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    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    Of course, this probably doesn't show used game sales. I'm sure for used games, just take the graph and turn it upside down. #videogamesales
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    I'm on a two year lag. I'm still playing games that released in '07. #videogamesales
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    Image of travisco_nabisco travisco_nabisco
    11/16/09

    @ripfire: ++ In good conscience I can only buy a few $60 games a year, so the older games with price drops get played much more often.

    Also I do have the income to buy as many games as I want, but there are a lot of things that are more valuable to me than always playing the newest and greatest game the week it comes out. #videogamesales
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    ripfire promoted this comment travisco_nabisco was starred travisco_nabisco was unstarred
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    11/16/09

    @travisco_nabisco: Seriously! I could spend $60 bucks for one game. Yeah, I did that with Fallout 3. Or I could spend $20 bucks for three used games: Bioshock, Modern Warfare(1), and The Darkness. I'm currently playing Bioshock. Man it's awesome!

    Oh btw, don't tell me about the cake. I want to find out for myself.
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    Edited by ripfire at 11/16/09 1:45 PM ripfire was starred ripfire was unstarred
    Image of daveyac001 daveyac001
    11/16/09

    @ripfire: there is no cake in bioshock...confusing two great games
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    ripfire promoted this comment daveyac001 was starred daveyac001 was unstarred
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    11/16/09

    @daveyac001: Yeah I know. It was an edit/response to the comic which isn't related to Bioshock. #videogamesales
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    Image of TheNimboo TheNimboo
    11/16/09

    @ripfire: Now I'm curious, what is the other game that has to do with cake? I LOVED bioshock too #videogamesales
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    ripfire promoted this comment TheNimboo was starred TheNimboo was unstarred
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    11/16/09

    @TheNimboo: As far as I know, Portal. #videogamesales
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    Image of faulpeltz faulpeltz
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    lets not jump the gun, maybe there is a correlation between video game sales and games released (popular titles, sequels, etc...). Now factor in the recession with only a few major game releases now we are talking about a crappy sales year. #videogamesales
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment faulpeltz was starred faulpeltz was unstarred
    Image of davere davere
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    I'm not really a gamer, but I did receive a PS3 for my birthday, mostly because I had been wanting a Blu-Ray player. I was shocked to find out that games were $60 each. I would have bought some at a lower price point, but at $60 I've bought one and have no plans to purchase any more unless I can find them used at Amazon and for $40 or less. #videogamesales
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    Mark Wilson promoted this comment davere was starred davere was unstarred
    Image of chauncy that billups chauncy that billups
    11/16/09

    @davere: you can find plenty of year old classics, including Assassin's Creed, Metal Gear IV, Elder Scrolls IV, Grand Theft Auto IV (lots of IV's, huh?) for $15 to $25 at Gamestop and other places. No need to get new releases at that price. #videogamesales
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    Image of rivercat rivercat
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    The same, the same! Just like TV, they are all the same!! Note to game designers: Do something new and different!!! #videogamesales
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    Mark Wilson promoted this comment rivercat was starred rivercat was unstarred
    Image of Aertea Aertea
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    As many people mentioned on the kotaku thread, and this one; its not a decrease in sales. Saying so is highly misleading. Its more like sales have hit ceiling rather than a wall.

    Lets take history into account a bit and think about what September 07 had that September 06 didn't: The Wii. Sales of video games almost doubled because the number of current generation consoles in homes also almost doubled. This is quite an expected outcome don't you think?

    Once the "new and exciting" calms down, so do the sales. This chart doesn't show anything you couldn't have figured out on your own.
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    P3nnst8r promoted this comment Edited by Aertea at 11/16/09 10:59 AM Aertea was starred Aertea was unstarred
    Image of MrBlahBlah MrBlahBlah
    11/16/09

    @Aertea: Sales are shrinking when the growth is negative. But then again, if you look at the last 2 years, there has still be tremendous growth in the period (anything above the 0% line).

    I think a more accurate way to describe this is chart is "video game growth is not immune from the recession" #videogamesales
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    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    Its not a drop in game sales. The sale was increasing up until Mar' 09. #videogamesales
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    chauncy that billups promoted this comment Godseye was starred Godseye was unstarred
    Image of chauncy that billups chauncy that billups
    11/16/09

    @Godseye: Looks like the recession finally caught up in the last quarters of '09. But good point. #videogamesales
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    Image of Peter Shultz Peter Shultz
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    A slightly different take:

    sep. 2006 a good year (assumed)

    sep. 2007 80% better than 2006.

    Sep. 2008 5% worse than 2007 but 75% better than 2006.

    Sep. 2009 20% worse than 2008 and 25% worse than 2007, but 55% better than 2006.

    If the industry was sustainable in 2006 then this isn't bad at all. On the other had if the industry is addicted to growth for profits then this is not good. #videogamesales
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    Image of ThirzaLepidus ThirzaLepidus
    11/16/09

    @Peter Shultz: Not to mention there are other factors like a less than stellar game lineup prior to this point in the year (compared to the past 2 years), and the fact that the consoles are aging resulting in lowered excitement over new games and therefor lower sales.

    Expecting an unending growth in sales is silly, the industry is still doing exceptionally well. Especially when compared to what it was just 2-5 years ago. #videogamesales
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment ThirzaLepidus was starred ThirzaLepidus was unstarred
    Image of chauncy that billups chauncy that billups
    11/16/09

    @ThirzaLepidus: "Expecting an unending growth in sales is silly."

    Almost as silly as expecting unending growth in, say, the housing market? Assumptions of never-ending growth really seem to be the easily-avoided downfall of the current market system. #videogamesales
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    Image of iamnotafish iamnotafish
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"
    I'm not sure that you can't compare quarters directly because big releases don't occur in the same quarter year after year. For example, Q1 2010 is going to be huge with all the games scheduled to release then, whereas in Q1 2009, not many big games came out (that I remember) #videogamesales
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment iamnotafish was starred iamnotafish was unstarred
    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/16/09

    In reply to Video Games Apparently Not "Recession-Proof"

    Time to break out my wooden Labyrinth game. #videogamesales
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    Image of chauncy that billups chauncy that billups
    11/16/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: you just have to go see the babe. the babe with the power. #videogamesales
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    Image of KaZx KaZx
    11/16/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Nice, have you ever pulled that out while watcing labyrinth? #videogamesales
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/16/09

    @KaZx: Who can concentrate with David Bowie piercing my soul with his dead stare? #videogamesales
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    Image of KaZx KaZx
    11/16/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Nice to know im not the only one frozen by Bowie Stare, almost hypnotized to compelled to keep watching. Maybe that how he has powers on the Venture Bros, he drains our souls for it. #videogamesales
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    Image of Odin Odin
    10/06/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    It'd be interesting to see how many of those Macs are running Windows as well.

    Apple and OSX infuriate me sometimes though. Over the past few weeks 4 out of the 5 people in my household got iPod Touchs/iPhones (I'm the 5th). As I programmer I figured that since I have access to a wealth of dev machines now I might try some app programming. I then learn that Apple in their infinite wisdom (read: dickishness) have locked app development to OSX.

    Well screw you Apple, I'm not interested enough in your platform to buy a new machine for.

    END RANT
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    Image of CleverName CleverName
    10/06/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    3 in the home, no PCs. Windows can burn in Hell.
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    Odin promoted this comment CleverName was starred CleverName was unstarred
    Image of Odin Odin
    10/06/09

    @wrong: You'll have to show Windows around when it gets there.
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    Image of kitsuneconundrum kitsuneconundrum
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    make sense, all my mac friends straight up boot camp.
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    Image of mattbarrie mattbarrie
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    Learn the meaning of the word "of".

    15% of 12% = 1.8%
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    frigg approved this comment mattbarrie was starred mattbarrie was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    @mattbarrie: that's exactly the point.

    He writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    ... the "of" means that the "12% of homes with a Mac" becomes 100% of the subset in which he's distinguishing between Mac-exclusive vs. Mac+PC.

    100% (the 12% subset of homes with Macs) - 85% (the % of that subset with Mac + PC) = 15% (households that are Mac-only within the subset of homes that have at least one Mac).

    Also, if you go beyond the math, doesn't it also make common sense: if only 2% of Mac-owning households were Mac exclusive, that would mean virtually everyone with a Mac would also have a PC. That doesn't seem to be true in real life, but an 85% (mixed) / 15% (exclusive) split among Mac owners is credible.
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 7:20 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    In reply to Almost Nobody Owns Just Macs
    What am I missing?

    John writes "of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    But the study says "Of those 12 percent, nearly 85 percent also own a Windows-based PC."

    Wouldn't that mean of the 12% of homes with a Mac, a little more than 15% are Mac-exclusive (not 2%)?
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    Image of HyperDrunk HyperDrunk
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 85% of 12% = 2%, 12 * 0.15 = 1.8% exactly. It's a percentage of a percentage.

    Another way of looking at that is 10.2% of homes with computers own both a MAC and a Windows based computer.
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    Reil: Ignore this promoted this comment Edited by HyperDrunk at 10/05/09 6:26 PM HyperDrunk was starred HyperDrunk was unstarred
    Image of cherring09 cherring09
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 2% of total households that own a computer.
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    Reil: Ignore this approved this comment cherring09 was starred cherring09 was unstarred
    Image of frigg frigg
    10/05/09

    @cherring09: exactly... 2% of total households.

    But of the subset of households that own Macs (12% of total households, or 100% of households with Macs), if 85% of them also own PCs, that's 85% of 100% of the households with Macs, leaving 15% not 2% of the subset of households with Macs exclusively Mac.

    No?
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 7:15 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
    Image of HyperDrunk HyperDrunk
    10/05/09

    @frigg: 15% of homes with macs, have only macs, would be correct, but that wasn't how it was read in the post. they were saying 85% of 12% which is why only 2% of total homes with computers have only Macs, not 85% of 100% mac households.
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    frigg promoted this comment HyperDrunk was starred HyperDrunk was unstarred
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    10/05/09

    @HyperDrunk: That's right. total homes. But what he said was "What's surprising (or not) is that of the 12% of homes with a Mac, less than 2% are Mac-exclusive."

    (my emphasis. he didn't say total homes, he said homes with a mac, which gives the wrong stat).
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    Edited by frigg at 10/05/09 11:00 PM frigg was starred frigg was unstarred
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