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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    12:55 PM

    In reply to Sony Xperia X10 Landing Sometime In February
    "The X10 will make your Droid feel inadequate in February."

    Yeah, sure. If you're a fan of fluffy Cloud 9 glass shards flying through heaven's serene yet sterile landscape. In which case....um, why'd you buy the Droid?

    I suppose the Snapdragon would be attractive. Assuming they don't underclock it. Those bastards. #xperiax10
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    01:04 PM

    @OCEntertainment: Also, I have a feeling X10 owners would happily trade 20% CPU clock freq. for multi-touch and non-Sony-ified compatibility problems that I'm sure it comes with. #xperiax10
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    01:13 PM

    @valkilmerisawful: For my part, I have yet to hear one compelling argument in favor of "multitouch" as a feature. Pinch-zooming I can live without. In fact, I prefer tapping an icon. Or, in the new version, double-tapping. Which sounds way more dangerous and less unintentionally sensual then "multitouch". Besides that, I haven't heard of any convincing implementations of multitouch to make it worth any speed decrease.

    I can think of one that I've seen that would be cool....but no one else has said it yet. ;-) #xperiax10
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    01:50 PM

    @OCEntertainment: I see your point there. I suppose multitouch is just a fancy-pants, and possibly overdone way to do the same thing. I also think this phone is exceedingly badass, or I will as soon as they post a real-time video of it not running like a steaming pile. I have a BB, so I have a zero-touch and was just temporarily twitterpated by the black magic that is multi-touch-ness. #xperiax10
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    Image of OCEntertainment OCEntertainment
    01:55 PM

    @valkilmerisawful: If you're looking for this phone moving faster than my dead turtle Dave, this may be the video you wanna see: [www.engadget.com]
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    Edited by OCEntertainment at 11/16/09 1:58 PM OCEntertainment was starred OCEntertainment was unstarred
    Image of Jacubious Jacubious
    05:48 AM

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    It could be worse, you could be stuck with Canadian pricing. #wireless
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    Image of UnderLoK UnderLoK
    11/15/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    I'm on a family plan with 3 other people and long story short, it's $35'ish a month for unlimited everything.

    People really should leverage the family plans as much as possible. I lucked out awhile back and pay $10 for 2 more phones on my account. It's worked out well.
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    Edited by UnderLoK at 11/15/09 10:58 AM UnderLoK was starred UnderLoK was unstarred
    Image of Digo Digo
    11/15/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    The cost per minute/text might be cheaper but that's because here you are charged for both making and receiving them, in much of the rest of the world only the caller/texter is charged. So, you might be paying less per minute but you are spending a lot more minutes. #wireless
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    Image of uchendunwachukwu uchendunwachukwu
    11/15/09

    @Digo: The reason Americans pay both to make and receive calls (whereas the rest of the world only pay to make calls) is because, in America, wireless phone numbers are mixed in with landline numbers (eg. 212-462-5622 could just as easily be a landline or wireless number.)

    In the rest of the world, wireless numbers are allocated into their own special area code, usually 080 or some variation thereof. So the telco can say "all calls to 080 get charged more than calls to other area codes." And the caller winds up paying for wireless calls.

    In America, they can't do that. So instead of charging the caller, they charge the receiver. #wireless
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    Image of dragon:ONE dragon:ONE
    11/15/09

    @uchendunwachukwu: We have our own prefixes for wireless carriers, though.

    For examples...

    315-854-XXXX is Verizon Wireless. 315-528-XXXX is AT&T. And so on.

    So, why don't we just charge the caller? :P #wireless
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    11/15/09

    @dragon: ONE: Because what you said isn't true and hasn't been true for a long time. First, NXX exhaust led to below 1000 number block allocation. And, you can port your number, so what might originally have been a Verizon landline might now be a T-Mobile wireless number. #wireless
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    Image of JAlexoid JAlexoid
    11/15/09

    @AmphetamineCrown: But that still does not explain why you are charged for incoming messages. To my knowledge, sending a message to a landline phone is impossible, therefore the sender should be charged 100% of the service. #wireless
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    Image of AmphetamineCrown AmphetamineCrown
    07:11 AM

    @JAlexoid: @rwalford79: I don't think there is any question that carriers could implement calling party pays as a technical matter. The problem is that consumers in the US has always lived with mobile called party pays and no one seems to be asking for that to be changed. Part of the reason might have been addressed by the article, in fact, which is that Americans seem to prefer predictability. If you go calling party pays, there is a much greater variation in your telco bill depending upon whom you call.

    With large minute bucket plans, larger and larger pools of non-charged minute (in-network, mobile-to-mobile), and niche carriers offering all-you-can-eat voice, it isn't going to be too long before voice isn't really a per minute service anyway. #wireless
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    Image of The Lab The Lab
    11/14/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    This argument makes the assumption that telecoms can only have either a fixed price plans OR a variable plans. That is not the case, Sprint could offer multiple types of plans without much difficulty and let the consumer decide. The telecoms seem like they are colluding. #wireless
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    Image of Communist Pope Communist Pope
    11/14/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    Fortunately, Sprint grandfathered its "Fair and Flexible" plans (the one referenced in the write-up) if you had one before they discontinued them. Don't know if it's indefinite, but I still have mine after two handset upgrades since the discontinuation. Unfortunately, there's no way to get their "Power Vision," which includes Sprint Navigation, without signing up for one of the newer plans. Sprint Nav is $10/month extra (or $3/day) if you want to get it on their regular data plan.

    Slightly off-topic, but Sprint is now offering $150 upgrade discount annually, instead of biennially as they used to do. Or maybe they're only doing it for customers that have been around for awhile, but either way I appreciate the change. Even if I do have to commit to another two-year contract every time I upgrade. #wireless
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    Image of diesel828 diesel828
    11/14/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    America this, America that. I take it, Chris, that when you refer to America you're doing so in comparison with other countries, namely the ones in Europe and Asia. What I took away from that NYT article is completely different from what you did: yes, we pay a bit more in the U.S. but it's far less when compared to the rest of the world because we get more minutes and more text messages. And we have unlimited, all-you-can-eat data plans. Those points were explicitly mentioned in the Times. #wireless
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    Image of Mannyatic Mannyatic
    11/14/09

    @diesel828: Umm... I dunno if I agree if you got more minutes, because you get charged on the minutes of outgoing and ALSO incoming calls, so you are wasting all those many minutes on calls you are not making but receiving. In Costa Rica we pay just for outgoing and 60min costs about $8. Yes I know we have one of the world's cheapeast telecom, but I don't think about paying for calls that are paid by the person that is calling me, sounds pretty ridiculous. We got now 3G and here runs just 1 telecom company. #wireless
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    Image of faulknerswhiskey faulknerswhiskey
    11/14/09

    @diesel828: Chris isn't ignoring the NYT article's points on the relative cheap plans in the U.S. I think Chris's point is that while you get a great deal in the U.S. on the price per minute and data, most people just don't use their minutes or data to the extent that they actually see any savings.

    I had plans with Cingular/AT&T for years. Nothing fancy, but it cost me about $60 per month after taxes. I never used my minutes or text messages. All I got out of it was a crappy dumb phone for $30.

    Now, I'm in Asia. I bought my Nokia E71 for $350. I pay for my minutes and texts as I use them. I don't use data plans since I have Wi-Fi at work and most places I travel. On average, I spend less than $10 per month for everything I use.

    Now if you take the total cost of the phone and monthly fees, I will have spent $590 on my phone and connection here in Asia over the course of 2 years. In the States, I spent $1510 over the course of 2 years.

    I actually cringe when I think that when I move back to the U.S., I will be forced back into monthly plans. I really just want to be able to buy my phone independent of the plan if I could get the option of a discounted montly rate. Yet, that option really doesn't exist since pay-as-you-go users are punished with inflated per minute costs. #wireless
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    Image of dragon:ONE dragon:ONE
    11/14/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    Ugh. And prepaid still bends you over. For example... Page Plus, a Verizon MVNO.

    1200 minutes, 1200 text messages, $29/mo. Sounds reasonable. But they only give you all of 50 megabytes of data. OR pay $39/mo for unlimited voice/text... and 20 MB. WTF, prepaid companies?

    I'd die for just straight-up prepaid data - be able to plunk down, say, $25/mo for unlimited data barring voice. I can sure as hell do it on a 2-year with AT&T via a Premier discount ($26/mo before taxes), but I'm locked in with the rest of my family for an out-of-date smartphone I got in June. That is... until June of 2011. (Thanks for coming out with the TP2, AT&T, right after I bought my FUZE!) #wireless
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    Image of Seth Roberson Seth Roberson
    11/15/09

    @dragon: ONE: Wow. Pageplus has some crappy phones but that 1200 minutes deal is amazing. I'm kind of torn. I want a Pixi but at the same time I don't like cell contracts and this is waaay cheaper. Hmm... I don't really NEED a smartphone.
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    dragon:ONE promoted this comment Edited by Seth Roberson at 11/15/09 10:07 AM Seth Roberson was starred Seth Roberson was unstarred
    Image of dragon:ONE dragon:ONE
    11/15/09

    @Seth Roberson: You can bring over any CDMA phone, provided you can program it. Even DROID works. #wireless
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    Image of crackel crackel
    11/14/09

    In reply to Why U.S. Wireless Pricing Sucks
    There's no incentive to charge less. Everyone "needs" a cell phone, and there's only 4 1/2 companies than can reasonably do so. Therein lies the problem. Blaming the consumer is a classic deflection tactic, but it was on the NYT so it must be true, right? #wireless
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    Image of parkur parkur
    11/14/09

    @crackel: RIGHT . People didn't like sprint's plan because it was with SPRINT not because of some idiotic need for a consistently high bill. It seems like there is no reason a 20 something dollar plan shouldn't be available on the major carriers. #wireless
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    crackel promoted this comment parkur was starred parkur was unstarred
    Image of crackel crackel
    11/15/09

    @parkur: yes there is. Companies seek to raise prices, and resist lowering them. Until there is significant downward pressure on pricing, it will continue to rise. And often, pressure is not enough, since companies often believe they have something that differentiates them from others that's worth the premium. For example, AT&T dropping prices by 10% would cause VZW to retain their structure and claim that 10% is worth having a 3G signal everywhere. #wireless
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    Image of Monty Monty
    11/13/09

    In reply to The Year Apple and RIM Ate Everyone Else's Lunch
    Interesting stats, but I would be truly interested in seeing a smart phone to compete with BlackBerry in the corporate marketplace. That is where the "real" money is, and as long as RIM is alone with the BES and BlackBerry devices, they will continue to grow in the market place creating some acceptable but hardly overwhelming products.

    Apple, on the other hand, is going to have serious competition in the years ahead from Android.

    In any case, it is neat to see the market shifting so dramatically in such a relatively short period of time. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Image of CraigJ CraigJ
    11/13/09

    @Monty: How is the "real" money in the corporate marketplace? there are over 100 million people in the US who are potential smartphone users. The potential number of device sales to corporate America can't be more than 20% of that. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Monty promoted this comment CraigJ was starred CraigJ was unstarred
    Image of Monty Monty
    11/13/09

    @CraigJ: Well, okay - I exaggerated slightly. That said, the focus in the media and nearly every web site is the iPhone, which is still behind the BlackBerry in sales. It is not because the BlackBerry is a better device - it is because the corporate marketplace has no choice but to stick with it. I would love to see Apple release a corporate iPhone (and server for managing a fleet of iPhones), or an Android entry into the space - but it has not happened. So, as Apple is competing for the consumer marketplace where there are numerous competitors, RIM will continue to have their profit pouring in. Great for those lovely folks in Canada, but maybe not the greatest for innovation in the business world. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Image of Justin Paulson Justin Paulson
    11/13/09

    @Monty: What is holding corporate accounts away from iPhone? I could see it before exchange support and remote wipe, but what is the big draw to a blackberry over an iPhone for corporate use now? File editing? Is there decent office support on BB? #smartphonemarketshare
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    Image of Googlo Googlo
    11/13/09

    @Monty: IMO...( gulp! ..dont hit me!! ) WinMo phones could have done it ...I think they still have a small chance if they can manage to update their OS and do a little smart advertising ... If you ( not you per say) consider the fact that you can grab a phone with all the aplications needed with out having to shell out money for them...(like BB).... and just go.

    My dissatisfaction with BB led me to use a Korean made WinMo phone and it's surprisingly good (for business aplications, and a few other things).... compared to RIM.... what nightmare they were. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Monty promoted this comment Googlo was starred Googlo was unstarred
    Image of Monty Monty
    11/13/09

    @Justin Paulson: The reason the iPhone is not only not an option for corporate support but is now actively considered Abaddon in slick black is related to the following:

    1. Apple made it seem their device locally encrypted information and never told anyone that it did not.

    2. Apple lied to Exchange Servers saying it was locally encrypting the data when it was not.

    (FYI: These two lies put corporations in litigation peril since they are held to confidentiality agreements and encryption standards, such as national HIPAA regulations. In other words - major problem.)

    3. Apple released a patch that was an insignificant fix for problems that "fixed" this little white lie.

    4. That "fix" that was not communicated broke all earlier iPhones from being able to connect to properly configured Exchange 2007 servers.

    5. Tech departments from all over the world received countless trouble tickets saying their iPhones no longer worked and blamed it on the corporation, not their beloved company in Cupertino.

    6. After getting the facts, companies everywhere started denying access to email data (for obvious reasons) to any iPhone devices, many setting it as company policy.

    Oh, sure, there are other problems, too - like being able to control what functions of the iPhone are available to staff - being able to remotely destory the data (corporate necessity), being able to push out applications to each device, etc and so on.

    I could go on, but you get the idea.. The iPhone is not a corporate device. Not yet, at least, and given the track record, probably not for a long time. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Monty was starred Monty was unstarred
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    11/13/09

    @Googlo: We have a few staff in our office that love WinMo devices. I do think that WinMo had an opportunity in the business world to compete with RIM, but right now Microsoft is virtually ignored. Unfortunate. #smartphonemarketshare
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    Image of TheSonOfKrypton TheSonOfKrypton
    11/13/09

    In reply to The Year Apple and RIM Ate Everyone Else's Lunch
    iPhone says: "Nom Nom Nom NOM NOM NOM!!!" #smartphonemarketshare
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    Image of dingus dingus
    11/13/09

    In reply to Dear Palm Treo 650 With Android: You Are Inspiring
    Some guys got Linux with OPIE running on the 650 long ago, which I'm guessing paved the way for this. Nobody cared because OPIE sucks. #androidtreo650
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    Image of spannu spannu
    11/12/09

    In reply to Why Aren't More People Talking About the Palm Pixi?
    In what way is Gizmodo "all over" the Pixi? Just search the site itself:

    Palm Pixi = 7 posts
    Droid Eris = 7 posts
    Droid = 20+ posts

    Besides, the biggest audience of consumers (i.e., people who just want a cheap new phone) don't care what the Internet thinks anyway; they'll just buy whatever's on sale at Best Buy or Walmart. #data
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    Image of Jacubious Jacubious
    11/12/09

    In reply to Why Aren't More People Talking About the Palm Pixi?
    It isn't eye candy.

    If you take a look at the Droid, Hero, Pre, HD2, they are all very sexy phones. While the Eris is pretty bland, you have more screen to jazz the phone up. With the Pixi, it just looks like a Pre that hit a midlife crisis and started to get bigger in all the wrong places.

    I would definitely blame the Eris search popularity on the Droid bit though.
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    Edited by Jacubious at 11/12/09 7:04 PM Jacubious was starred Jacubious was unstarred
    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    11/12/09

    In reply to Why Aren't More People Talking About the Palm Pixi?
    ZZZzzzzzz.... what? #data
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