The level of Apple fanboyism in these comments is off the scale.
In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.
Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
@Odin: As someone who almost exclusively uses Apple products, I couldn't agree more. These kinds of borrowing elements from one to another are pretty much inevitable. It can only benefit the consumer that these companies understand what the customer likes and doesn't like and try to implement the best options available to the user. I also don't think W7 looks much like OS X, and the elements that do seem to be implemented better. I think a lot of this bashing W7 is to make Mac fanboys feel as if their OS is so superior that everyone copies it, meanwhile Snow Leopard doesn't appear to have so much revolutionary appeal to it. #windows7mac
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Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.
You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.
I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.
The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.
Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.
It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.
This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:
I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
@Odin: I largely agree. I think this whole thing as approaching a commensalism argument. In most things, if something is demonstrably superior in function it tends to be adopted universally. When M-B introduced antilock brakes on their S-class (lo these many years ago), everyone else scrambled to adopt the technology. Where they copying Mercedes? No, it just works better. I've had Mac and PC machines for years, and the OS's are becoming more and more similar. As the evolution continues, any differences between them will be largely cosmetic. Human function determines OS function, not the other way around. And whether you use Apple or MS, we're all (most of us) human. #windows7mac
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: The LH article says it still works perfectly with the hackintosh they detailed how to make a little while ago that had a C2D in it. The Giz article is referencing netbook hackintoshes and Atom support. #macosx1062
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: I'm guessing that the hackintoshes mentioned on Giz are Atom powered netbooks, whilst the Lifehacker article is on Intel Core 2 Duos and I7s. #macosx1062
Why doesn't Apple just overprice a license for anyone to do as they wish? Didn't Apple have a 'clone' machine program back in the 90s where OEMs could license the Mac OS on their own hardware?
They could charge $150 or so for an 'Intel Machine' license compared to the $120 or so for a regular license [I don't mean the $30 Snow Leopard 'update'] for Apple-branded computers and make you agree at the time of sale that Apple is not responsible if it blows up your PC or if it makes you shit your pants.
@dragon: ONE: I wholeheartedly agree; however, that would mean that Apple would have to start building a more robust kernel, which would begin to affect install size, boot time, etc. Not only that, but they would also begin to face some of the issues MS faces with 3rd party drivers causing BSODs, or in the case of OS X, kernel panics, because people would be building computers with what they view as the best parts. In short, it would undermine many of the supposed ''advantages'' Apple has over Windows and Apple would lose their ability to make smug ads. #macosx1062
@Kaiser-Machead: To be honest, I'd rather be running 7 on a netbook anyways. I personally hate notebooks. But... if I had one I'd want it to be running it's native OS. 7 runs great on notebooks, why change it?
@Kaiser-Machead: I'm still hackintoshing my dv10; however, my original intent of making it a single OS computer is out the window. I will now be booting W7 and OS X on it instead of just OS X. #macosx1062
My hope is that maybe, somewhere, deep inside the bowels of Apple, a team of rogue developers are creating a super-secret Snow Leopard install disc that you can use to dual-boot your PC legally, and for that reason they're trying to close the Atom support so they can sell it in a sanctioned version. #apple
Speaking of merciless gods, what does it take for Giz to bequeath unto me a star? I'm unemployed and will remain so unless I have such an honor to put on my resume.
@TJ: First rule of star club is don't beg for stardom. When it happens, it happens, until then, enjoy Giz and try not to be a douche or troll (not saying you are, just that that helps in the path to stardom). That or steal OMG Ponies! account. #apple
Apple will eventually lock out Atom, or any other processor they don't currently use in a product, just like they're locking out Palm from using iTunes.
Apple is a hardware business and if something might reduce sales of that hardware, they're gonna have to put the hurt on. *SMACK* #apple
@zer0zen: Palm is nowhere near the same as the Atom processor. Palm tries to break into Apple's proprietary software, whereas Intel simply makes the procs for other computers. Hackintosh systems have been around for a long time, and many of them use the same exact processors that Apple uses. #apple
@Kaiser-Machead: The essence of a Hackintosh is taking Apple's OS and running it on non-Apple hardware, which Apple specifically does not want because it cuts them out of a potential hardware sale. Palm bustin' into iTunes is the same deal because a Pre getting into the iTunes world means non-Apple hardware gets into the ecosystem which can reduce iPod/iPhone sales. Apple wants to protect their walled garden at all costs.
Basically, don't mess with Apple's hardware sales or they'll come a knockin'!#apple
The video reminds me of all the times I tried to put Linux partitions on my Mac drives and use a boot loader. Works for a while, only a little while. Eventually you'll do something to kill it.
I've recently become a fan of VM's for alternative OS's. So much easier to experiment with. Doesn't help with the Mac OS though, sorry. #apple
This would be about the only way many Windows users would buy into the MacOS ecosystem. $1000 (minimum) is too much of an investment to try a new OS. #apple
@DaveExile (Starfree since 2006!): I've worked in both ecosystems (Apple at a former job) and I have to wholeheartedly agree. Both are great, but it sucks to jump to a whole new one without any knowledge of how it works. I worked on Macs for 3 years and was still confused sometimes with how they worked because I literally grew up on Windows and, as such, feel comfortable in it.
I'm hackintoshing my Mini 10v as soon as I find a willing friend with a Mac, but making the full leap would be tough for me, especially since I would have to not only pay the high price for a new Mac, but also rebuy several thousand dollars worth of software. #apple
@Nathan Obbards: Though I would be happy to lend out my mac so you can hack your mini 10v like I did, I can only assume we live nowhere close one another and would recommend going to a public library. Many are carrying Macs now and you could do lots of fun illegal stuff in public ;). Or even a University library, since they're open to public (it would be more likely to have some Macs.) #apple
This is why I don't use proprietary software or hardware.
Don't tell me what to do with hardware I've purchased. Don't charge me money for something that doesn't exist, then tell me what I can and can't run it on. #apple
@TheGZeus: Except they aren't doing that. They are trying to streamline their OS for their hardware that they use (in theory). They aren't charging you for anything or telling you what to do. That's like complaining that you can't load Android on your iPhone or drop a Chevy transmission into your Ford truck without heavy modification. You are doing something that is outside of the scope of the product and, as such, can expect to see problems.
I, as much as the next person, wish that Apple would open up their software more, bring down prices, etc. but they have a right as a company to streamline their OS for their hardware, even if that means crippling unsupported hardware in violation of their EULA. I say this as a proponent of hackintoshing. #apple
@Nathan Obbards: They're charging me for the hardware _and_ the software, then they tell you what you can and can't do with it.
Sell your computer? The EULA says the next user has to buy it. Own 5 macs with Leopard on them? You have to buy 5 licenses. Want the interface to be different, they don't want you to...
The list goes on.
I don't use proprietary software.
I don't want to use proprietary software.
I don't like using proprietary software.
Want to port Linux/BSD/other weirder free operating system? Do it. Want to give it to someone else when you're done? Do it.
I don't like the idea that these companies charge you for work that's already been done, but keep charging whether they've recieved payment in proportion to the work done or not.
Software doesn't exist. It's math. It's not even a creative pursuit, and I release all my music/videos under Creative Commons licenses, (unless they're parodies, where things get weird).
My head's splitting from too much caffiene today, so I might not be being too clear.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to charge for licenses on copyrighted works. That's legal and ethical. The concern is moral.
It is my opinion that it's immoral, but it's just an opinion.
I refuse to be told how to use my computer. Windows, Mac, even the original BeOS and DOS. They all restrict what you do with your computer.
DRM alone is reprehensible, and that's just the most obvious.
I could go on for hours, but I doubt you care, and again, it's just my opinion. #apple
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In the end everyone copies from each other at some point. Personally I don't think Win7 resembles OSX much but that's just my opinion.
Also to pre-empt any snarky Apple fan spinning that opinion into something negative I don't think that it being dissimilar is a bad thing. Windows has its perks over OSX and vice versa, neither is unanimously superior so get over your damn god-OS complexes already. #windows7mac
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Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think that's something that we can all agree happened.
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Unfortunately the majority (or at least the vocal majority) of Apple users sees OSX as their Messiah and defend it zealously. Anyone who doesn't worship it is a heathen and an idiot. It's a stupid way to think. There's no perfect OS, OSX has its flaws just like everything else.
You use what you like or what suits you, just because you like it doesn't automatically invalidate the competition. I'm primarily a Windows user, always have been and probably always will. Why? It's not because I believe Windows is the saviour of all mankind and Microsoft can do no wrong and that Apple is the devil. It's because it suits the things I do with my computer and I like it. As a gamer and a .NET developer I just can't see myself using anything else as my primary system.
I don't hate OSX because I don't use it. I don't think it's bad because it doesn't suit what I do. It's definitely a comparable OS but it's not incredibly better than what I currently use.
The level of Apple fanboyism out there though borders on zealotry and it's crazy sometimes. I mean before I came to Giz I thought Windows users ragging on Mac users were bad. Turns out the reverse is a whole lot worse. I can barely bring myself to look at any of the comments on Microsoft articles on Giz because they're just filled with seething hatred and bias.
Take the recent article on the Microsoft Courier. I found it to be an attractive interesting looking gadget, well worth my interest. When I looked at the comments though, the majority were just about how Microsoft sucked and how the Apple tablet Courier.
It's bizarre. I personally couldn't give two shits about the Apple tablet right now. Why? Because it's an Apple product? No! Because it doesn't even have a substantial existance. All it is right now is a bunch of fan made concept images, a couple of patents and a smattering of rumours on the wind. It's a freaking phantom of a product. Yet there are people out there willing to call an interesting and infinitely more substantial device rubbish because of it. It's mind blowing.
This is directly addressing any over zealous Apple fanboy that reads this:
I've since reconsidered the thing I dislike most about Apple (that's not to say that I hate Apple, I just have things I don't like about them and this is one of them), and it's the fanboys. Your close mindedness, ass kissery and superiority complexes bring not only shame upon yourselves as human beings but shame upon the company and products you adore. Congratulations, you're a plague upon what you like most. Morons. #windows7mac
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Taken from my RSS Reader.
Ok guys, someone care to explain? #macosx1062
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They could charge $150 or so for an 'Intel Machine' license compared to the $120 or so for a regular license [I don't mean the $30 Snow Leopard 'update'] for Apple-branded computers and make you agree at the time of sale that Apple is not responsible if it blows up your PC or if it makes you shit your pants.
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Pwitty pweeze??? :-( #apple
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Ahh well, I love Giz too much to be bitter. I'll just go drink a bottle of Morgan and cry myself to sleep.
...and to think I was willing to shamefully prostitute myself for that star. #apple
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edit for later: and then the chap went to bed. Sleep tight.
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Apple is a hardware business and if something might reduce sales of that hardware, they're gonna have to put the hurt on. *SMACK* #apple
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Basically, don't mess with Apple's hardware sales or they'll come a knockin'!#apple
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I've recently become a fan of VM's for alternative OS's. So much easier to experiment with. Doesn't help with the Mac OS though, sorry. #apple
11/07/09
This would be about the only way many Windows users would buy into the MacOS ecosystem. $1000 (minimum) is too much of an investment to try a new OS. #apple
11/07/09
I'm hackintoshing my Mini 10v as soon as I find a willing friend with a Mac, but making the full leap would be tough for me, especially since I would have to not only pay the high price for a new Mac, but also rebuy several thousand dollars worth of software. #apple
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Don't tell me what to do with hardware I've purchased. Don't charge me money for something that doesn't exist, then tell me what I can and can't run it on. #apple
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I, as much as the next person, wish that Apple would open up their software more, bring down prices, etc. but they have a right as a company to streamline their OS for their hardware, even if that means crippling unsupported hardware in violation of their EULA. I say this as a proponent of hackintoshing. #apple
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Sell your computer? The EULA says the next user has to buy it. Own 5 macs with Leopard on them? You have to buy 5 licenses. Want the interface to be different, they don't want you to...
The list goes on.
I don't use proprietary software.
I don't want to use proprietary software.
I don't like using proprietary software.
Want to port Linux/BSD/other weirder free operating system? Do it. Want to give it to someone else when you're done? Do it.
I don't like the idea that these companies charge you for work that's already been done, but keep charging whether they've recieved payment in proportion to the work done or not.
Software doesn't exist. It's math. It's not even a creative pursuit, and I release all my music/videos under Creative Commons licenses, (unless they're parodies, where things get weird).
My head's splitting from too much caffiene today, so I might not be being too clear.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to charge for licenses on copyrighted works. That's legal and ethical. The concern is moral.
It is my opinion that it's immoral, but it's just an opinion.
I refuse to be told how to use my computer. Windows, Mac, even the original BeOS and DOS. They all restrict what you do with your computer.
DRM alone is reprehensible, and that's just the most obvious.
I could go on for hours, but I doubt you care, and again, it's just my opinion. #apple