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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    I'm just begging the cell phones gods that they let this phone sell horribly so that HTC has considers throwing some Android love its way. That and if AT&T would pick it up as its first Android handset. *runs to bed side, falls to knees, and prays*
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Specialized DVR For Cars Could Make Teens Better Drivers
    I like the idea of light based feedback from an automated system. At first I thought DVR meant Digital Video Recorder - which would have made me a less safe driver. When I was first learning to drive, if someone was supervising me I'd stiffen up if I made a mistake, then think about it, getting distracted from driving. On my own, I'd make a mistake once in a while, but learn from it, and keep going competently. #cars
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    Ok, I usually ignore posts bad mouthing Microsoft and polishing Apple's... apples on Gizmodo.

    But let me ask this one thing John, and I'll ask for something really hard here: if you completely forget HTC Touch HD2 has WinMo running under the UI how bad the software is compared to a similar Android phone or the iPhone?

    Because seriously, trolling and fanboyism apart, for someone reading this post alone, there is absolutely no real information that tells us why we should consider the software on the cellphone bad.

    Being able to replace all basic functions on a OS could be viewed as "trying to hide it", but it could also be seen as the OS being highly customizable.

    Lots of portable devices and computers uses highly customized Linux versions, and that's usually not because the manufacturer is trying to hide something... it's only trying to give it a different look to offer the users a fresh or more adequate UI to fit the hardware.

    Now, I'm guessing WinMo 6.5 is worse on benchmark, functions, bugs or whatever to justify that bias. Can't think of nothing else. And I'm really hoping there is a better reason for this review other than pure trolling. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    I also harbor a strong dislike for standard Windows Mobile, but if HTC covered up Winmo's interface beyond the first few panels and managed to get it to run smoothly, I'm willing to overlook all of those things, so long as it's not dependent on the stylus in any way (do not want).

    How much of an improvement would you say HTC's retelling of WinMo is over the standard version on other phones? #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of imTheKing imTheKing
    11/09/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: I think HTC needs to do what Motorola did and say "sorry no WinMo support, we're going with Android". #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @imTheKing: That's possible, but I think that HTC's take on reskinning Windows Mobile looks pretty enticing. My primary complaint with prior versions of this was that it was more superficial, but it seems that HTC is dedicated to redesigning it as much as they can. If they can do it right and have the underpinnings of WM, you get the support of all of those apps, but none of what some people really did not like about the OS in the first place.

    Frankly, I'm not all that convinced that Android is really ready to take over in all respects anyway. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    After reading this, it left me confused. Most of the article was talking about the amazing hardware. Then it finally gets to the hated part(Windows Mobile) but doesn't really state any problems with it and just says that it's bad that it has it. Then the only negative is "it's still Windows Mobile", rather than any actual specific problems with the device.

    In fact it sounds like everything went perfectly smoothly in the actual implementation but the fact that it ran Windows Mobile(which has 0 effect on the actual experience) in the background was used as a negative.

    I don't care one way or the other if you don't like WinMo(I use Android myself) but at least give the reasons why it lowers the quality of the phone by stating problems experienced, areas where the UI gets killed, etc. As is, it was made to sound like the god phone that you(the author) hates for no reason whatsoever. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of imTheKing imTheKing
    11/09/09

    @MarcusMaximus: You can just search WinMo and look at the full review. Why should they rewrite it every single time they post an article? #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @imTheKing: "With Sense HTC has made a sort of meta-OS, which uses Windows Mobile 6.5 as a behind-the-scenes stagehand, which only shows its face when it absolutely needs to."

    That's why. If it has little to no effect on the actual user experience then it means absolutely nothing. I'm not asking him to say why he dislikes winmo, but how and where those facets he does dislike show themselves in this phone. If they don't, then the fact that it has winmo doesn't matter at all and it's back to sounding like it does now: This phone is amazing in every way. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @imTheKing: What bothers me about this particular review is that there's no attempt to compare it to any other operating system.

    This is the first time Windows Mobile has been on hardware this advanced, and HTC has (from all accounts) done a bang-up job of making sure you don't see the underlying operating system, but it seems like the author is pissed that HTC isn't going to do an official Android port, and is taking it out on the device.

    I mean, isn't it a net WIN (pardon the pun) when the good things you have to say about the Sense UI include "surprisingly usable", "works surprisingly well" and "impressive", while the only concrete negative (besides vitriol about WinMo in general) about this handset in particular is that the Sense UI is "only marginally effective" at hiding WinMo.

    That's not a review of the software, that's just kinda lazy. At least compare the usability of the Sense UI on this hardware to something like Android 2.0 on the Droid. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of imTheKing imTheKing
    11/09/09

    @Hobolicious: So the end of the story is basically that HTC is trying to cover up WinMo as much as possible. That should explain it all no? #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Hobolicious Hobolicious
    11/09/09

    @imTheKing: Actually, no.

    The third paragraph that was added in the "Falling Out of Lust with the HD2" section addressed the bulk of my problems with the review as originally written.

    Now I know WHY the Sense UI doesn't particularly cut the mustard. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of MarcusMaximus MarcusMaximus
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    Lovin the time. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @MarcusMaximus: didn't even notice that. good eye. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of maxentropy maxentropy
    11/09/09

    @Nick: Fill me in, what's the significance of 1:37? #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of NyC88Rican NyC88Rican
    11/09/09

    @maxentropy: 13:37 is just gamer speak for LEET. L33t, 1337.

    And leet or "Elite" just means, really really good. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Jux Jux
    11/09/09

    @NyC88Rican: Man, having to spell it out really takes a bit of the joy out of it. #htctouchhd2review
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    Nick promoted this comment Jux was starred Jux was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @Jux: and that is why i gave up on reading. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    I've been wondering this as well, since Sense runs so good why not just replace the whole Windows experience? HTC has the manpower to bang out their own OS, or just use Android as an underpinning. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of smegz smegz
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    Putting lipstick on a pig comes to mind when talking about WinMo on sexy hardware. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    11/09/09

    @smegz: I think a more accurate statement would be putting a pig on lipstick. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @Thee Sea: i am gonna need you to draw up a diagram. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    11/09/09

    @Nick: [i35.tinypic.com] #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of KassiaHaoe KassiaHaoe
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    Blah blah Gizmodo hates Windows Mobile and never gives any HTC Phone with it a fair review blah blah nothing to see here. #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @KassiaHaoe: this comment, by essence of including the mobile OS that shall not be named, has been rated a 1 out of a lot more. poor form, sir. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of chizelord chizelord
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    I love HTC's designs. Throw some Android in there and it would be darn near perfect. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of maxentropy maxentropy
    11/09/09

    In reply to HTC Touch HD2 Review: A Tragedy
    iphone killer?

    (sorry) #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Michael Scrip Michael Scrip
    11/09/09

    @maxentropy:

    Other Windows Mobile phone killer.

    the iPhone has had an incredible head start at this point. I'd love to hear the sales pitch to someone who walks into a store to buy an iPhone and they walk out with an HD2.

    The HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware... but it's still gonna compete with that pesky iPhone... #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    11/09/09

    @Michael Scrip: No it won't. In a business environment the iPhone is pretty much ignored in favour of Blackberry and WinMo devices. Yes, you will find businessmen with an iPhone but they've probably got a Blackberry or whatever flavour of the month WinMo phone came out 6 months ago in their other pocket. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of DoogieFullHouser DoogieFullHouser
    11/09/09

    @Thee Sea: That was the case, and sure it, but I'm starting to see a surprising shift. I was at a VC/Entrepreneur dinner last week and they had all the iPhone users hold up their handsets. I couldn't believe the number of C(E,T,F,M)O's that we're carrying iPhones around. Of course they may have been carrying a Blackberries too... but still. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    11/09/09

    @DoogieFullHouser: They were probably carrying iPhones around because they actually do something a bit better than RIM and WinMo devices do:

    Make calls without sucking. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of Michael Scrip Michael Scrip
    11/09/09

    @Thee Sea:

    Well that's a different argument altogether. Business vs. Consumer.

    Companies have their own reasons for choosing either Windows Mobile for Exchange support or BES for enterprise Blackberry support.

    But, the iPhone is a consumer device... that plays music, movies, apps, games, etc... and it can *also* check corporate email.

    So, again, I still don't think the HD2 will be an iPhone killer. Do you really think there will be 30 million HD2s sold in 3 years? Doubtful. Are there over 30 million Windows Mobile platform devices in the world... in companies who already use Exchange in their corporations? Probably.

    But that's not the measure of an iPhone killer... #htctouchhd2review
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    11/09/09

    @Thee Sea: D_d yo_ m__n th_ o_her wa_ arou_d, beca_s_ m_ iP_on_ is _lwa_s cu_t_ng o_t an_ m_st pe__le I ta_k to _ay t_e sam_ t_ing. #htctouchhd2review
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    Image of crackel crackel
    11/09/09

    In reply to Verizon Wireless Launches Three More Anti-AT&T 3G Network Commercials
    This is a smart move by Verizon. Facts aside, att's lawsuit is generating publicity, and it would be foolish to not ride this wave.

    All I want is for att to invest some capital into its network, but what's the point, they'll have to come up with something faster in the near future.
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    Image of RoofCoffeeCup RoofCoffeeCup
    11/08/09

    In reply to Specialized DVR For Cars Could Make Teens Better Drivers
    I'd love to get a DVR for the cars I ride on. I want to be able to post peoples reaction to me. #cars
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Verizon Wireless Launches Three More Anti-AT&T 3G Network Commercials
    I have to admit, they're cute. What's really got Verizon execs losing sleep at night is how, AT&T being the shitty carrier that they are, they manage to grab 3 million New iphone customers in just 1 quarter. #3g
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Verizon Wireless Launches Three More Anti-AT&T 3G Network Commercials
    Good job, Verizon. Now don't let these get too extreme and annoying like Apple's Mac vs. PC commercials. #3g
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