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Again and again Gizmodo posts their outrage of unlocked phone prices. This article is extremely ignorant. OBVIOUSLY this phone is going to be subsidized on many different carriers. Just because it might not in the US doesn't mean anything. *ALL* (GSM) phones have a off-contract price comparable to the X10's.
Firstly, no one buys nice phones off-contract, so this is not even an issue. And as I said, if you do buy a fancy phone off-contract, they're all going to cost this much.
Want to know how much an iPhone costs unlocked? The 32 GB 3GS costs US$811.
6K is an average retail price in sweden sans contract. But it will be no doutly cheaper in many other countries due to lower taxes, profit margins etc. An apple iphone is 9k is sweden without a contract to give you some idea.
In all fairness, they do cost quite a bit to make and keep in mind that this is off contract. I'm pretty sure the 3GS costs just about as much off-contract.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Yeah, it's a lot but it's not really that outrageous. After all, it does have some killer internals, even if some folks are skeptical about the design.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Yep, I was just about to say that. Just checked, they were about 950 to 1050 without a contract. So 880 for a 1 Ghz phone is surpising only because it is so cheap. I'd except this to be subsidized down to about the 150 range.
Btw, I doubt the plastic exterior will make the final cut for the device.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Actually, 6000 Swedish kronor is just slightly cheaper than the off contract price of a 3GS 16GB or a HTC HD2 in Denmark right now.
I assume that prices are about the same in Sweden, so it's really not that shocking.
Even despite the so-so videos, I'm still cautiously optimistic about this phone. I think with a little more optimization, it could end up being a killer phone. The only near deal breaker for me right now is the lack of a physical keyboard, but if SE manages to deliver in the end, I may overlook that and get one of these to replace my (much beloved) G1.
Edit: but of course, that all also depends on whether or not I can get it at a very reduced price on contract through T-Mobile.
@tande04: Yea..but just sayin, the whole world's got an iPod (i think..) and probably some kind of phone anyways. Just thought if it is worth shelling out extra for an all-in-one. Which ain't so ideal actually coz if something goes wrong, everything goes wrong.
But then again wifi IS an issue and it'd be nice to be on 24-7.
HMMMMM....Ok I guess it's fine to hold onto 2 media devices. MY BAD.
I've always kept both for just that reason. I keep a few songs on my phone but not really for dedicated listening, just to have them for here or there. There are people that go with just the phone but I don't think thats the only reasoning behind this phone. Its got more going then just the media.
If SE has brains, (which unfortunately they lack) they can't price the phone high, it should be around $500-$600 mark. If they don't, then they're going to miss out on sales. I've steered clear of SE's phones already a long back since I got burnt with UIQ3 and the rest of their proprietary nonsense. It'll take a whole lot of research and convincing for me to ever go back. Moreover, this phone has very little internal memory. Where's all those 8mp images and videos going to go? C'mon, if you can't put a hard drive in there by now, then you're R&D is sleeping on the job.
@benjijk001: I agree but I think your price tag is too high.
I still think Sony needs a subsidized phone on a carrier in the US more then they thought.
There have been a number of SE phones that I find very appealing. I'm just not going to plunk down half a grand on one to get an unlocked version. Yes, its a great way to go if you can but the reality of the US market is not only that most people can't, they don't. Part of it could just be consumer confusion. Part of it is just the way the system works here. You need a new phone you go to a (carrier specific) phone store. Its starting to change a bit more and the fact that Best Buy got in on the multiple carriers and recently the unlocked is nice but its still not there.
@tande04: Price tag is too high? Are you serious? Did you even bother reading the specifications?
It has an 8 megapixel camera.. Built in. My blackberry 8900 has a 3.2 and takes amazing pictures, so having an 8 mp camera built into a phone is worth 1-150 alone.
And the processor? 1ghz on a PHONE?
Again, my 8900 has a 512mhz, so this phone has double the clock speed.
And what about the display resolution?
The 8900 displays 480x360px, The x10 displays 800x480
@otko: Like the other conversation we were having though I don't know if its an end all win for Sony though. Sony needs a US flagship carrier phone. They've shown time and time again they're getting closer with the hardware and the software, they just need the name recognition now. I'd be amazed if many people even know that sony makes cell phones in the US.
I imagine they'll do something like Nokia is doing with the n900. Offer up an unlocked one for the people that really want to go that way but really put a push out for a carrier subsidized phone.
@tande04: That would be ideal. I could see that being a very smart move for SE. Nobody ever says "Hey, how about that new Sony Ericsson phone". I would be very happy to make this my next phone if it were to land on T-Mobile. I've always liked the Xperia line-especially being that HTC really built them. I don't like how chunky it is but you can throw that in the list of non-deal breakers if it's picked up and subsidized. That big screen, the Nexus on top of Android-it would be a sweet fight for mothers love between the Droid and the X10.
I really like it, but it'll never make it here. No carrier will pick it up, which means it will be super expensive. It's bulky and most people want a little bit of space in their pocket along with their phone, and now that Android has been launched in some way on 3 of the 4 carriers, there won't be that much of a demand for this outside of the people that know about it, which is the tech community in general.
@otko: i'd generally agree with your point but the fact that they specifically mention they want it on a carrier gives me hope that someday I'll beable to touch and afford one.
@tande04: I'm basing most of my opinion off of what the Xperia's have meant to people here-not picked up and not mentioned much after release. However, those were WinMo so this could be their ticket off that awful island.
@otko: Even their not WinMo phones are pretty hard to come by state side on a carrier. I had high hopes for the Idou but even at the time I was pretty sure I'd never see one.
Turns out I was right, I'm hoping this one doesn't turn out the same.
I think its more of a SE thing than a carrier thing. Even the original Xperia was a pretty lusted over phone (though it was flawed). I'm sure any carrier would have loved to have it. I don't know how aggressively they ever shopped around the other 'X' phones or the Idou but I get the impression they didn't. It the same with how Nokia has largely viewed the US market. Its take it or leave it not lets reach an agreement. I think both have now realized they have a lot to gain by playing the carrier game a little better.
Having watched a few of the hands on videos, and because I've had a Droid for a few weeks, this phone just lacks wow because we've all seen and are used to the Android 2.0 OS at this point. It seems like it does everything exactly the same as the Droid, but just has a nicer, blue interface with some fancier graphics. Again, having used the Droid for a few weeks, in the end, this Sony phone does the same thing as the Droid, but maybe just looks slightly better while it's at it. It's nothing new to us at this point. It's kinda like using windows 7 for the first time. Once you've seen it, you don't care if it's running on a Dell or a HP, it's still windows 7. That brings up another interesting point...does the Droid win because it was the first one out? If an OS is an OS, does the competition only stand between phones with differing OSs? Droid vs. iPhone vs. Blackberry? Hmmm. Lastly, I agree, I thought the Media and graphics on this phone were awesome, but the rest of it just looks like a skinned Droid. I don't care as much as I once did.
@fmcfad01: I find your comment odd yet interesting.
the parallels aren't there first off. You can't make a 2.0 comparison because its not 2.0 (droid still is the only one). Even beyond that its just odd. Its kinda cool that you use the droid but you can really make the same comparison across the board. 2.0 didn't really change much in the end.
So its funny to me 'cause the droid wouldn't enter into my argument other than being that its the highest 'benchmarked' one right now. Short of that (which the sony phone is going to win on) it just comes down to the skin and the functionality that it may add or take away. I think it looks pretty nice compared to generic android.
This article filled me with a warm, self-congratulatory feeling. I bought a Droid recently, knowing that the specs on the Xperia 10 would wipe it out. But I couldn't wait those extra couple of months. I wanted a smartphone NOW. Although it's never good when a company invests so much into a piece of hardware that ultimately feels cheap, I'm patting myself on the back with my hefty, well-crafted Droid.
@ElroyStubbern: Specs on the Droid aren't "wiped out" by the X10. Never compare CPU frequencies from different manufacturers or families. The ol' Intel adage of more MHz = more power should have been killed in your brain by now!
@Septhinox: Some like tactile nublet keyboards. Why not cater to both since you can or, at the very least, make it modular so you can have one if you want or have only touchscreen if you want.
@Nathan Obbards: Modular keyboards are incredibly annoying to do. Why not just get a phone with a keyboard if you want, and get one without if you don't? That's why I have a pre and not an iphone, and that's why a lot of my friends have iphones and not pres/blackberries/droids.
@Adam: Perhaps you like one phone better than another and the phone you like only comes with a touchscreen keyboard.
I have fat fingers. For people like me, a nublet keypad is so much easier to type on than a touchscreen. If they can make a touchscreen that I can use without misspelling everything, I will switch, but until then, I will remain hampered in my phone choices.
@Nathan Obbards: you make no sense, if you don't like phones with only touchscreen keyboards (because of fat fingers), why would the only phone you like only come with a touchscreen keyboard?
See: In The Dictionary, Oxymoron
@stevenajohnson: Makes perfect sense to me. You may like the features of a phone, the OS, it's reliability, its build quality, many other things and hate the fact that it has a touchscreen keyboard. Perhaps no other phone on the market is even close in features and usability to it.
Let's say I want an iPhone because of the app store, iTunes integration, and the OS, all features that are endemic solely to the iPhone; however, the iPhone has no physical keyboard. So, in essence, you are saying that the there are viable alternatives that fulfill those explicit preferences of mine? If you say yes, you are lying. No other phone on the market contains those specific features. Yes, there are other app stores, but perhaps I feel they are inadequate or insufficient. Perhaps I only use iTunes and it would be incredibly difficult for me to sync my music with another phone because I am technically inept or do not want to deal with the extra hassle because my time is important. Perhaps the OS is so good no other phone touches it. In that case, I truly only have one phone I like and it only has a touchscreen keyboard.
You fallaciously assume that there is the possibility that there is no one phone that someone may exclusively like or want save for one glaring flaw. Thus, in making a decision, they must satisfice in order to select the phone which gives the the most utility while detracting the least from their perceived utility. Whenever you make a choice, multiple factors come into play and you have to measure the perceived costs and benefits of the outcome.
@Nathan Obbards: Hopefully one day everyone will have a phone that is perfect for them; but for now, no one does, and anyone that says so is a liar. Here's hoping Snapdragon and Android will make a perfect couple...
@Dr. Evil Genius:
I too am playing the waiting game for a nice, juicy, SnapDragon powered HTC/Android device. Hell they have been testing the processor for a couple years now. What gives HTC?
11/19/09
Firstly, no one buys nice phones off-contract, so this is not even an issue. And as I said, if you do buy a fancy phone off-contract, they're all going to cost this much.
Want to know how much an iPhone costs unlocked? The 32 GB 3GS costs US$811.
Don't believe me? Here: [store.apple.com]
Just type in "6288 HKD in USD" in Google and they'll give you a conversion.
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Btw, I doubt the plastic exterior will make the final cut for the device.
11/19/09
I assume that prices are about the same in Sweden, so it's really not that shocking.
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Edit: but of course, that all also depends on whether or not I can get it at a very reduced price on contract through T-Mobile.
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But then again wifi IS an issue and it'd be nice to be on 24-7.
HMMMMM....Ok I guess it's fine to hold onto 2 media devices. MY BAD.
11/19/09
I've always kept both for just that reason. I keep a few songs on my phone but not really for dedicated listening, just to have them for here or there. There are people that go with just the phone but I don't think thats the only reasoning behind this phone. Its got more going then just the media.
11/18/09
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I still think Sony needs a subsidized phone on a carrier in the US more then they thought.
There have been a number of SE phones that I find very appealing. I'm just not going to plunk down half a grand on one to get an unlocked version. Yes, its a great way to go if you can but the reality of the US market is not only that most people can't, they don't. Part of it could just be consumer confusion. Part of it is just the way the system works here. You need a new phone you go to a (carrier specific) phone store. Its starting to change a bit more and the fact that Best Buy got in on the multiple carriers and recently the unlocked is nice but its still not there.
11/19/09
It has an 8 megapixel camera.. Built in. My blackberry 8900 has a 3.2 and takes amazing pictures, so having an 8 mp camera built into a phone is worth 1-150 alone.
And the processor? 1ghz on a PHONE?
Again, my 8900 has a 512mhz, so this phone has double the clock speed.
And what about the display resolution?
The 8900 displays 480x360px, The x10 displays 800x480
The 8900 costs 4-500 dollars.
So, I think 5-600 is more than fair.
11/19/09
I'm not alone.
11/18/09
When I look back at all the gadgets I used, surprizingly it's the ones I was more "meh" about that ended up being used the most...
11/18/09
*crossingfingers*
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I imagine they'll do something like Nokia is doing with the n900. Offer up an unlocked one for the people that really want to go that way but really put a push out for a carrier subsidized phone.
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Turns out I was right, I'm hoping this one doesn't turn out the same.
I think its more of a SE thing than a carrier thing. Even the original Xperia was a pretty lusted over phone (though it was flawed). I'm sure any carrier would have loved to have it. I don't know how aggressively they ever shopped around the other 'X' phones or the Idou but I get the impression they didn't. It the same with how Nokia has largely viewed the US market. Its take it or leave it not lets reach an agreement. I think both have now realized they have a lot to gain by playing the carrier game a little better.
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the parallels aren't there first off. You can't make a 2.0 comparison because its not 2.0 (droid still is the only one). Even beyond that its just odd. Its kinda cool that you use the droid but you can really make the same comparison across the board. 2.0 didn't really change much in the end.
So its funny to me 'cause the droid wouldn't enter into my argument other than being that its the highest 'benchmarked' one right now. Short of that (which the sony phone is going to win on) it just comes down to the skin and the functionality that it may add or take away. I think it looks pretty nice compared to generic android.
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I guess I can forgive this comment, since there was no way for you to know which specs I was talking about.
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The disagreement was whether you can compare a 600 mhz chip set to a 1Ghz chip set on numbers alone.
Elroy was referring to the fact that chip set aside many of the other specs on the x10 are better then the same specs on the droid.
11/18/09
#tips
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I have fat fingers. For people like me, a nublet keypad is so much easier to type on than a touchscreen. If they can make a touchscreen that I can use without misspelling everything, I will switch, but until then, I will remain hampered in my phone choices.
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See: In The Dictionary, Oxymoron
11/18/09
Let's say I want an iPhone because of the app store, iTunes integration, and the OS, all features that are endemic solely to the iPhone; however, the iPhone has no physical keyboard. So, in essence, you are saying that the there are viable alternatives that fulfill those explicit preferences of mine? If you say yes, you are lying. No other phone on the market contains those specific features. Yes, there are other app stores, but perhaps I feel they are inadequate or insufficient. Perhaps I only use iTunes and it would be incredibly difficult for me to sync my music with another phone because I am technically inept or do not want to deal with the extra hassle because my time is important. Perhaps the OS is so good no other phone touches it. In that case, I truly only have one phone I like and it only has a touchscreen keyboard.
You fallaciously assume that there is the possibility that there is no one phone that someone may exclusively like or want save for one glaring flaw. Thus, in making a decision, they must satisfice in order to select the phone which gives the the most utility while detracting the least from their perceived utility. Whenever you make a choice, multiple factors come into play and you have to measure the perceived costs and benefits of the outcome.
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I too am playing the waiting game for a nice, juicy, SnapDragon powered HTC/Android device. Hell they have been testing the processor for a couple years now. What gives HTC?
[www.pcworld.com]
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The sooner the better. I am soooooo ready to ditch my Pre.