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    Image of Die Fledermaus Die Fledermaus
    11/30/09

    In reply to An Apple Without Steve Jobs (It Almost Happened)
    We always hear about Steve Jobs did this Steve did that. Granted his vision for products can be amazing but it is the staff at Apple that takes that kernel of an idea and fleshes it out., then hope and prays Steve likes it.
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    Image of Deep77 Deep77
    11/27/09

    In reply to An Apple Without Steve Jobs (It Almost Happened)
    aThingOrTwo: dude, i appreciate ur comments but where do u get so much time to write an essay on how good mac is. It was just a comment. Chillllllllll!!!!
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    aThingOrTwo approved this comment Deep77 was starred Deep77 was unstarred
    Image of aThingOrTwo aThingOrTwo
    11/28/09

    @Deep77: Your comprehension is fantastic, none of my points were about "how good my Mac is" I don't even say if I own a Mac.

    Dude.
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    Image of willyolio willyolio
    11/27/09

    In reply to An Apple Without Steve Jobs (It Almost Happened)
    and they very probably wouldn't be nearly as successful. i know everyone loves turtlenecked old guys who say "boom" on stage, but there's also a legitimate reason they've gained back some market share from PCs. apple's OSes all totally sucked until OSX.
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    aThingOrTwo promoted this comment Edited by willyolio at 11/27/09 5:48 PM willyolio was starred willyolio was unstarred
    Image of aThingOrTwo aThingOrTwo
    11/27/09

    @willyolio: You should really read this:
    [folklore.org]

    If you take more a holistic view of the operating system (rather than focussing on specific things like memory management or Kernel performance, both of which were far from advanced on the Mac) then there were many ways in which Mac didn't "totally suck".

    Comparatively to other systems, until the late 90's/early 00's the Mac held its own. Of course you could use UNIX or Linux, but they were hardly user friendly. DOS based versions of Windows weren't that much more reliable either. You had far better chance of getting a USB device working correctly with a Mac in the early days of USB. Windows 2000 and XP using the NT Kernel were undisputedly more reliable than Mac OS 9, but XP and OS X launched in the same year.

    Mac OS introduced many concepts and ideas that GUIs still use today (overlapping windows, drop down menus, multiple views of the same filesystem (list, icon etc.) drag and drop file management, control panels, desk accessories or widgets etc.). It also made localised software really easy and was sophisticated enough to know type file was without needing an extension (not practical now for interoperability, but better for users).

    "Niche" things like handling font management, consistent colour management were handled better on the Mac than comparative systems.

    It might make a funny, throw away comment, but the reason you got such a long reply is that this "it sucked" attitude seems to occur a lot in tech circles ("Vista sucked") because people compare old technology to what we have now. Instead the old technology should be placed in context of what was around it at the time along with what it lead to…

    For example (crude):
    C# was inspired by Java, which was inspired by elements Objective-C, which was influence by Smalltalk from Xerox Parc.

    Now with Visual Studio 2010 and C# .NET you can do some amazing things… so this means small talk sucks… right?

    So when you champion Ubuntu or Windows or another system, remember many of the things you take for granted were given a helping hand by both the Mac, NeXTSTEP, Xerox and countless other companies, some of which are now defunct.

    You just might not realise it.
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    Edited by aThingOrTwo at 11/27/09 6:46 PM aThingOrTwo was starred aThingOrTwo was unstarred
    Image of ctthoqqua ctthoqqua
    11/27/09

    @aThingOrTwo: From someone who was present and "professionally" (yeah, I know) compared the Mac OS to its contemporaries, it did suck. (Disclaimer: I was a UNIX enthusiast who worked for NeXT)

    Pre-OS X, Apple had the same issues that Microsoft had today-- it was not possible to advance the state of the art within the Mac OS and maintain backward compatibility. It was a cooperative (not preemptive) multitasker where an errant app brought the house down, the OS provided poor memory management, and its system folder held an absolute zoo of ugly and questionable extensions-- kludges on kludges that were the primary way of extending the Mac OS' functionality.

    The Mac OS of the 80s and 90s was only notable for its aesthetics and user-facing (NOT administrator-facing) technologies. Under the hood it was absolute garbage, with no possible future.

    My $0.02, of course.
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    Jack_Burton promoted this comment ctthoqqua was starred ctthoqqua was unstarred
    Image of ludwigk ludwigk
    11/28/09

    @willyolio: The way in which early versions of Mac OS were good is that they were very focused on the user experience, both in terms of the UI and design, but also in terms of lower-level behavior which would "defer to the user" to make a more responsive and intuitive experience (at the cost of performance, and bringing the system to a pause if you depressed the mouse button).

    The last few revisions of classic mac os had a well-deserved reputation of being technically deficient, but philosophically it was in the right place, and I think that that has been paramount in distinguishing MacOSX from other modern OSes.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    11/29/09

    @ctthoqqua: As someone who had to support Windows 98 and Nt 4, NeXTStep/OpenStep on PCs, IRIX on SGIs, Novell on PCs, Mac OS on Apples concurrently - I agree wholeheartedly. More than Win2k/2kServer was a leap forward for Windows, OS X was just what Apple needed.

    Also, I loved that I could use *NIX apps like Gnutar in NeXT and have 10 shell instances of FTP or Gzip running, while still using the rich GUI to quickly navigate a huge filesystem. Squeezing that kind of productivity/efficiency out of NT4 was well-nigh impossible - excepting custom Perl and Python scripts. And trying to use 3rd-party apps on IRIX was pretty hit-or-miss (and miss could be really expensive).

    NeXT really was ahead of it's time, and it made perfect sense to me that Apple would fold it into its' next-gen OS.
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    Image of Serpentor X Serpentor X
    11/25/09

    In reply to Windows 7 Passes Mac OS X Install Base
    I can see now how Ballmer can sometimes seem so blase about Apple's success.

    I'd rather have Microsoft's money than Apple's.
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    Edited by Serpentor X at 11/25/09 4:48 PM Serpentor X was starred Serpentor X was unstarred
    Image of MonkeyPaw MonkeyPaw
    11/25/09

    @Serpentor X: Actually, Apple makes a killing, too. Keep in mind that just about every Mac sold ends up costing considerably more than the equivalent "PC" from an OEM. Apple not only gets software sales, but also pockets that hardware premium. MS only gets a royalty for their OS, and OEM's don't exactly pay what we common buyers do for the install disc.
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    Scratic promoted this comment MonkeyPaw was starred MonkeyPaw was unstarred
    Image of ThisCharmingMan ThisCharmingMan
    11/25/09

    @MonkeyPaw: My thoughts exactly. Apple makes a KILLING on hardware. The amount they charge for upgraded RAM alone is insane.
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    Image of shooga shooga
    11/25/09

    @ThisCharmingMan: No kidding. I was disgusted when I had to buy 1GB of ram for my fiancee's MBP a year ago. I believe it was $160 from Apple. I found the same thing on newegg for $50.
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    ThisCharmingMan promoted this comment shooga was starred shooga was unstarred
    Image of ThisCharmingMan ThisCharmingMan
    11/26/09

    @shooga: Yeah, newegg.com is great for that stuff. Apple's prices are ridiculous. I'm actually looking at buying some RAM from newegg for my iMac.

    #speakup
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    Image of k-napped k-napped
    11/25/09

    In reply to Windows 7 Passes Mac OS X Install Base
    For a long time (at least 6 years) I've always envied the Macs I had to work on as a designer. Stuff was just too expensive to justify getting one (plus I used stuff that was Windows only).

    But, working on both everyday, I greatly prefer Windows 7. I work twice as fast on it than OSX.

    Finally I feel like I'm using a windows operating system that was built this decade... and it only took the whole decade to make!
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    Image of SysRq SysRq
    11/25/09

    In reply to Windows 7 Passes Mac OS X Install Base
    Resident Apple fanboy reporting: Windows 7 is alright with me.

    Still like OS X better, and Windows 7 is still Windows when it comes down to it, but there's some neat stuff in 7 and it's great that people are upgrading. You don't have to be happy with XP anymore.
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    SysRq was starred SysRq was unstarred
    Image of delphinus87 delphinus87
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: Thank you. People need to be more civil about this stuff. All of this fanboy garbage "MAC SUXX WINDOWS FTFW!!!" needs to go. Microsoft users need to concede that Macs are not just style over substance and Mac users have to admit that Windows products are no longer the BSODing virus happy machines they used to be.
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    SysRq promoted this comment delphinus87 was starred delphinus87 was unstarred
    Image of imTheKing imTheKing
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: Completely agree. Still think OSX is better as well but Windows 7 is worth the install.
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    SysRq promoted this comment imTheKing was starred imTheKing was unstarred
    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: Especially the media stuff. Windows Media Center is something Apple would never bother doing because they get no money out of it. They'd rather you pay for all your TV content from iTunes.
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    Image of (Starman) Starman (Starman) Starman
    11/25/09

    @dagamer34: I wouldn't be so sure about that last part (about iTunes, but hey, I'm no expert), but yeah, I agree that WMC is much much better than Front Row.
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    SysRq promoted this comment (Starman) Starman was starred (Starman) Starman was unstarred
    Image of gabriele.rizzetto gabriele.rizzetto
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: Right on, brother. I love my Mac, but I finally feel like I can leave XP behind on my Windows boxes and my Boot Camp partition now. It really is a breath of fresh air.
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    Image of macpatrik macpatrik
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: From one fanboy to another, well said.
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    Image of SysRq SysRq
    11/25/09

    @(Starman) Starman: I'm not a fan of either, to be honest. I never saw the appeal of a full screen media application. Fullscreen iTunes if you want music, or fullscreeen Quicktime if you want movies, or fullscreen iPhoto if you want pictures.

    #tips
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    Image of PotentChr0nic PotentChr0nic
    11/25/09

    @SysRq: and how would you fullscreen live tv? I guess you're only considering front row.
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    SysRq promoted this comment PotentChr0nic was starred PotentChr0nic was unstarred
    Image of SysRq SysRq
    11/25/09

    @PotentChr0nic: I suppose I am. Then again, I rarely watch live TV anyways, and not just because I'm on a Mac. Hulu is fine for me.

    #tips
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    SysRq was starred SysRq was unstarred
    Image of PotentChr0nic PotentChr0nic
    11/26/09

    @SysRq: You lucky yanks!
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    PotentChr0nic was starred PotentChr0nic was unstarred
    Image of SysRq SysRq
    11/26/09

    @PotentChr0nic: Not all Americans are yanks, my friend, I'm from Texas so I take offense. ;)
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    SysRq was starred SysRq was unstarred
    Image of dimadelux dimadelux
    11/25/09

    In reply to Windows 7 Passes Mac OS X Install Base
    Windows 7 FTMFW
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment dimadelux was starred dimadelux was unstarred
    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    11/25/09

    @dimadelux: FOR THE MUTHAFUCKIN WIN!!!
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    Image of (Starman) Starman (Starman) Starman
    11/25/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton: I've always wondered what that meant, actually.

    Free Trans Mission Freak Way?
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    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment (Starman) Starman was starred (Starman) Starman was unstarred
    Image of taniquetil taniquetil
    11/25/09

    @TheSonOfKrypton:

    Enough is ENOUGH! I've had it with the MUTHACUKIN WIN, on this MUTHAFUCKIN Operating System.
     Reply
    TheSonOfKrypton promoted this comment taniquetil was starred taniquetil was unstarred
    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    11/25/09

    @taniquetil: WELL THIS MUTHAFUCKIN OPERATING SYSTEM COULDN'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT YOUR MUTHAFUCKIN OPINION!

    #tips
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    Image of Nitesh Singh Nitesh Singh
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    Not to troll, but the "worlds most advanced operating system" (according to them) doesnt support GPU-accelerated video yet? #flash101hacktintosh
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    G.O.B.: Come on! promoted this comment Nitesh Singh was starred Nitesh Singh was unstarred
    Image of Craig Cabrey Craig Cabrey
    11/17/09

    @Nitesh Singh: No, Apple just doesn't open the APIs up for public use. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Don Nguyen promoted this comment Craig Cabrey was starred Craig Cabrey was unstarred
    Image of jonathan.eatherly jonathan.eatherly
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    Dell mini 10v hackintosh here. Big increase in speed! Mine is not running youtube or vimeo in hd well but southpark studios can do hd fullscreen now.
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    Danny Allen approved this comment jonathan.eatherly was starred jonathan.eatherly was unstarred
    Image of RoseHizang RoseHizang
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    this update does absolutely NOTHING for macs. read the release notes, the improvements are for windows and linux only.
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    Danny Allen promoted this comment RoseHizang was starred RoseHizang was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @RoseHizang: [gizmodo.com] #flash101hacktintosh
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    Image of George_P George_P
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    This post is erroneous. the Flash plugin does not support the Intel GMA950 graphics chipset that the Wind (and many other netbooks) run. The chipset does not even have the hardware to support it. So, it is probably in your head that you saw performance. Supported chipsets are Nvidia 8/9/100/200 series and the newer ones from ATI (don't remember the exact models). #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen approved this comment George_P was starred George_P was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @George_P: Read the post. I didn't say it's hardware acceleration, I said the improvements are most likely through better CPU usage. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen was starred Danny Allen was unstarred
    Image of George_P George_P
    11/17/09

    @Danny Allen: Hi Danny. Do we have information from Adobe that the new version improves the CPU usage when no hardware acceleration is supported by the GPU? Tests will have to be run to measure whether there is an actual improvement or not. We have the same MSI model/specs (U100 with 2GB ram). I tested it on both Win7 and MacOSX and didn't see any difference compared to the previous version of Flash. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Image of ImAmac93 ImAmac93
    11/17/09

    @Danny Allen: I realize this doesnt have a ton to do with this topic but I just ordered a dell mini 10v to install OSX on and and it had the option to upgrade the CPU to the 1.66 atom 280 from the 1.60 270 for $25 would there be a noticeable difference in performance on flash and such? or is the difference insignificant? #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen promoted this comment ImAmac93 was starred ImAmac93 was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @ImAmac93: I'd get the upgrade for sure, but I doubt you'll get much difference in performance. Honestly, I wouldn't be basing any hardware buying decisions on a lil' extra CPU usage...wait and see if Apple lets Adobe give Mac Flash 10.1 GPU-acceleration...then buy an Nvidia Ion-based netbook ;) #flash101hacktintosh
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    Image of ImAmac93 ImAmac93
    11/17/09

    @Danny Allen: but would a nvidia ion based netbook be as compatible with snow leopard as the dell mini 10v? I was under the impression that the 10v was still the best bet for hackintosh hardware support and functionality.. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @ImAmac93: Maybe "best bet for ease of setup", but if you're buying today (or black friday) I'd still grab a netbook with Ion. The Ion-powered HP Mini 311 Hackintosh has everything working but sound at the moment ([myhpmini.com]), and that may have been fixed already. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen was starred Danny Allen was unstarred
    Image of Nintenboy01 Nintenboy01
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    Is performance improved at all on old PowerPC Macs? #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen promoted this comment Nintenboy01 was starred Nintenboy01 was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @Nintenboy01: Flash 10.1 beta is only available for Intel-based Macs, I believe, sorry. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen was starred Danny Allen was unstarred
    Image of chocolatebanana chocolatebanana
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    So this doesn't really have anything to do with hackintoshes, but rather any slow PC and any operating system in general, yes? #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen approved this comment chocolatebanana was starred chocolatebanana was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @chocolatebanana: "But this is good news for hackintoshes, and netbooks in general." This would suggest so, yes? #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen was starred Danny Allen was unstarred
    Image of ricky.leverence ricky.leverence
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    It runs like crap, here.

    MacBook Pro, late 2006 (ATI x1600). I go to watch a Youtube video and I'd say about half of the frames drop.
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    Danny Allen approved this comment ricky.leverence was starred ricky.leverence was unstarred
    Image of Danny Allen Danny Allen
    11/17/09

    @ricky.leverence: Think it's the ATI chipset. See the AnandTech story. #flash101hacktintosh
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    Danny Allen was starred Danny Allen was unstarred
    Image of JackTheTripper JackTheTripper
    11/17/09

    In reply to Flash 10.1 Is Good News for Hackintosh Netbooks
    I have the same wind model. This is great news. I'll try it tonight. #flash101hacktintosh
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