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11/09/09
All I want is for att to invest some capital into its network, but what's the point, they'll have to come up with something faster in the near future.
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"Here's what that ad does not tell you.
Verizon uses EV-DO Rev A for data, which is the 3rd generation of CDMA. It's not even a true 3g technology, 3g is defined as wcdma, or UMTS. It allows download speeds of 600 kbit/s to 1.4 Mbit/s and uploading speeds of 500-800 kbit/s.
AT&T uses UMTS, a.k.a. WCDMA, and allows download speeds of 7.2 Mbit/s, with theoritical speeds of 21mbits/s. This is the network shown on the ad's in question and is in most major metro area's right now and still growing.
If you do not have a 3G connection with AT&T you're on the EDGE network. The EDGE network allows download speeds of 400kbit/s to 1.0 mbit/s which is available in over 1.75 million square miles and reaches 256 million people in the united states.
So, in short:
Verizon: 600kb to 1.4mb almost everywhere in the US
AT&T: 400kb to 1.0 mb almost everywhere in the US and 7.2mb UMTS HSPDA 3G in most major cities. And, with AT&T you can simultaneously do data and voice while in 3g coverage. With Verizon you cannot.
So Verizon is slamming AT&T trying to compare a "3G technology" to AT&T's "3G Network" when Verizon's "3G" data rate speeds is only 200kb to 400kb faster than AT&T's "2G" network?"
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They have pretend 3g, verizon 3g is about as good as the 2g your getting (you get 1Mbps, they get 3Mbps).
Att 2g coverage is about equal to verizon '3g'. While true 3g (at 7+Mbps) is limited as it is very new to america #3g
11/08/09
A. Thats just one form of HSDPA. Its all a 3G technology. By that logic T-mobile must be rolling out 4G with their 21Mbps coverage.
B. Find me in the real world where you're actually getting the theoretical limits. EV-DO Rev. A tops out (theoretically) at 3.1 which is the same as 3.1's theoretical max. BGR did a (decisively non-scientific) study a while back and found that most aren't getting anywhere near the theoretical limits. VZW's EV-DO rev A. hit 701kbps and AT&T got 933. A difference but not really a major one. #3g
11/09/09
Now im pretty sure if the T rolls out 21Mbps it will be considered as 4g by most (hell its twice as fast as my computer!!!!) #3g
11/08/09
Someone in Verizon's Marketing dept. is getting some coal this year. And by coal I mean huge fraking bonus. #3g
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none the less this is a shity ultimatum... nice phone or good signal. ill be with the one to deliver both. that is as soon as my 2 year contract ends.
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I live in LA & the coverage here is pretty good. If the rumors are correct & Apple & Verizon will make nice with a new iPhone in late 2010, then I will be back. If not, what good is the best network if they have garbage hardware?
btw, I love these ads!
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That said, I'm kinda kicking myself now. They're making a big push in the right direction now. Both the droid phones are pretty decent and the future promises are flat out amazing. You haven't even seen them push a dumbphone lately. Even 6 months ago the chocolate touch would of been greeted with fanfare by VZW, now its launching without a peep. #3g
11/08/09
AT&T has a bit of a point in their lawsuit. Verizon should be forced to have the fast talking announcer mumble something at the end about "3G maps do not reflect all voice coverage". The bullshit small type they have in the current version of the add is too small to meet the criteria for honest advertising in my opinion. #3g
11/08/09
You know where AT&T's network coverage extends outside of the US? Nowhere.
There are other carriers outside of the US that may use the same frequencies as AT&T but that doesn't make them AT&T.
By that argument I could just point out that depending on the phone their maps would look exactly the same. #3g
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Not trying to be rude, just making a point. Verizon's "solution" to world wide coverage is not practical for most consumers. #3g
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Microsoft certainly couldn't pull it off. #3g
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Thats not to say that there aren't some areas where the iPhone is better but flat out features and capability from a hardware standpoint isn't one. #3g
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The VZW one shows their 3G areas and the AT&T one only shows 3G areas (excluding EDGE since its not 3G). #3g
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Plus I don't know of a single phone that comes on VZW as only Rev 0 anymore. #3g
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