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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    12/18/09

    In reply to Palm Looking At Other Carriers; Faster, Snappier webOS 1.3.5 Update On Its Way Soon
    If there is any company that should sell direct to consumers, it's Palm. They're in some deep, deep trouble if they don't do something and quick. Admit that the retail price of a phone should be around $300, sell them unlocked directly to consumers, and outfit them with a chip that can handle v&d on at least the GSM carriers in the US. That's my turnaround plan for Palm - feel free to take it at no charge, Jon.
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    Image of Amir Shaikh Amir Shaikh
    12/18/09

    @OMG! weatherman: But what manufacturer has seen any success in selling unlocked devices in the US? I honestly believe that Palm is still doing all the right things, my biggest criticism is this stupid relationship with Sprint but if theyre finally branching out to other carriers i promise we'll see some new positive buzz for them.

    Give me an updated pre on Att without the slight lag Web OS desperately needs to get rid of (which is why the next firmware sounds magical) and ill happily leave my iphone for it. I think in a world where iphone's ui is aging a bit and 50 million new android phones make it harder to have one standout, palm still has the chance to be a breath of fresh air if they can weather the storm
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    12/18/09

    @Amir Shaikh: Well Nokia's trying and not doing terribly well, but it's not because they're selling unlocked phones, it's because their phones suck. Well, they don't really suck, but they're not competitive with Apple or Android phones really, and they tend to skew more towards the low end of the market which probably appeals to a subsidized phone market as well.

    I fundementally believe that if given the choice most people would prefer to buy an unsubsidized phone, and that if most people did we would see a big drop in service prices. But right now the service providers are trying desperately to hang on to the power they think they have, and controlling the phones is the their last stand really. If Google goes direct to consumers, others will have to follow suit including Palm. So maybe Palm should be ahead of the race this time instead of pulling in third or fourth or dead as they have done in the past.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    In reply to Palm's Going To Have Something at CES, But What?
    Apple, HP, Dell, Sony, Toshiba all attempted to make a succesful PDA or smartphone, and failed again and again. Palm/ Visor invented the smartphone as we know it.

    Microsoft took 10 years and 2 complete rewrites to make a viable mobile OS, while Palm was selling PDAs and phones that did what people wanted.

    Palm haters make me laugh. Plenty of people have made these same stupid pronouncements about Apple, RIM, and even Motorola.
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    12/16/09

    @Jack_Burton: Apple failed to make a successful smartphone? Don't get me wrong, I'm a Windows using Blackberry man, but I don't think you can class the iPhone a failure.
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    Jack_Burton approved this comment You ate my cake! was starred You ate my cake! was unstarred
    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    @You ate my cake!: Newton.
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    12/17/09

    @Jack_Burton: Ok yeah I'm with you on that one. I liked the Sony Clie serries though, they were pretty functional, advanced devices for their time.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/17/09

    @You ate my cake!: But, the Clie ran Palm OS.
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    12/17/09

    @Jack_Burton: Oh really? Ha! I was only a kid when they were around, I just remember my teacher had one and I thought it was damn cool. A memory card you can plug in that gives you wifi?! Intense.
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    Image of fryhole fryhole
    12/15/09

    In reply to Palm's Going To Have Something at CES, But What?
    In my worthless opinion they really need to get their phones on more carriers, more so than new hardware. I can't imagine it's very easy to compete against the Goog and fruit with the backing of only one US carrier, and that whole choice thing in Europe.
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    OCEntertainment promoted this comment fryhole was starred fryhole was unstarred
    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12/15/09

    @fryhole: I'd actually say that's the best opinion. Palm simply doesn't have the clout to manage a closed-system following like Apple does. And so far, Google's destroying them on the multi-phone, multi-carrier front. I think there's still room in this market for a third consumer-friendly platform, but dangit they need to quit stalling.

    Sidenote: every dang time I see your profile picture, I think of this.
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    Image of fryhole fryhole
    12/15/09

    @OCEntertainment: If I start thinking of that every time I come to Giz...

    On a lighter note...oh man.

    Agreed.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/16/09

    @fryhole: Yep. They have a GSM version of the Pre in Europe, they should be selling it here too.

    Video camera function would be a good thing to pimp right now too. And better power management/speed-step for the processor. Alternatively, a mature IDE that can crank the apps out.
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    Image of Shamoononon:  I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    I don't need an app for that.
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    Edited by Shamoononon: I shave my legs. at 11/25/09 1:20 PM Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was starred Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was unstarred
    Image of Fractal the Meek Fractal the Meek
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    You all act so shocked, even though Chen showed on day one that the Pre was built for this.
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    Image of vqro vqro
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    Hahahahahaah. That is just rich. I thought I saw hundreds of posts saying there would NEVER be Fart Apps on Pre or Android because there wouldn't be a market for them and these platforms would only attract "serious" developers.

    Now we'll get people saying that out of the 1000 apps available for the Pre, 50% are fart apps, or whatever such nonsense.

    Karma.

    For the record I could care less about brands/platforms/carriers/fart apps.
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    Nathan Obbards promoted this comment vqro was starred vqro was unstarred
    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/25/09

    @vqro: I've never seen a post saying that there would never be them, I only saw the hope that there never would and that there were too many of them in the app store. Now we must ridicule the Pre too because of the fart apps.
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    Image of appletoad appletoad
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    pFart? As in.. p**** fart?

    I see palm is allowing more scandalous apps than Apple. (unless there is a queef app for the iPhone that I don't know about)
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/25/09

    @appletoad: I introduce the road warrior.
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    Nathan Obbards was starred Nathan Obbards was unstarred
    Image of appletoad appletoad
    11/25/09

    @Nathan Obbards: dfiuha;ksjn;

    wow.
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    Image of Nathan Obbards Nathan Obbards
    11/25/09

    @appletoad: When my roommates and I saw that, we died of laughter. So wrong, so scary, yet so funny.
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    Who buys this crap?
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    Image of Fractal the Meek Fractal the Meek
    11/25/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Memers. My friend was so proud to show me the carefully selected fart app he purchased for his new iPhone last month.
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    Image of Gordonium Gordonium
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    Palm's catalog is growing at break-wind speeds!
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    Edited by Gordonium at 11/25/09 11:12 AM Gordonium was starred Gordonium was unstarred
    Image of GitEmSteveDave_ My Brute Dojo Code CDIAFIFE GitEmSteveDave_ My Brute Dojo Code CDIAFIFE
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    FartMan? No thanks. I'll just stick with FatMan, who broadcasts in glorious 720p, folks!
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    Image of sharkync sharkync
    11/25/09

    @GitEmSteveDave_ForgotNametag:

    I am sooo not watching that.
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    John Herrman promoted this comment sharkync was starred sharkync was unstarred
    Image of John Herrman John Herrman
    11/25/09

    @sharkync: Wait! It's totally not what you think it is!
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    Image of senor macho solo senor macho solo
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    do you do a daily search for this in the app catalog? or did you just get lucky today?
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    John Herrman promoted this comment senor macho solo was starred senor macho solo was unstarred
    Image of John Herrman John Herrman
    11/25/09

    @senor macho solo: Check the source link. Palm actually advertised this on Twitter.
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    Image of John Herrman John Herrman
    11/25/09

    @senor macho solo: But also: yes.
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    Image of Odin Odin
    11/25/09

    In reply to Don't Worry Palm, Everything's Going To Be OK
    I don't know what's worse, that they're charging for them or that people have probably bought them.
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    11/25/09

    @Odin: Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who pays him for fart noises?
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    Image of jpaugh jpaugh
    11/25/09

    @OCEntertainment: The people who authorized the app to be sold in the store seems like the foolish ones to me.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/25/09

    @jpaugh: But then the people that authorized it probably get a cut of the earnings of each app sold, so the bigger fool is still the person who buys the app.
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    Image of yantelope yantelope
    11/25/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: Agreed. I can explain the supply. It's the demand that baffles me.
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    Image of Fractal the Meek Fractal the Meek
    11/25/09

    @Odin: Don't think anyone's a fool. At this point it's just a running gag a few people are cashing in on, seems to me.
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    Image of Odin Odin
    11/25/09

    In reply to The Best Smartphones on Every Carrier
    I have a relatively dumb phone. But it's:

    A) A cheapass contract phone which while not having a huge amount of minutes has unlimited texting and 3G internet as well as free calls to anyone on the same provider.

    B) Has Skype and facebook integrated. Skype is a big draw for me as I can talk to most people I know on it.

    I was thinking of getting an iPhone but eh it's not that worthwhile. Don't get me wrong it's still a great phone but you can do a similar job with an iPod Touch and a 3G mifi for a lot less money which is what I'm doing instead.

    Depends how much you value a compass, GPS and a camera. Out of those I think I'll only miss the camera and only barely.

    If I do pick up a proper smartphone when my contracts up I'll probably go android. I couldn't justify an iPhone after purchasing a 3rd Gen iPod Touch.
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    Image of tnkgrl tnkgrl
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Best Smartphones on Every Carrier
    Forget the Cliq - substitute with the N900 :)

    Incidentally, that's what's in my pockets right now (Pre, Droid, 3GS, N900)...

    Ah the joys of review units!
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    Image of Colin Cassady Colin Cassady
    11/24/09

    @tnkgrl: are you the same tnkgrl from the OQOtalk forums?

    And Amazon has yet to ship my n900 :(
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    tnkgrl promoted this comment Colin Cassady was starred Colin Cassady was unstarred
    Image of cruzer555 cruzer555
    11/24/09

    @tnkgrl: n900? How stinky! The best tmobile phone is an unlocked 3gs
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    11/25/09

    @cruzer555: But the 3GS does not have 3G on T-Mobile US, while the N900 does.
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    11/25/09

    @Colin Cassady: It is me, but mostly I'm here: [tnkgrl.wordpress.com]
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    Image of cruzer555 cruzer555
    11/25/09

    @tnkgrl: Its worth it for the vastly superior hardware and software.
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    11/26/09

    @cruzer555: The N900 and iPhone 3GS have the same processor, and the iPhone wins by being thinner and featuring a capacitive screen...

    Otherwise the N900 hardware wins in every way. Better primary camera (5 MP with Zeiss lens and dual-LED flash), higher screen resolution (800x480), hardware keyboard, standard micro USB data/power port, micro-SDHC card slot (in addition to the built-in 32 GB of storage), stereo speakers, secondary front-facing camera (VGA), built-in kick stand!

    So how the iPhone 3GS hardware better than the N900 again?

    I have both devices, and own the iPhone 3GS (the N900 is a review unit), so I'm just being objective here.
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    11/26/09

    @tnkgrl: I admit the camera is better, flash in a phone however is USELESS. The screen resolution is indeed much better, I hope the next iphone will match it. Hardware keyboards SUCK they are a waste of space and slower for typing. Micro USB is worse than ipod dock connector because you can't dock it in a stereo system as easy. Micro SD is not necessary in a 32GB phone. All phone speakers suck, stereo or not. NOBODY needs a front facing camera in a god damn phone!!! Kick stands are useless wastes of space.

    Out of all the things you listed, many actually make the N900 WORSE like a crappy hardware keyboard. Only 2 things are better: the screen resolution, and the 1.8 extra megapixels.

    It is not worth using such an inferior phone with a pathetic crippled OS (maemo cant even use portrait mode) when the only advantages are more screen resolution (with an awful resistive touch screen) and a SLIGHTLY better camera.

    Summary:
    -The OS is literally the worst, even windows mobile 6 is better
    -The hardware keyboard practically doubles the size and slows down your typing
    -It has the worst type of touchscreen, a pathetic, atrocious resistive one
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    11/27/09

    @cruzer555: Have you even used and compared both devices in person? I presume not.

    Have you tried the hardware keyboard on the N900? Obviosuly not, since it's pretty decent.

    I generally avoid using the flash on any camera (except for fill), but saying it's useless is a bit much...

    It's nice to be able to copy a music or videos from the 32 GB of storage to a friend's micro-SD card for them to enjoy on their phone without using Bluetooth or needing a computer - I've done it!

    The front-facing camera is useful for video chat software (like Skype) - most people just don't know it's even possible to do this on a phone and assume a laptop is required.

    Maemo is one of the best OS's I've ever used on any phone, and I've reviewed quite a few (check my blog: [tnkgrl.wordpress.com]) .

    Maemo is pretty much a full-on version of Debian linux with a fast and intuitive touch UI sitting on top.

    There's not technical limitation why the UI mostly landscape (the phone app and the picture viewer automatically switch to portrait, BTW).

    It's just that the N900 is the successor to the N810/N800/770 Internet tablets, and as such is primarily meant to be used 2-handed in landscape.

    Better than Windows Mobile? Are you kidding me? Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Maemo is a gem.

    Have you tried surfing the web with N900? It's pretty much full-on Firefox with Flash 9 support. Name another phone that can do this.

    The resistive touchscreen is a hug mistake, I agree :)
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    11/27/09

    @tnkgrl: ANY hardware keyboard withers in comparison to a good touch version.

    Front facing camera is useful for skype and stuff, but not useful on a phone. Talking to someone while holding the camera filming your face is not very easy.

    Maemo is fast, maybe even a little slick, but it is like a shiny yet EMPTY box. By that I mean, it has very little features in comparison to phones from better manufacturers.

    Yes, it technologically can support portrait, but WHY DIDNT THE MORONS AT NOKIA ENABLE IT!?!?

    Maemo is a gem... In the roughest of the rough. Windows Mobile is far superior. Running Maemo is like running a stripped out debian, and running windows mobile is like running FULL windows on your phone, complete with file explorer and right click.

    Firefox is worse than safari, the only advantage is flash.

    By the way, before I saw the flaws, I REALLY WANTED THIS PHONE, it was only after experiencing the drawbacks that I figured I will wait a revision or two.

    In conclusion:
    In a couple years, when Maemo has been outfitted with all modern features, and they put in a capacitive touch screen, I am sure this will be a wonderful phone to have. I am looking forward to the n91o or whatever they call the next version, which I prey will have capacitive :)
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    11/27/09

    @cruzer555: Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you mentioned "even windows mobile 6 is better [than Maemo]"...

    I'm done discussing this with you. I love my iPhone 3GS and my N900 and my Droid and my Pre, all for different reasons!

    The smarphone world is clearly getting divided into 2 camps: OS X, Android, WebOS and Maemo at the top, Symbian, BlackBerry OS and Windows Mobile at the bottom.

    If you can't see that, I don't have to convince you. Cheers :)
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    11/28/09

    @tnkgrl: You are wrong about the smartphone world. The ONLY good ones are Android and iPhone. Until they get their act together (which they probably won't) they are on the bottom with windows mobile.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to The Best Smartphones on Every Carrier
    lol @ the MEGA iPhone bias, but you're entitled to your opinion. I think Android iPhone, especially on Verizon or Sprint, which will load a page faster than iPhone could dream of. There's barely a difference in browsers, and the Android OS is more capable than the iPhone's. Throw in the ability to choose your form factor and UI and Android wins.
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    Edited by jon.athan at 11/24/09 6:26 PM jon.athan was starred jon.athan was unstarred
    Image of cruzer555 cruzer555
    11/24/09

    @jon.athan: Hahahaha what are you smoking? Android is nice, don't get me wrong, maybe as a secondary phone (besides my iphone) but when it comes to hardware and user interface, the iphone really owns. Android OS is NOT any more capable than the full OSX running on the iphone, and the browser on it is a joke!

    I am sure you are some obsessive apple hater, because otherwise you could easily see how superior the iphone is:
    -Faster (amazingly smooth transitions etc.)
    -Better UI (gets you there faster and easier)
    -Better hardware (glass screen is unbeatable, androids often lack capacitive touch, headphone jack, etc...)
    -Built in ipod is SO convenient, one less thing in your pocket especially if you dont use it every day.
    -More apps (MUCH more)
    -Unbeatable customer service, they replace broken products with brand new on the spot.
    -The list is practically infinite!
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    Image of Ninety-9 Ninety-9
    11/25/09

    @cruzer555: I have the benefit of using both the iPhone 3GS and Hero (android 1.5 SenseUI).

    I find the iPhone is a very right-brained design. Simple, intuitive, a lot of UI extras, like the little screen rotation, the browser is smoother to zoom and scroll. It's not always faster than Android, though. The iPhone uses animations and GUI shortcuts to keep your mind occupied for the few seconds it takes to load the next view, for example, the animated screen rotation. For the record, I've noticed the Hero has a more responsive touch screen.

    The Hero is very left-brained. There's a bigger learning curve, more multi-tasking going on, more settings, more core features. If I were to recommend a phone for my 55 year old mother, it would not be this phone. All in all, the phone is beautifully done. Once you get the hang of it, you'll find there's more to it than the iPhone can offer. Not only is it multitasking, but the apps and tasks communicate with eachother. The albums, contact list, email, and messaging programs (not to mention the SenseUI 'Scenes') are seemlessly integrated with flikr, facebook, and Twitter.

    Just to go on, Android 2.0 + SenseUI is expected in the future for my Hero. From everything I've seen, it's snappier, better broswing, better default programs, and so on. It seems to completely 'fix' everything the iFans have been boasting over.
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    Kaila Hale-Stern promoted this comment Edited by Ninety-9 at 11/25/09 1:13 AM Ninety-9 was starred Ninety-9 was unstarred
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