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    Image of madog madog
    11/23/09

    In reply to Chrome OS and Android Are Destined to Merge, Somehow

    Added an image to see if I could edit it out or see the embed code so I could manually insert it into a different post. Normally images can't later be edited into comments so..... yeah. Sorry.
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    Image of Yerzriknot Yerzriknot
    11/23/09

    In reply to Chrome OS and Android Are Destined to Merge, Somehow
    Android is a superior OS. Google would have been so much better off focusing on Android and making it better for netbooks.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/23/09

    In reply to Chrome OS and Android Are Destined to Merge, Somehow
    I disagree, John. When dealing with the internet, I don't think that someone needs to have a plan as to exactly what an operating system needs to be any farther than a year or two down the road. How could you possibly predict that anyways? Did any of us know what the internet would look like today even three or four years ago? Heck, four or five years ago, I was startled to discover the existence of YouTube, after trying to host my videos on angelfire and link them to my blog. At the time, sharing bandwidth among websites was a huge no-no. Now, it happens in the comments here everyday and no one thinks twice.

    I think taking the attitude that the internet will evolve as it will is great. They can provide the tools that are in demand today and let Future Google worry about the future.
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    Image of helfrez helfrez
    11/23/09

    In reply to Chrome OS and Android Are Destined to Merge, Somehow
    I think the title of this article is seriously overblown. As mobile device processing power increases, sure we will have spill over. Converge does not mean snuffing out android as your post/image would imply.

    Sure the platforms will converge, as all platforms do. But I could say windows 7 and windows mobile will converge over time, and would I be very far off...nope...didnt give a timetable.

    I could say iPhone OSX and PC OSx will coverge over time as computing power increases, would I be wrong, nope..they probably will.

    My point, dont post speculations, inferences, and assumptions as FoxNews style Facts.
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    John Herrman promoted this comment Edited by helfrez at 11/23/09 10:16 AM helfrez was starred helfrez was unstarred
    Image of John Herrman John Herrman
    11/23/09

    @helfrez: Isn't this exactly what I said? Brin and Schmidt are just saying obvious things, instead of stating plans?
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    11/23/09

    @John Herrman: I think its the combination of the title and image.

    "will likely converge" is not equal to "Are Destined to Converge"
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    Image of Benguin Benguin
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    I wouldn't say Windows 7 is doomed to be forgotten because it's adoption rate is so low at this point. You have to remember to take into consideration the difference between Mac and PC users.

    Mac users tend to be more technologically savvy consumers who will go out of their way to upgrade, whereas many Windows users are just run of the mill folk that really don't give two shits about what OS they're on. They upgrade when they buy a new computer. As time goes on we'll see the numbers grow as people buy new machines with 7 preinstalled.

    As far as Windows XP though, that will probably continue to be high with all the netbooks out there. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Benguin: I think the language is ambiguous, but I think he's saying that Vista is the one that's doomed to be forgotten. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Sunfire-: Ah. Well thanks all of you for pointing out my failure of comprehension. Haha. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Benguin: Haha, in your defense, there are a ridiculous amount of commas in that sentence. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Benguin: I disagree. I think the heading of the article was spot on: REALITY CHECK. These Apple Fanboys have been bouncing off the walls about how they have 30%+ of the OS market share and how windows is going downhill. Well, knock knock? Who's there? 92%. 92% who? Well, allow me to reintroduce myslef---my name is HOV, nigga*, H-to-the-O-V. #osmarketshare
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    Image of Aphex Ninja Aphex Ninja
    11/06/09

    @Benguin: I whole heartedly agree. Coming from working for apple tech support I can tell you that most mac users are up to date on their systems and know what's coming out and when it's coming out.

    Microsoft as a whole is much much larger than apple, and thus the sheer amount of computers to compare could be completely throwing off the comparison. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @MANCREEP: I don't think I've ever heard anybody ever claim that OS X had anything even close to 30%. I'm glad you're so proud of your OS's market share though.

    @Bs Baldwin: But what percentage of Windows users are coders and programmers? Definitely not the majority. I never said all Mac users or all Windows users, but by and large in my experience it's the Mac users who have been more aware of the state of tech. #osmarketshare
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    11/10/09

    @Benguin: not so much proud, as "down to earth" would be a much better description. and if you havent hear that claim, then you prolly havent hung around some serious Apple freaks. unfortunately, i suffer thru it all day. lol. #osmarketshare
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    Image of P3nnst8r P3nnst8r
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    Poor Millenium Edition... #osmarketshare
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    Image of Paul Anderson Paul Anderson
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    Where is the Linux share? #osmarketshare
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    FigNinja promoted this comment Paul Anderson was starred Paul Anderson was unstarred
    Image of FigNinja FigNinja
    11/06/09

    @Paul Anderson: Well there's 2.21% not accounted for. I'm guessing it's in there. #osmarketshare
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    Image of ID Ron Burgundy ID Ron Burgundy
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    Yesterday I spent quite a few hours in Windows 7 testing all of my apps, custom-built programs, and other things. It was nice, and surprisingly fast. It "feels" faster than Snow Leopard, which is quite surprising to me. Though, I did have a few problems in Win 7; especially with connecting my Apple wireless keyboard, and having my display settings saved after a shut-down.

    I'm no fanboy either way, but seeing the worldwide market share is interesting.
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    Edited by ID Ron Burgundy at 11/06/09 12:31 PM ID Ron Burgundy was starred ID Ron Burgundy was unstarred
    Image of Ryanrule Ryanrule
    11/06/09

    @Identity (reclamation): If you want to use an apple bluetooth keyboard, you need the driver from the bootcamp cd.

    Apple does not distribute this driver, because in their eyes, FUCK YOU! #osmarketshare
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    Identity (reclamation) promoted this comment Ryanrule was starred Ryanrule was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @Ryanrule: Oh believe me, if it was only a driver thing, that would have been simple. Getting the driver was the easy bit. Insert Bootcamp dvd and ... Boom! #osmarketshare
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    11/07/09

    @Identity (reclamation): Well I use that keyboard on my windows 7 box. Had to get it off a torrent. #osmarketshare
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    Image of Xagest Xagest
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    I honestly don't think the XP usage value is going to change much. Companies already bought their volume licenses for XP, and I don't think they'd want to shell out cash for a flashier OS.

    Honestly, Vista and Windows 7 aren't really necessary in the business environment. They look and feel great, but they offer almost nothing "functional" as far as business is concerned. #osmarketshare
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    Image of bradydoll001 bradydoll001
    11/06/09

    @Xagest: You are completely wrong about that. Windows Vista and 7 have much greater security and more importantly they have a greater ability for management. Using Group Policy you are able to lock down and control Windows Vista and 7 machines to a much greater level than you could with XP. There may not be anything specific to end users, but for IT they are significantly easier to manage.
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    Xagest promoted this comment bradydoll001 was starred bradydoll001 was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @bradydoll001: I guess it depends on the work environment. In many companies, each employee owns 1 workstation (usually a laptop), so stuff like user groups isn't all that useful (only 1 user). Because XP is being pushed to netbooks and such, security patches are still strong.

    Ah well, we'll see how it pans out. #osmarketshare
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    Image of rDub rDub
    11/06/09

    @Xagest: What industry are you in that uses all laptops? Some small start ups might sport that happy situation but most big companies are still rocking the old school desktops.

    I have 3 pcs (all running xp) a linux dev box and a mac pro under my poor crowded desk ... only place i use a lap top is in the lab

    but hey ... that's just me #osmarketshare
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    Xagest promoted this comment rDub was starred rDub was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @rDub: IBM. We all have Thinkpads with XP on it. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Xagest: and @SSgtTEX: Ahh well thats really good to know ... i happen to currently work with the military, thus my situation. It's been a while since i worked for a purely civilian company so this is all good news to me! I will gladly make the switch to a laptop when they let me! #osmarketshare
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    Image of Skunky Skunky
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    This chart lacks the truly important number: how many people are still running Amiga? #osmarketshare
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    Image of Limekiller Limekiller
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    I'd love to switch, but AutoCAD has me locked to Windows. Considering how creative types love their Mac's, its surprising to me that AutoDESK is ignoring them. #osmarketshare
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    Image of Eulatos Eulatos
    11/06/09

    @Limekiller: I know some people will shit on it. But turbocad is pretty damn good, they have been making it for at least 15 years and my most recent switcher client is loving it, and he does large scale blueprint drawings all day long. #osmarketshare
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    lostarchitect promoted this comment Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @Eulatos: Eh. Turbocad doesn't have even close to the number of features of AutoCAD. its primary benefit is that it's cheap. If all you do is simple 2D stuff, it's OK. But beyond that you need something else. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @lostarchitect: Well that must be why they like it. We do all shop drawings and large scale commercial blue prints where everything is in 2d.

    Im not CAD master or anything so not really sure. Though it sure would be nice if Autodesk would make autocad for mac. #osmarketshare
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    Image of DustyButt™ DustyButt™
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    Pfft.
    Why bother upgrading?

    Everybody knows technology is cyclical. #osmarketshare
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    Image of jdale jdale
    11/06/09

    @DustyButt™: True. Get ahead of the curve and invest in Abacus™ now while you can get it cheap. #osmarketshare
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    Image of Raidah Raidah
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    someone is still using WinME? #osmarketshare
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    11/06/09

    @Raidah: Prisoners in Supermax facilities. It's part of their sentence. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Daveinva: I heard they have to run Bob. #osmarketshare
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    Image of anonymousmonk anonymousmonk
    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    Anyone else notice that almost all Mac users (5.01% of 5.27) are using an OS from 2005 or later, whereas 70% of computers (work, home, whatever) are using XP, released in 2001? It really points out how the two companies push out technology, & only highlights the long foot dragging for Longhorn/Vista, and the desperate race to Vista SP3, er, Windows 7. #osmarketshare
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    Kaiser-Machead promoted this comment anonymousmonk was starred anonymousmonk was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @anonymousmonk: It's easy to have a user base that upgrades so frequently when the enterprise sector is not nearly as reliant on your products. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @anonymousmonk: It also highlights that that majority of Windows computers are business computers, and businesses are slow to change. Hell, we still have Win 2000 servers here. #osmarketshare
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    11/07/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: I agree. When people compare market share and try to argue about mac's gaining share against the legion of beige, obsolete PCs out there in the workplace, the picture is very skewed. And @mmmSPAM, I do believe he meant that the majority of windows comps are business computers. Not arguing that Win machines aren't the most common for consumers, but simply that there are tons of work PCs that collect, take up desk space, and count as part of the growing number of PCs. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    In reply to Reality Check
    so my chances of catching a virus is only 0.96%? Nice #osmarketshare
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    Image of JosephCole JosephCole
    11/06/09

    @wingbatwu: OI, Macs still get viruses, It just because on one uses macs, that no one has a real need to write as many as there is for PC. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @JosephCole: untrue argument is tired #osmarketshare
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    tande04 promoted this comment Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @Eulatos: How is it an unture argument?

    If anything its been shown time and time again to be true. Apple falls first every time in hacking competitions. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: Which has nothing to do with viruses and they "fall first" when the people get physical access to the machines, ie the password. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: Hacking = Viruses??? #osmarketshare
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    tande04 promoted this comment soopafly was starred soopafly was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @Eulatos: Whaa?

    They don't get the password. What are you talking about? What kind of competition would that be?

    The "physical access part" is just that "someone" is using the computer. Which is the exact same way that all PC virus work (no one cracks any on the fully remote day) you need some one to click on your link, you need some one to open the file which has everything to do with viruses. That is where the macs always fall first the cracks gain access to core systems beyond anything you even see in win systems.

    It is absolutely true that the only thing saving OSX is market share. You've offered nothing to substantiate your claim that its a "tired and untrue" statement. As OSX market share increases you'll start to see more of it.
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    Edited by tande04 at 11/06/09 12:37 PM tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @soopafly: What do you think the point of viruses are?

    How do you think that viruses are created?

    You do realize they aren't really the computer getting sick don't you? #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: But thats what they said 5 years ago when it was 2%. You can argue market share percentages until you are blue in the face.

    The fact of the matter is there are over 50 million macs out there, that is A TON of money that could be made by writing a virus, but yet there continues to be none.

    And if what all these people say about mac users being clueless is in any way true it should be really really easy to trick all those people into getting infected.
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    Edited by Eulatos at 11/06/09 12:49 PM Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
    Image of BeowulfRex BeowulfRex
    11/06/09

    @tande04: as a variation on the theme, debunked argument is debunked. All of the so-called hacking contests involving Macs in the last few years have involved access to the machine either in person or via the net AND possession of an admin password before any control of the machine took place. No admin password usage, no pwnage. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Eulatos: Yeah they said that 5 years ago when it was 2%, yeah they're still going to say it when its 5%.

    Lets do a little math exercise. We'll use $1,000,000 just cause its nice and round.
    2% of $1,000,000 = $2,000
    5% of $1,000,000 = $5,000
    92% of $1,000,000 = $92,000

    Which of those is "A TON"?

    Even if we don't use market share.
    50 million users or Billions? Which are you more likely to hit when you start shooting at the side of a barn door? It all sounds like a lot but the comparison is still so much more thats why you still see it that way.

    And you can't just dismiss market share like your trying to do. Its all about market share. The whole thing is a crap shoot. You're trying to get people to execute code that will allow the virus to get on their computer. If you're only trying to hit that 5% your odds of ever hitting it are 1 in 25 (5 in 100) as opposed to 1 in 1.085 (92 in 100).
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    Edited by tande04 at 11/06/09 1:06 PM tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
    Image of BeowulfRex BeowulfRex
    11/06/09

    @tande04: actually, 2% of a million is $20,000, 5% is $50,000, etc. You're only off by a factor of 10, but okay. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @BeowulfRex: You're mistaken as I already pointed out.

    They're not doing it on the actual computer. Its still a remote hack. Yes you need someone to execute it but thats no different then any other virus.

    Find me a PC virus you can get by just being on the internet. That is what you argument is correct? #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @BeowulfRex: Yeah I suck at math.

    It defiantly hurts my snarkyness but not the over all point since then the $92,000 is off by a factor of 10 too.
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    Edited by tande04 at 11/06/09 1:20 PM tande04 was starred tande04 was unstarred
    Image of Tyler Pestell Tyler Pestell
    11/06/09

    @tande04: Really? ... no one? someone ? 92% of $1,000,000 is $92,000?? ... COME ON!!! #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @Tyler Pestell: Yeah we already covered it. Thanks though. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: actually, no. My point has to do with Macs and viruses. There aren't any. See [brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com]

    And I know the media keeps calling things like the keyboard switch or the downloaded malware stuff a remote hack, but how is it remote when you need to be at the computer in question to execute it? #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @BeowulfRex: That article just brings us back to the same circular argument though. In fact it makes the same argument I've been making.

    Why are there no Mac viruses "in the wild"? Because of the lack of interest in creating them for financial gain. Technical distinctions of computer worms, Trojan horses, spyware, adware, etc aside (it really doesn't matter to the end user) it has nothing to do with the inability for them to be there. Apple is no less vulnerable than a PC. The idea in the popular culture that it is just leads to misinformed people and undue sense of security. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: Well the malware that gizmodo had on its site and that is going around everywhere, affected people who didnt even click on the ad. And then once it was up and running it disables spybot, norton, avast, avg, and then it starts to install viruses and all manner of other fun stuff.

    That is without user interaction. I know this because this is what i have been doing with my weekends for the past month, removing this POS from clients computers #osmarketshare
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    tande04 promoted this comment Eulatos was starred Eulatos was unstarred
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    11/06/09

    @Eulatos: Still had to go to the website. Still could have been done for a mac. In fact most of the loop holes so far have been safari based. #osmarketshare
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    11/06/09

    @tande04: There is a HUGE difference though between going to a website and clicking on a link that downloads malware, and just going to a website and getting malware.

    Lets just all agree that when it really comes down to it, NOTHING is secure. Cause if not, things will get heated, then OMG Ponies will come and say something and it will all go downhill from there.
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    11/09/09

    @JosephCole: Um, I was referring to the 0.96% share of Linux, in the first pie chart of the article. #osmarketshare
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    11/09/09

    @wingbatwu: Eh, the argument still stands. I'm sure there's plenty of malicious code for Linux platforms as well.

    The point being; Operating Systems don't protect you just because they have a small market share. It's common sense and an active defense.

    I'm not saying that you don't have any. #osmarketshare
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    11/09/09

    @JosephCole: Never said my risk is zero. #osmarketshare
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