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    Image of MrBlahBlah MrBlahBlah
    12/18/09

    In reply to Two Phones and a New OS Later, Palm Is Still Hemorrhaging Money
    Updated Pre hardware and a jump to verizon may be the ticket out of iphone land
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    12/18/09

    In reply to Palm Looking At Other Carriers; Faster, Snappier webOS 1.3.5 Update On Its Way Soon
    If there is any company that should sell direct to consumers, it's Palm. They're in some deep, deep trouble if they don't do something and quick. Admit that the retail price of a phone should be around $300, sell them unlocked directly to consumers, and outfit them with a chip that can handle v&d on at least the GSM carriers in the US. That's my turnaround plan for Palm - feel free to take it at no charge, Jon.
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    Image of Amir Shaikh Amir Shaikh
    12/18/09

    @OMG! weatherman: But what manufacturer has seen any success in selling unlocked devices in the US? I honestly believe that Palm is still doing all the right things, my biggest criticism is this stupid relationship with Sprint but if theyre finally branching out to other carriers i promise we'll see some new positive buzz for them.

    Give me an updated pre on Att without the slight lag Web OS desperately needs to get rid of (which is why the next firmware sounds magical) and ill happily leave my iphone for it. I think in a world where iphone's ui is aging a bit and 50 million new android phones make it harder to have one standout, palm still has the chance to be a breath of fresh air if they can weather the storm
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    12/18/09

    @Amir Shaikh: Well Nokia's trying and not doing terribly well, but it's not because they're selling unlocked phones, it's because their phones suck. Well, they don't really suck, but they're not competitive with Apple or Android phones really, and they tend to skew more towards the low end of the market which probably appeals to a subsidized phone market as well.

    I fundementally believe that if given the choice most people would prefer to buy an unsubsidized phone, and that if most people did we would see a big drop in service prices. But right now the service providers are trying desperately to hang on to the power they think they have, and controlling the phones is the their last stand really. If Google goes direct to consumers, others will have to follow suit including Palm. So maybe Palm should be ahead of the race this time instead of pulling in third or fourth or dead as they have done in the past.
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    Image of jinushaun jinushaun
    12/18/09

    In reply to Two Phones and a New OS Later, Palm Is Still Hemorrhaging Money
    Damn shame. Cheapish hardware, irrelevant network.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/17/09

    In reply to Palm's In-Browser App Factory Is Open For Business
    Get ready for "I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE 1.0"!

    You see, it reaches across the room and drinks your milkshake.
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    Image of archercc archercc
    12/17/09

    In reply to Two Phones and a New OS Later, Palm Is Still Hemorrhaging Money
    The OS was cute but the hardware was craptastic. Put it in a nice phone and it might have legs.
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    Image of redman042 redman042
    12/17/09

    In reply to Two Phones and a New OS Later, Palm Is Still Hemorrhaging Money
    If the Pre was competing against phones from a couple years ago, they'd be flying high right now. But with iPhone and Android running around, plus the strong incumbent RIM, it's going to be an uphill battle for Palm no matter how great their OS is.
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    Image of LordNige LordNige
    12/18/09

    @redman042: Palm are struggling to find relevance in a highly competitive market. They were deluding themselves when they thought the Pre would topple the iPhone and the whole attack mentality they had against the iPhone has come and royally bitten them on the ass. They are competing against Blackberry who have the business market pretty much sewn up, Apple that have the "cool" factor and Android, which appears to be on every non RIM, Palm and Apple smartphone these days.
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    redman042 promoted this comment LordNige was starred LordNige was unstarred
    Image of redman042 redman042
    12/18/09

    @LordNige: It's a shame, really, because Palm has a very nice OS here, even if it's immature in some ways compared to the competition. I'd like to see it do well. But my belief is Palm will not make it.
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    Image of LordNige LordNige
    12/18/09

    @redman042: I does look like an impressive OS, its just a shame the hardware was a bit on the dodgey side. If they opened up Web Os to 3rd parties it might be successful.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/17/09

    In reply to Palm's In-Browser App Factory Is Open For Business
    Congratulations, John! You made an app. Here's your merit badge.
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    Image of Gundem Gundem
    12/17/09

    In reply to Microsoft and Palm Treading Water While Other Mobile Platforms Grow
    Only MS and their shitty WinMo is able to decrease.

    Congrats idiots.
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    Image of Deckard Deckard
    12/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft and Palm Treading Water While Other Mobile Platforms Grow
    RIM is kicking Apple's butt, almost 2x. I wouldn't say Microsoft is hardly doing any business. Typical slant for this blog.
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    Image of Abarnum Abarnum
    12/16/09

    @Deckard: RIM sells multiple devices. If you average in the sales with the unique items at hand, Apple is technically kicking RIM's butt.

    As for Microsoft, I think they have been on a steady decline for quite some time when it comes to mobile. I find it hard to believe its a "typical slant for this blog" since not only Gizmodo has posted these articles. Similar posts can be seen on Business Week, Silicon Alley Insider, Fortune 500, Forbes and even PC favored magazines such as "PC Magazine".
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    Image of Deckard Deckard
    12/16/09

    @Abarnum: See, this is what I mean.
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    Image of Abarnum Abarnum
    12/16/09

    @Deckard: That isn't a typical slant though. This is basically common sense in a business related matter. It's the same when you compare Nokia to RIM.

    If this site were the only site stating these comments, then it'd be one thing. But when it's an entire business network of over 10 major fortune 500's, its fact.
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    Image of missionary position missionary position
    12/17/09

    @Deckard: And RIM have been making cellphones how long? Give it another couple of years and I bet that graph will be a lot closer than it is now. And I wouldn't be surprised if Apple overtook RIM at some point in the near future.
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    Image of Covertghost Covertghost
    12/17/09

    @missionary position: They won't if the iPhone stays locked to AT&T, I guarantee that.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/17/09

    @Covertghost: Excellent point. Apple is not on some smooth path to domination in the phone OS market. Especially since Google is entering the scene and is pretty much willing to sell to anyone.

    Apple will not just need to get unlocked, I think they'll have to come up with a less expensive variant. Something akin to the Nano. Not just smaller internal memory, but less functionality at a cheaper price. The market they are competing in is the highest of high end smartphones. There are several lower stratifications (especially outside the states) where Apple could probably pick up some market share if it made a device that was not as powerful as the iPhone, but also not as expensive.
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    Image of Louis Wang Louis Wang
    12/17/09

    @Deckard: You obviously can't read graphs. We're observing the growth (or change) between months.
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    Deckard promoted this comment Louis Wang was starred Louis Wang was unstarred
    Image of Deckard Deckard
    12/17/09

    @Louis Wang: Obviously
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    Image of Louis Wang Louis Wang
    12/19/09

    @Deckard: Then what's the problem?
    1) Microsoft is flat, as title indicates.
    2) Palm is flat, as title indicates.
    3) All other platforms are growing, as title indicates.
    4) Apple and RIM are booming, as the article indicates.
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    Image of Monty Monty
    12/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft and Palm Treading Water While Other Mobile Platforms Grow
    The market is very young, and this information is very interesting, but given how rapidly things are changing - we will not truly have a picture of how everything is playing out for another year. A chart of a few months of 2009 is hardly statistically relevant.

    Android: Um, ignore these numbers since they do not even factor in the Droid release. Come back and talk after we see how that did.

    Microsoft: We all know they will not be a player in this market until their "pink" (or whatever they call it) product is released. Yes, they look like they are going backwards because they are just stalling until they have something to show.

    Palm: They need a new carrier before we will know how their product fares. The "P" products look interesting, but very few people are on Sprint or are willing to switch to Sprint to try them. Either find a new carrier or sell your company to Microsoft or Nokia.

    RIM: Continuing to kick-butt because Apple and Android refuse to play in the business world. The products are passable, at best - but without enterprise level quality product competition, they will continue to gobble market share. Oh, and you crazy tech geeks up north need to release a slide-out keyboard model of the Storm 2. That on-screen keyboard is ridiculously bad.

    Apple: Damn it, Steve - release a BES-like server and make a business controllable device. Help me out, man! Oh, and stop releasing patches that show you are lying about encryption and kill iPhone access to Exchange Servers. Hard to believe, but that is not making friends. One last thing - I still love you even if you refuse to make a phone I can give to my producers, buddy.

    Enough worthless rambling. I have to run for a date at the Cyclops. My wife and I are celebrating our tenth anniversary, and being the generous soul I am, I am making her come with me to a geek round-up in Seattle. Yes, I know - I am a romantic.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    12/16/09

    @Monty: First, congrats!

    Second, I agree with you for the most part, especially about Palm. The Pre is a really nice piece of equipment, but they chose an even worse carrier than Apple did, and are paying for it dearly. Not even Candice Bergen with God powers can save it there.

    RIM amazes me with its "crackberry" users that are flat-out addicted to them, but the Storm really does need that keyboard. A relative of mine has one and I tried it out. Man do I hate it.
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    Image of plusEric plusEric
    12/16/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: It would really seem it's your opinion sprint is worse than AT&T. Consumer Reports doesn't seem to agree.
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    NorwoodIsMyHero promoted this comment Edited by plusEric at 12/16/09 11:52 PM plusEric was starred plusEric was unstarred
    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    12/17/09

    @plusEric: AT&T may have worse customer service, but their network is better than Sprint's. Personally I think those two should merge to better fight Verizon, but thats just me.
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    12/16/09

    In reply to Microsoft and Palm Treading Water While Other Mobile Platforms Grow
    ...Good going there, Symbian.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    In reply to Palm's Going To Have Something at CES, But What?
    Apple, HP, Dell, Sony, Toshiba all attempted to make a succesful PDA or smartphone, and failed again and again. Palm/ Visor invented the smartphone as we know it.

    Microsoft took 10 years and 2 complete rewrites to make a viable mobile OS, while Palm was selling PDAs and phones that did what people wanted.

    Palm haters make me laugh. Plenty of people have made these same stupid pronouncements about Apple, RIM, and even Motorola.
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    12/16/09

    @Jack_Burton: Apple failed to make a successful smartphone? Don't get me wrong, I'm a Windows using Blackberry man, but I don't think you can class the iPhone a failure.
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    Jack_Burton approved this comment You ate my cake! was starred You ate my cake! was unstarred
    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    @You ate my cake!: Newton.
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    12/17/09

    @Jack_Burton: Ok yeah I'm with you on that one. I liked the Sony Clie serries though, they were pretty functional, advanced devices for their time.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/17/09

    @You ate my cake!: But, the Clie ran Palm OS.
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    Jack_Burton was starred Jack_Burton was unstarred
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    12/17/09

    @Jack_Burton: Oh really? Ha! I was only a kid when they were around, I just remember my teacher had one and I thought it was damn cool. A memory card you can plug in that gives you wifi?! Intense.
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    Image of fryhole fryhole
    12/15/09

    In reply to Palm's Going To Have Something at CES, But What?
    In my worthless opinion they really need to get their phones on more carriers, more so than new hardware. I can't imagine it's very easy to compete against the Goog and fruit with the backing of only one US carrier, and that whole choice thing in Europe.
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    OCEntertainment promoted this comment fryhole was starred fryhole was unstarred
    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/15/09

    @fryhole: I'd actually say that's the best opinion. Palm simply doesn't have the clout to manage a closed-system following like Apple does. And so far, Google's destroying them on the multi-phone, multi-carrier front. I think there's still room in this market for a third consumer-friendly platform, but dangit they need to quit stalling.

    Sidenote: every dang time I see your profile picture, I think of this.
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    Image of fryhole fryhole
    12/15/09

    @OCEntertainment: If I start thinking of that every time I come to Giz...

    On a lighter note...oh man.

    Agreed.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    @fryhole: Yep. They have a GSM version of the Pre in Europe, they should be selling it here too.

    Video camera function would be a good thing to pimp right now too. And better power management/speed-step for the processor. Alternatively, a mature IDE that can crank the apps out.
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    Image of atrus123 atrus123
    12/11/09

    In reply to Run Palm OS Garnet VM On Your Nokia N900
    Totally cool for those five folks with an n900 who miss the glory days of the Garnet OS.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    I don't need an app for that.
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