Great article. Some commenters below have noted that Microsoft's role in this is unconfirmed but the article's point still stands: if Microsoft were to actively promote information differentiation between the search engines, it would force us to perform the same search multiple times just to be thorough and that would be very, very bad.
Sigh. Damnit Giz, you're already well known for your blatant Apple bias and now you're posting downright anti Microsoft stories based on rumour and here say alone? Never mind the fact that none of this is confirmed. Never mind that it's just Murdoch stirring some shit up that'll probably never even happen.
Never mind the fact that if this happens at all it's going to be mostly Rupert fucking Murdochs fault.
You deny it but this IS typical Microsoft bashing. You can't claim otherwise when you're calling Microsoft evil every other paragraph and in the title no less. This could have been an article on JUST the dangers of splitting searches if this does all go down. Instead it's that with a minefield of corporate bis, based on little more than rumour, thrown in.
@mike.m: did you really have to ask that last question?
The tone of the post already pointed out the idiocy of the poster.
not having easy access to all data or all points of views just leads more towards state media control.
even the reporters at the other major network news agencies figured this out when the white house put out their denial to allow fox news into a recent news conference.
They were able to easily make the leap to "the white house blocks them out now, and then later they block us out when we disagree with them".
Thus the reason they responded with their "if they aren't allowed, we won't be there either" retort and called the bluff of the white house.
@mike.m: I'm sorry, I must be mistaken. Your not actually suggesting Fox News ... is news? Do you really feel your being educated by Becks Evangelical ravings or Bill'O's bully sessions? If you think for one second Fox News is actually fair and balanced you fit into the very well defined category of functionally retarded. You can forgot rebutting with the claim I am either a leftist or simply uninformed. I do in fact watch NBC and listen to BBC's podcasts. I also read CNN's website and have a NY Times membership. You can take your pig headed overly aggressive rhetoric back to your ignorant minority. I would suggest for you to simply enjoy Giz's articles and leave the commenting to the witty and appreciative Giz readers. Also as a final note, any response is unnecessary and will likely prove my interpretation of you as an ignorant and angry sub-educated, bumbling retard. Cheers-
@Michai: Erm... I think that your accusations are kind of describing yourself. "Overly aggressive rhetoric" and "angry" aren't really describing mike.m, who introduced a simple, easy-to-understand concept that is something that people should always be willing to consider, even if it's not true. Don't think that just because you plug into all the "real" news outlets you have the moral imperative to be angry and aggressive toward others. Are you allowed to be angry and agressive? Yes. That's the point of this whole argument. I am allowed to disagree with your opinion of me and my politics. You are allowed to disagree with me and my politics. But I am not allowed to make you shut up because I dislike the way you talk about me and my politics, and you are not allowed to make me shut up because you dislike me and my politics.
Now, if you please, cease and desist the name-calling.
@Michai: In agreeing with mike.m - true unbiased coverage is seeing everything, not just what you want to see. One who wants to get the true story will read what both sides of the spectrum has to say, and then decipher for him/herself. Once you start saying that you only want to get your news from the sources you like to hear it from, you negate your own ability to cast reasonable doubt on anything you read/hear.
This is coming from someone who personally hates biased news, but I still want the ability to see what both sides are saying. If I'm going to get bias, I at least want both (or in some cases, 3 or 4) sides of it. Otherwise, you're only getting news that panders to your preconceived notions, that fulfills your inherent beliefs. You'll never challenge your own thoughts and will never grow or have the ability to hear a new argument that might actually be better than your current ideas or thoughts. (Think people who ONLY watch FoxNews, or ONLY go to PETA meetings.)
@benci007: "hates biased news". Untill robots produce the news it will be impossible to observe the news without human projection. This is the human condition, I'd like to further note I do in fact get my information from many sources. The fact I do not consider Fox a viable news source should by no means negate the fact I am opened minded. These arguments themselves are of emotional respensoes as each one clearly refers to things I have not stated, but rather were inferred to from you and the other commenters. Which makes me think that even if you watch what ever 'unbiased' news that you yourself are biased so it doesnt really matter in the end. As we are limited by our personal perspectives.
@Michai: No, not watching Fox News does not make you closed minded. But wanting to only see news that confirms your pre-existing beliefs does.
You hit the nail on the head when you said that until robots produce the news, it will always be biased. Do you think that CNN's website, BBC's podcasts, and NBC are unbiased enough for you? Because I've got news for you - they're biased. They all are. It's the ability to see ALL SIDES that allows us, as humans with working, rational brains to discern where the bias is, and which parts to avoid.
My point is that we are all inherently biased, but at least I am willing to admit it. You saying that you aren't is just hypocritical. Especially because you resort to petty name calling when someone brings up a legitimate point.
On a slight tangent - have you ever considered that due to their inherent bias, left leaning media may ignore a story that right leaning media would pick up? You may actually not read or hear about news that could potentially be important. It may be riddled with bias, but being that you are able to discern where the bias is, you'd be able to glean new information from this right leaning news source that you wouldn't have been able to from your left leaning news stations. Just something to think about. This all comes from someone who thinks that Fox News is an abomination of journalism - but yet still does hold a necessary place in our society - to challenge the views of those who assume they are always right. Because guess what, sometimes they aren't.
"I'm sorry, I must be mistaken. Your not actually suggesting Fox News ... is news?"
Yes. You are severely mistaken. Nowhere in my post did I suggest fox news is news. Stellar reading comprehension you have there.
That was an awesome reply though. No, really. It was spectacular.
I don't watch fox news. I hate fox news. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy, which you verified quite nicely.
As I suspected, you only prefer to get the news from outlets that give you the news you want to hear. You think NBC and CNN are any different than fox news? They aren't, but they cater to your political opinion, obviously.
But you must really enjoy living life inside an echo chamber. Don't cha?
Thank god I remembered to save the card Eric Schmidt handed me at the Angel Valley Spiritual Retreat in Arizona last summer.
I've already submitted my request for Google to pay me to search my comments on Giz.
Anyone have Ballmer's email?
I'm figuring nothing short of a bidding war between MS and Google can truly serve the public interest and its insatiable demand to search my ruminations on news about gadgets.
@balls187: If things don't show up in the search engine that people use, you'll soon be able to keep all that valuable content to yourself - without any customers. Good luck with that.
@Les Mikesell: Right, because WSJ clearly needs Google's help to drive traffic.
That's the point. If you have content that people want, you don't *need* Google. I don't need to Bing/Google search to find poorly written tech op/ed pieces, I can just go to Giz directly and get what I want.
Also, if something better than Google came out, people would switch to it. No one really cares what search engine they use, they just care that the results are accurate.
@balls187: Well personally, I think the fewer people that find and read Murdoch-owned content the better with WSJ as a possibly temporary exception. It would be great if someone would come up with a way to fund real investigative reporting instead of the corporate propaganda and infotainment that is all we see now, but having it controlled by one person is not the way to go.
Since it's the only way people seem to quantify the value of efficiency these days, a corollary to BLam's excellent point on search aggregators:
It's not "green" to artificially generate the necessity for more server farms. That's the PC way of saying, "Way to be a dick and waste our time and money, jerks."
Was there any doubt that M$ would leverage Bing to divide search, plunging us into the "dark ages of the internet", where everything depended on a dozen fractured search engines, lousy aggregators and the like? This is exactly the way things worked 15 years ago, and if M$ can make a buck or hurt a competitor by plunging us back into that era, they will gladly do so. I shouldn't single out M$ here, as I think there are other companies that would do the same if given the opportunity.
What is more intriguing about this deal than the possible down-side for Joe and Jane Searchy is that this possibly gives a way for journalists to make money on their work. With the death of newspapers it seemed that nearly all kitty-litter paper was destined to disappear - and it probably still is. However, what News Corp is exploring here is a new way to generate revenue for their "journalism" that could ultimately be used by all newspapers. The question is whether this can scale down to small city papers, as well.With every new twist in the road of the internet there are forks that could lead to evil or to heavenly goodness. This is one of those twists, and we could focus on the possible good side of this as well as the bad.
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Never mind the fact that if this happens at all it's going to be mostly Rupert fucking Murdochs fault.
You deny it but this IS typical Microsoft bashing. You can't claim otherwise when you're calling Microsoft evil every other paragraph and in the title no less. This could have been an article on JUST the dangers of splitting searches if this does all go down. Instead it's that with a minefield of corporate bis, based on little more than rumour, thrown in.
11/23/09
Shocking. I believe you've just described a characteristic of capitalism's reality.
11/24/09
Hahaha, yeah, I was going to comment on that.
As if there is a CEO who would think "critical acclaim" is better than sales! As if Ballmer and Microsoft were the only ones...
Frankly, this article is a bit of overreacting. It lacks quality, but it shoots audience up. Ooops.
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Destroy search engines, that will really make your company popular with the youth.
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What if it had been, Jeff Zucker, president and CEO of the *always* fair and balanced MSNBC, saying that he was pulling all NBC content off google?
Would you start using Bing? Or is it just about getting your news from people with the same opinion as you?
11/23/09
The tone of the post already pointed out the idiocy of the poster.
not having easy access to all data or all points of views just leads more towards state media control.
even the reporters at the other major network news agencies figured this out when the white house put out their denial to allow fox news into a recent news conference.
They were able to easily make the leap to "the white house blocks them out now, and then later they block us out when we disagree with them".
Thus the reason they responded with their "if they aren't allowed, we won't be there either" retort and called the bluff of the white house.
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Now, if you please, cease and desist the name-calling.
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This is coming from someone who personally hates biased news, but I still want the ability to see what both sides are saying. If I'm going to get bias, I at least want both (or in some cases, 3 or 4) sides of it. Otherwise, you're only getting news that panders to your preconceived notions, that fulfills your inherent beliefs. You'll never challenge your own thoughts and will never grow or have the ability to hear a new argument that might actually be better than your current ideas or thoughts. (Think people who ONLY watch FoxNews, or ONLY go to PETA meetings.)
11/24/09
#tips
11/24/09
You hit the nail on the head when you said that until robots produce the news, it will always be biased. Do you think that CNN's website, BBC's podcasts, and NBC are unbiased enough for you? Because I've got news for you - they're biased. They all are. It's the ability to see ALL SIDES that allows us, as humans with working, rational brains to discern where the bias is, and which parts to avoid.
My point is that we are all inherently biased, but at least I am willing to admit it. You saying that you aren't is just hypocritical. Especially because you resort to petty name calling when someone brings up a legitimate point.
On a slight tangent - have you ever considered that due to their inherent bias, left leaning media may ignore a story that right leaning media would pick up? You may actually not read or hear about news that could potentially be important. It may be riddled with bias, but being that you are able to discern where the bias is, you'd be able to glean new information from this right leaning news source that you wouldn't have been able to from your left leaning news stations. Just something to think about. This all comes from someone who thinks that Fox News is an abomination of journalism - but yet still does hold a necessary place in our society - to challenge the views of those who assume they are always right. Because guess what, sometimes they aren't.
#tips
11/25/09
"I'm sorry, I must be mistaken. Your not actually suggesting Fox News ... is news?"
Yes. You are severely mistaken. Nowhere in my post did I suggest fox news is news. Stellar reading comprehension you have there.
That was an awesome reply though. No, really. It was spectacular.
I don't watch fox news. I hate fox news. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy, which you verified quite nicely.
As I suspected, you only prefer to get the news from outlets that give you the news you want to hear. You think NBC and CNN are any different than fox news? They aren't, but they cater to your political opinion, obviously.
But you must really enjoy living life inside an echo chamber. Don't cha?
#tips
11/23/09
I typed in "tear" for a picture, and I got a gallery of "vaginal tearing during childbirth"
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@Xagest: I don't know what you're looking at, I only found tears, tears in joints, and one sad, disapproving cat.
[www.bing.com]
11/23/09
I've already submitted my request for Google to pay me to search my comments on Giz.
Anyone have Ballmer's email?
I'm figuring nothing short of a bidding war between MS and Google can truly serve the public interest and its insatiable demand to search my ruminations on news about gadgets.
11/23/09
11/23/09
If you have valuable content, why the fuck would you want to let Google/MSFT make money off of it via Search/Ad Revenue?
Also, [www.bing-vs-google.com] and now you only have to type it in once.
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That's the point. If you have content that people want, you don't *need* Google. I don't need to Bing/Google search to find poorly written tech op/ed pieces, I can just go to Giz directly and get what I want.
Also, if something better than Google came out, people would switch to it. No one really cares what search engine they use, they just care that the results are accurate.
#tips
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It's not "green" to artificially generate the necessity for more server farms. That's the PC way of saying, "Way to be a dick and waste our time and money, jerks."
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