds. #xbox360wirelessn
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Not really, they only shaved about $20 off it. The price was dropped weeks ago. #xbox360wirelessn
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I bought a netgear wnhde wireless bridge kit ( [www.amazon.com] ) to do this. Not only does it have extra QOS stuff for media center built in but I can hook up both my xbox and playstation 3 to it. #xbox360wirelessn
11/10/09
Either way, as unsightly as they are, I'll stick to a CAT6 running across the floor. I've yet to own a wireless adapter that's as reliable as a good old fashioned cable. Connection brownouts are unacceptable to a UNSC Spartan. #xbox360wirelessn
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But now that Sony's brought their current-gen console down to a reasonable level it's certainly a plus if you prefer or need wireless gaming. Once the 3 hits $250, then I'll finally get serious about getting one (for MGS4, Uncharted 1/2, and Resistance if nothing else; really want to play those one of these days...). #xbox360wirelessn
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Is is a 15k SAS drive, about the bare minimum I'd consider "Server class"? Is it marketing-speak for "fast", maybe a 10k SATA? Does it just mean that the new drives won't drop dead after a year and a half, like the old ones? Are they just charging more for it to put it in the same 'class' as a server drive?
WHAT DOES 'SERVER CLASS' MEAN!? #timecapsule
10/20/09
When you see lifespan outside of servers they are assuming that the drives will not be running 24/7/365.
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At least we got that out of the way...
10/05/09
Having an N router means you get to use all bands but can enjoy the latest spec if you have supported devices.
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When anything other than N is connected to an N router, it physically slows down the entire wireless network to become backwords compatible making the N device not access at it's potential. Whether it actually matters or ones Internet connection is fast enough to utilize it is a different story, but it's why dual band routers exist if I wasn't clear on that before.
10/05/09
When working with a dual band router, you simply set one radio to be N only, and the other to be G/B or compatibility mode (depending on your software), DD-WRT sets them up as completely seperate APs with diff SSIDs and everything, you can even setup virtual APs based on one radio or the other with additional SSIDs for different auth protocols/DHCP servers/subnets/etc...
it is amazingly versatile.
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If anyone is thinking about getting an N enabled router I would suggest getting a dual band router that can support both specs (G and N) individually and at their fullest speeds. At least until everything is N in the next couple years (when the next spec is being released), or unless you know all of your devices use it, or at the very least the B/G devices you own are not active at the same time as the others (and then when the speed is necessary).
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Only drawback is no gig-LAN, and a giant blue LED array bubble that (unless they recently fixed it) you can't turn off when using DD-WRT...
Can't buy them retail anymore, but can prob find new ones on ebay hella cheap.
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I'll stick to G until either prices come way down or my router dies. I just can't justify the expense, the WAN connection wouldn't saturate 802.11b, let alone G (I live out in the sticks), so the only reason to upgrade to N would be more on-site bandwidth... and if I need that I can run some gigabit copper for a lot less.
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