I'm a radiation medicine physician. First off, those are some very sad images. But keep in mind, orphanages anywhere are generally going to have their fair share of unfortunate children with birth defects, retardation, etc., regardless of whether the orphanage is near previous nuclear test sites.
But, that said, the consequences of radiation exposure in utero are relatively well-studied. To over-simplify, exposure in the 0 to 4 week timeframe usually leads to outright death of the embryo, or the embryo survives unharmed (it's a pretty sensitive developmental time, and usually the radiation insult will be survivable, or 100% not survivable). In the 8 to 15 week timeframe, radiation exposure of a harmful enough level will usually lead to serious organ damage and a newborn which will have a very limited survival. In the 8 to 30 week timeframe, mental retardation/microcephaly and perhaps growth stunting are possible, but the most sensitive timeframe is 8 to 16 weeks for retardation. Past 30 weeks, the fetus has about the same risk profile as an adult: either you survive the radiation exposure, or you don't; but either way, no harmful structural abnormalities will result. Cancer risks (leukemia, thyroid e.g.) are increased substantially later in life (childhood, adulthood). Again, in general, substantially increased risks of remarkable, unsightly birth defects is rare; this is based on the Hiroshima/Nagasaki data, and the emerging Chernobyl data.
So, my opinion on the pictures is: the child with macrocephaly (large head) was not a radiation-associated case. The children with retardation and microcephaly could be radiation-associated. The young man that looks the most deformed probably has a case of large facial angiomatous malformations, and those are almost certainly not radiation-related. #nucleartest
Well, I was looking forward to picking up my copy of Modern Warfare 2 and unleashing the tactical nuke in multiplayer, but this just makes me sad for the innumerable lives lost and affected by the advancement of nuclear technology. #nucleartest
wow. truly a sad images that destroyed my bubbly day. Now i really want to go on a rant but ill let it go because I have a lot of work to get done.
Truly the least you can ask for is a safe testing of nuclear technology. There are SO MUCH space in russia its ridiculous... they couldn't have chosen a better place to do this? #nucleartest
I hope our world leaders will take a good hard look at these pictures and strengthen their resolve to honor these victims by pursuing peace and preventing nuclear proliferation. #nucleartest
I thought the headline read "Dirty Bomb emergency meal kit" and was some new meal at McDonalds or something... even the picture lead me on to believe this for a few more seconds till I reread the headline...
"The Day After" was tame compared to films we'd already seen in the UK. It was billed as the film that had shocked America. When it came on UK TV, it was like "And...?".
If this was shocking to Americans, then it was no wonder they are so gung-ho and had a president who seemed ready to push the button at any moment. Were Americans really so uniformed as to be surprised by the contents of this film.
Compared to films like "Threads" it made a nuclear war seem like a slightly bad day at the office.
@LittleJon: A letter was sent home to my parents about this movie, and urging parents not to let their children watch it, and stressing that children would not be allowed to talk about the movie on school grounds.
My parents spent the evening watching the movie with me, and asked if I had any questions about it. I never had any nightmares or real concerns, I was just disturbed about how I couldn't talk about it at school.
@Uncletwitch: Y'all confuse me and I think the link supports what nagumi is saying. Dirty bomb=little possibility of lethal effect. It seems to me a dirty bomb is bomb to screw up real estate values for 1,000 years.
At Radiation Training, the instructor started telling us anecdotes about how every year there is at least one intentional radiation poisoning at a major research institution. I asked "if the effects of small and medium doses of radiation don't manifest for years and radiation is difficult to detect (especially beta emitters), then how do we know this isn't happening way more often?"
He said "we don't." I never ate anything in lab again. No food in the fridge, no free food, nothing.
@The Lab: btw, that's what's scary about a dirty bomb. it doesn't have to explode. someone just contaminates an area and informs people long afterwards. by that time, you've been exposed, houses and cars are contaminated and the damage can't be undone. awful stuff.
@Redwraithvienna: So the terrorist wouldn't wait five years. They'd say "last week we contaminated the subway system." Radiation contamination would be confirmed. Everyone who rode the subway would freak out. Hundreds of thousands of apartments would be tested, buildings decontaminated and people would fear cancer. That fear is the terror that terrorists seek. I think it is the second biggest threat, right after weaponized smallpox.
@The Lab: That's why nearly all major cities in the world have networked geiger counters spread out. It would be hard to even bring radioactive material onto the subway without law enforcement finding out automatically. A detonation would make a lot of little red lights turn on.
@nagumi: Isotopes that are Beta emitters like tritium do not emit radiation that is detectable with Geiger counters. You need to wipe surfaces with a Kim wipe, place in a scintillation vial and read on a special machine. There is no automated way to detect Beta emitters. Beta emitters will give you nasty cancer.
@TechSurfer: See above. Some radiation sources emits high-energy radiation that travels only very short distances. You have to wipe down surfaces in order to detect this radiation. Therefore, unless the govt. is doing spot checks and wiping surfaces, this material will never be detected.
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But, that said, the consequences of radiation exposure in utero are relatively well-studied. To over-simplify, exposure in the 0 to 4 week timeframe usually leads to outright death of the embryo, or the embryo survives unharmed (it's a pretty sensitive developmental time, and usually the radiation insult will be survivable, or 100% not survivable). In the 8 to 15 week timeframe, radiation exposure of a harmful enough level will usually lead to serious organ damage and a newborn which will have a very limited survival. In the 8 to 30 week timeframe, mental retardation/microcephaly and perhaps growth stunting are possible, but the most sensitive timeframe is 8 to 16 weeks for retardation. Past 30 weeks, the fetus has about the same risk profile as an adult: either you survive the radiation exposure, or you don't; but either way, no harmful structural abnormalities will result. Cancer risks (leukemia, thyroid e.g.) are increased substantially later in life (childhood, adulthood). Again, in general, substantially increased risks of remarkable, unsightly birth defects is rare; this is based on the Hiroshima/Nagasaki data, and the emerging Chernobyl data.
So, my opinion on the pictures is: the child with macrocephaly (large head) was not a radiation-associated case. The children with retardation and microcephaly could be radiation-associated. The young man that looks the most deformed probably has a case of large facial angiomatous malformations, and those are almost certainly not radiation-related. #nucleartest
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Truly the least you can ask for is a safe testing of nuclear technology. There are SO MUCH space in russia its ridiculous... they couldn't have chosen a better place to do this? #nucleartest
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If this was shocking to Americans, then it was no wonder they are so gung-ho and had a president who seemed ready to push the button at any moment. Were Americans really so uniformed as to be surprised by the contents of this film.
Compared to films like "Threads" it made a nuclear war seem like a slightly bad day at the office.
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My parents spent the evening watching the movie with me, and asked if I had any questions about it. I never had any nightmares or real concerns, I was just disturbed about how I couldn't talk about it at school.
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He said "we don't." I never ate anything in lab again. No food in the fridge, no free food, nothing.
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I mean shall they say "I set up a dirty bomb 5 years ago - My proof : The Cancer rate in that area is 20 % higher then normal"
Doenst really sound that scary right ?
Even if thousands die ... a traditional car bomb is much more effective.
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I'm pretty sure that one only contains a bar of soap and a wash cloth...
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Also what Potassium Iodide?
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