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Benguin
11/06/09

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I wouldn't say Windows 7 is doomed to be forgotten because it's adoption rate is so low at this point. You have to remember to take into consideration the difference between Mac and PC users.

Mac users tend to be more technologically savvy consumers who will go out of their way to upgrade, whereas many Windows users are just run of the mill folk that really don't give two shits about what OS they're on. They upgrade when they buy a new computer. As time goes on we'll see the numbers grow as people buy new machines with 7 preinstalled.

As far as Windows XP though, that will probably continue to be high with all the netbooks out there. #osmarketshare
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Sunfire-
11/06/09

@Benguin: I think the language is ambiguous, but I think he's saying that Vista is the one that's doomed to be forgotten. #osmarketshare
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Benguin
11/06/09

@Sunfire-: Ah. Well thanks all of you for pointing out my failure of comprehension. Haha. #osmarketshare
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Sunfire-
11/06/09

@Benguin: Haha, in your defense, there are a ridiculous amount of commas in that sentence. #osmarketshare
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MANCREEP
11/06/09

@Benguin: I disagree. I think the heading of the article was spot on: REALITY CHECK. These Apple Fanboys have been bouncing off the walls about how they have 30%+ of the OS market share and how windows is going downhill. Well, knock knock? Who's there? 92%. 92% who? Well, allow me to reintroduce myslef---my name is HOV, nigga*, H-to-the-O-V. #osmarketshare
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Aphex Ninja
11/06/09

@Benguin: I whole heartedly agree. Coming from working for apple tech support I can tell you that most mac users are up to date on their systems and know what's coming out and when it's coming out.

Microsoft as a whole is much much larger than apple, and thus the sheer amount of computers to compare could be completely throwing off the comparison. #osmarketshare
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Benguin
11/06/09

@MANCREEP: I don't think I've ever heard anybody ever claim that OS X had anything even close to 30%. I'm glad you're so proud of your OS's market share though.

@Bs Baldwin: But what percentage of Windows users are coders and programmers? Definitely not the majority. I never said all Mac users or all Windows users, but by and large in my experience it's the Mac users who have been more aware of the state of tech. #osmarketshare
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MANCREEP
11/10/09

@Benguin: not so much proud, as "down to earth" would be a much better description. and if you havent hear that claim, then you prolly havent hung around some serious Apple freaks. unfortunately, i suffer thru it all day. lol. #osmarketshare
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P3nnst8r
11/06/09

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Poor Millenium Edition... #osmarketshare
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Paul Anderson
11/06/09

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Where is the Linux share? #osmarketshare
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FigNinja
11/06/09

@Paul Anderson: Well there's 2.21% not accounted for. I'm guessing it's in there. #osmarketshare
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Identity (Metric)
11/06/09

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Yesterday I spent quite a few hours in Windows 7 testing all of my apps, custom-built programs, and other things. It was nice, and surprisingly fast. It "feels" faster than Snow Leopard, which is quite surprising to me. Though, I did have a few problems in Win 7; especially with connecting my Apple wireless keyboard, and having my display settings saved after a shut-down.

I'm no fanboy either way, but seeing the worldwide market share is interesting.
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Ryanrule
11/06/09

@Identity (reclamation): If you want to use an apple bluetooth keyboard, you need the driver from the bootcamp cd.

Apple does not distribute this driver, because in their eyes, FUCK YOU! #osmarketshare
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Identity (Metric)
11/06/09

@Ryanrule: Oh believe me, if it was only a driver thing, that would have been simple. Getting the driver was the easy bit. Insert Bootcamp dvd and ... Boom! #osmarketshare
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Ryanrule
11/07/09

@Identity (reclamation): Well I use that keyboard on my windows 7 box. Had to get it off a torrent. #osmarketshare
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Xagest
11/06/09

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I honestly don't think the XP usage value is going to change much. Companies already bought their volume licenses for XP, and I don't think they'd want to shell out cash for a flashier OS.

Honestly, Vista and Windows 7 aren't really necessary in the business environment. They look and feel great, but they offer almost nothing "functional" as far as business is concerned. #osmarketshare
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bradydoll001
11/06/09

@Xagest: You are completely wrong about that. Windows Vista and 7 have much greater security and more importantly they have a greater ability for management. Using Group Policy you are able to lock down and control Windows Vista and 7 machines to a much greater level than you could with XP. There may not be anything specific to end users, but for IT they are significantly easier to manage.
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Xagest
11/06/09

@bradydoll001: I guess it depends on the work environment. In many companies, each employee owns 1 workstation (usually a laptop), so stuff like user groups isn't all that useful (only 1 user). Because XP is being pushed to netbooks and such, security patches are still strong.

Ah well, we'll see how it pans out. #osmarketshare
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rDub
11/06/09

@Xagest: What industry are you in that uses all laptops? Some small start ups might sport that happy situation but most big companies are still rocking the old school desktops.

I have 3 pcs (all running xp) a linux dev box and a mac pro under my poor crowded desk ... only place i use a lap top is in the lab

but hey ... that's just me #osmarketshare
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Xagest
11/06/09

@rDub: IBM. We all have Thinkpads with XP on it. #osmarketshare
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rDub
11/06/09

@Xagest: and @SSgtTEX: Ahh well thats really good to know ... i happen to currently work with the military, thus my situation. It's been a while since i worked for a purely civilian company so this is all good news to me! I will gladly make the switch to a laptop when they let me! #osmarketshare
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Skunky
11/06/09

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This chart lacks the truly important number: how many people are still running Amiga? #osmarketshare
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Limekiller
11/06/09

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I'd love to switch, but AutoCAD has me locked to Windows. Considering how creative types love their Mac's, its surprising to me that AutoDESK is ignoring them. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@Limekiller: I know some people will shit on it. But turbocad is pretty damn good, they have been making it for at least 15 years and my most recent switcher client is loving it, and he does large scale blueprint drawings all day long. #osmarketshare
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lostarchitect
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Eh. Turbocad doesn't have even close to the number of features of AutoCAD. its primary benefit is that it's cheap. If all you do is simple 2D stuff, it's OK. But beyond that you need something else. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@lostarchitect: Well that must be why they like it. We do all shop drawings and large scale commercial blue prints where everything is in 2d.

Im not CAD master or anything so not really sure. Though it sure would be nice if Autodesk would make autocad for mac. #osmarketshare
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DustyButt™
11/06/09

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Pfft.
Why bother upgrading?

Everybody knows technology is cyclical. #osmarketshare
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jdale
11/06/09

@DustyButt™: True. Get ahead of the curve and invest in Abacus™ now while you can get it cheap. #osmarketshare
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Raidah
11/06/09

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someone is still using WinME? #osmarketshare
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Daveinva
11/06/09

@Raidah: Prisoners in Supermax facilities. It's part of their sentence. #osmarketshare
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AmishJohn
11/06/09

@Daveinva: I heard they have to run Bob. #osmarketshare
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anonymousmonk
11/06/09

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Anyone else notice that almost all Mac users (5.01% of 5.27) are using an OS from 2005 or later, whereas 70% of computers (work, home, whatever) are using XP, released in 2001? It really points out how the two companies push out technology, & only highlights the long foot dragging for Longhorn/Vista, and the desperate race to Vista SP3, er, Windows 7. #osmarketshare
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Kaiser-Machead
11/06/09

@anonymousmonk: It's easy to have a user base that upgrades so frequently when the enterprise sector is not nearly as reliant on your products. #osmarketshare
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HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
11/06/09

@anonymousmonk: It also highlights that that majority of Windows computers are business computers, and businesses are slow to change. Hell, we still have Win 2000 servers here. #osmarketshare
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anonymousmonk
11/07/09

@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: I agree. When people compare market share and try to argue about mac's gaining share against the legion of beige, obsolete PCs out there in the workplace, the picture is very skewed. And @mmmSPAM, I do believe he meant that the majority of windows comps are business computers. Not arguing that Win machines aren't the most common for consumers, but simply that there are tons of work PCs that collect, take up desk space, and count as part of the growing number of PCs. #osmarketshare
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wingbatwu
11/06/09

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so my chances of catching a virus is only 0.96%? Nice #osmarketshare
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JosephCole
11/06/09

@wingbatwu: OI, Macs still get viruses, It just because on one uses macs, that no one has a real need to write as many as there is for PC. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@JosephCole: untrue argument is tired #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@Eulatos: How is it an unture argument?

If anything its been shown time and time again to be true. Apple falls first every time in hacking competitions. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@tande04: Which has nothing to do with viruses and they "fall first" when the people get physical access to the machines, ie the password. #osmarketshare
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soopafly
11/06/09

@tande04: Hacking = Viruses??? #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Whaa?

They don't get the password. What are you talking about? What kind of competition would that be?

The "physical access part" is just that "someone" is using the computer. Which is the exact same way that all PC virus work (no one cracks any on the fully remote day) you need some one to click on your link, you need some one to open the file which has everything to do with viruses. That is where the macs always fall first the cracks gain access to core systems beyond anything you even see in win systems.

It is absolutely true that the only thing saving OSX is market share. You've offered nothing to substantiate your claim that its a "tired and untrue" statement. As OSX market share increases you'll start to see more of it.
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tande04
11/06/09

@soopafly: What do you think the point of viruses are?

How do you think that viruses are created?

You do realize they aren't really the computer getting sick don't you? #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@tande04: But thats what they said 5 years ago when it was 2%. You can argue market share percentages until you are blue in the face.

The fact of the matter is there are over 50 million macs out there, that is A TON of money that could be made by writing a virus, but yet there continues to be none.

And if what all these people say about mac users being clueless is in any way true it should be really really easy to trick all those people into getting infected.
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BeowulfRex
11/06/09

@tande04: as a variation on the theme, debunked argument is debunked. All of the so-called hacking contests involving Macs in the last few years have involved access to the machine either in person or via the net AND possession of an admin password before any control of the machine took place. No admin password usage, no pwnage. #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Yeah they said that 5 years ago when it was 2%, yeah they're still going to say it when its 5%.

Lets do a little math exercise. We'll use $1,000,000 just cause its nice and round.
2% of $1,000,000 = $2,000
5% of $1,000,000 = $5,000
92% of $1,000,000 = $92,000

Which of those is "A TON"?

Even if we don't use market share.
50 million users or Billions? Which are you more likely to hit when you start shooting at the side of a barn door? It all sounds like a lot but the comparison is still so much more thats why you still see it that way.

And you can't just dismiss market share like your trying to do. Its all about market share. The whole thing is a crap shoot. You're trying to get people to execute code that will allow the virus to get on their computer. If you're only trying to hit that 5% your odds of ever hitting it are 1 in 25 (5 in 100) as opposed to 1 in 1.085 (92 in 100).
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BeowulfRex
11/06/09

@tande04: actually, 2% of a million is $20,000, 5% is $50,000, etc. You're only off by a factor of 10, but okay. #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@BeowulfRex: You're mistaken as I already pointed out.

They're not doing it on the actual computer. Its still a remote hack. Yes you need someone to execute it but thats no different then any other virus.

Find me a PC virus you can get by just being on the internet. That is what you argument is correct? #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@BeowulfRex: Yeah I suck at math.

It defiantly hurts my snarkyness but not the over all point since then the $92,000 is off by a factor of 10 too.
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Tyler Pestell
11/06/09

@tande04: Really? ... no one? someone ? 92% of $1,000,000 is $92,000?? ... COME ON!!! #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@Tyler Pestell: Yeah we already covered it. Thanks though. #osmarketshare
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BeowulfRex
11/06/09

@tande04: actually, no. My point has to do with Macs and viruses. There aren't any. See [brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com]

And I know the media keeps calling things like the keyboard switch or the downloaded malware stuff a remote hack, but how is it remote when you need to be at the computer in question to execute it? #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@BeowulfRex: That article just brings us back to the same circular argument though. In fact it makes the same argument I've been making.

Why are there no Mac viruses "in the wild"? Because of the lack of interest in creating them for financial gain. Technical distinctions of computer worms, Trojan horses, spyware, adware, etc aside (it really doesn't matter to the end user) it has nothing to do with the inability for them to be there. Apple is no less vulnerable than a PC. The idea in the popular culture that it is just leads to misinformed people and undue sense of security. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@tande04: Well the malware that gizmodo had on its site and that is going around everywhere, affected people who didnt even click on the ad. And then once it was up and running it disables spybot, norton, avast, avg, and then it starts to install viruses and all manner of other fun stuff.

That is without user interaction. I know this because this is what i have been doing with my weekends for the past month, removing this POS from clients computers #osmarketshare
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tande04
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Still had to go to the website. Still could have been done for a mac. In fact most of the loop holes so far have been safari based. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@tande04: There is a HUGE difference though between going to a website and clicking on a link that downloads malware, and just going to a website and getting malware.

Lets just all agree that when it really comes down to it, NOTHING is secure. Cause if not, things will get heated, then OMG Ponies will come and say something and it will all go downhill from there.
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wingbatwu
11/09/09

@JosephCole: Um, I was referring to the 0.96% share of Linux, in the first pie chart of the article. #osmarketshare
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JosephCole
11/09/09

@wingbatwu: Eh, the argument still stands. I'm sure there's plenty of malicious code for Linux platforms as well.

The point being; Operating Systems don't protect you just because they have a small market share. It's common sense and an active defense.

I'm not saying that you don't have any. #osmarketshare
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wingbatwu
11/09/09

@JosephCole: Never said my risk is zero. #osmarketshare
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可愛い兎
11/06/09

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I'm shocked that Apple has such a low market share!? I use a Mac and almost everyone in my office (about 50 people) has one too... To be fair I also use a PC, but there are far more Macs than PCs where I work. #osmarketshare
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dallasmay
11/06/09

@可愛い兎: Remember, this is world wide. Apple sells computers around the world, but many countries have a very very low share (China). Apple's share is much larger in the US. Around 9-10% #osmarketshare
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beercheck
11/06/09

@可愛い兎: That's how distorted world views happen.

I drove a Caprice years ago while most cops were still driving them, too. Had I driven one my whole life, I'd have had no idea that the world wasn't really a place where everyone drove the speed limit, passed with care, and were overwhelmingly courteous. Still, I got used to that world before long. When I got my next vehicle (bright red sportscar)....the true reality SHOCKED me. #osmarketshare
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UnderLoK
11/06/09

@可愛い兎: Well at my work there are a handful of Macs and tens of thousands of XP boxes... Actually come to think of it, I bet we have more VMS or HPUX boxes than Macs. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@dallasmay: Of the US consumer market in early 2008 apple had 21% i think now its close to 30%. #osmarketshare
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NorwoodIsMyHero
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Wow. Where'd you get that stat? I HIGHLY doubt the accuracy of that. Every number I've seen regarding U.S. market share is roughtly 9%-10% as of early this year. [arstechnica.com]

I doubt even Jobs getting back on LSD would lead him to claim the market share you're promoting. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@NorwoodIsMyHero: [brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com] #osmarketshare
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kepone
11/06/09

@beercheck: Your post just became my quote of the day on facebook..lol #osmarketshare
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NorwoodIsMyHero
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Okay. I do doubt the 30% number though, per my comment below. The numbers just don't tie back to the graph above if the % of consumer PCs in the total market is even 3 or 4% higher than 15%. #osmarketshare
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Eulatos
11/06/09

@NorwoodIsMyHero: Given their recent record breaking sales and millions and millions of macs, id say its a distinct possibility. #osmarketshare
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NorwoodIsMyHero
11/06/09

@Eulatos: Well, if they tie out great. But I'm trying to tie out a 30% consumer market share with this graph, for which I need to know the percentages of consumer and business total OS market share. The 30% numbers only work if the total number of consumer PCs is about 15-17% or less of the total OS/PC market, assuming 99% of businesses use windows. I've not seen those numbers anywhere. #osmarketshare
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beercheck
11/06/09

@kepone: Awesome! It's a true story. I learned a LOT from that. #osmarketshare
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Skunky
11/06/09

@beercheck: It's kind of like your own, personal "Truman Show," isn't it? #osmarketshare
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UnderLoK
11/06/09

@NorwoodIsMyHero: 30% market share means that if every single Mac sold in the last quarter (1.6 million) were at retail (which we know they aren't all retail) the total PC sales at retail would be around 6 million units out of 18 million total.

US sales last quarter were 17.8 million units 1.6 million of which (8.8%) were Apple.

World wide it's must worse. Outside of the US Apple sold 1 million units. HP alone sold 12.1 outside of the US.

Apple is without a doubt gaining share, but seriously 10-12% retail is pushing it I think. When I buy a new Mac it obviously helps Apples share, but when I build a new computer it doesn't even register on the other side. If you add in motherboard sales I'm sure it would push the gap even further.
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UnderLoK
11/06/09

@UnderLoK: I had added that crap about motherboards in word and accidentally pasted it. I know mobo's aren't retail, I was starting to ramble and left it in there on accident... My brain is lucky to run at 50% on Fridays :) #osmarketshare
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NorwoodIsMyHero
11/06/09

@UnderLoK: That's kinda what I was thinking when I questioned somebody saying 21 or even 30%. But people here are saying 30% and referencing a not very formal looking number of 21%. I don't see how those numbers tie out with the chart in the article if even 15% or more of ALL computers sold are for retail/consumer usage. Any higher and the numbers don't multiply out correctly with the 92% and 5% numbers above. #osmarketshare
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OMG! Ponies!
11/06/09

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Thanks for the confirmation of what we already knew:

That Windows has bits of corn in its shit that is bigger than OSX' install base. #osmarketshare
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MaWeiTao
11/06/09

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This doesn't mean much since Mac users, especially in the design industry, which comprises a huge part of the base, jump onto the latest version the second its released.

And for the record, 10.5 is crap, especially compared to 10.4, unstable and performance isn't as good. So I expect people will eagerly jump to 10.6 #osmarketshare
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Odin
11/06/09

@MaWeiTao:
Wow 10.4 almost sounds like OSX Vista #osmarketshare
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SysRq
11/06/09

@MaWeiTao: 10.5 was fine for me. I just wanted 10.6 because I'm an Applefag. Most Mac users share this sentiment. #osmarketshare
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FriarNurgle
11/06/09

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So there are more virus infected PCs then there are total Macs in existence?

It's like comparing a no name PMP to an iPod.

Big kudos have to be awarded to Apple for giving the impression they are actually on a level playing field with MS. #osmarketshare
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UnderLoK
11/06/09

@FriarNurgle: Don't kid yourself, there are companies all over the US running tens of thousands of XP boxes virus free. #osmarketshare
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