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    Image of masonsturtle masonsturtle
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    What's the difference between a 600Hz Plasma and a 60Hz LCD?
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    Image of NotSoSiniSter NotSoSiniSter
    12/12/09

    @masonsturtle: plasma as of now, have better picture. lets say you had both tvs side by side, then you had a cnn headline going across the screen on both of them. The plasma one would stay very crisp, the LCD would get blurred. So during a fast action sequence in a movie, the video stays crisp on the plasma but it can get blurry on the LCD. Realisticly, you cant notice it unless you compare it side by side, even then, its not that bad.
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    Image of Ryan_Long Ryan_Long
    12/12/09

    @NotSoSiniSter: This is very true. My argument FOR 60hz TVs is that motion blur is a naturally occurring thing. When things start to look too crisp, like a movie like Spider Man for instance, it begins to look fake. It can make even live action begin to look like CGI.
    I prefer blurriness and fuzz, because that's what real life looks like. Maybe it's because I have terrible vision and have to wear glasses- but it's all I know!
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    Image of Bigbadbikernerd Bigbadbikernerd
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: Or maybe you grew up trying to make out a boob on the scrambled Playboy channel like I did...
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    Image of Badongadoodle Badongadoodle
    12/12/09

    @Bigbadbikernerd: oh. that's why I cant see shit now.
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    Ryan_Long promoted this comment Badongadoodle was starred Badongadoodle was unstarred
    Image of bustedchain bustedchain
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: I thought that way at first, but I made myself enable the 120Hz on my TV for a while. I got used to it, now I like it. When I watch other peoples' TVs, I don't miss it much, but when I watch mind I don't mind the effect and it does make things crisper. At first I thought it was surreal or too crisp / fake looking. My mind started processing it differently over time and now I see it more like I am looking through a window at the scene instead of looking through what a camera recorded.

    Not sure if that makes sense to you.
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    Image of Branhower Branhower
    12/12/09

    @bustedchain: 120 Hz is where it should stop. I can't notice smooth motion anymore beyond that.
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    Image of presto117 presto117
    12/12/09

    @Ryan_Long: i'm kind of conflicted when it comes to 60hz and 120hz. for one, i like the fact that it makes the picture look less blurry and sharper, but the demos at best buy just downright disgust me. it looks way too fake. sometimes it doesn't, so i'd have to test the tv first. the thing i like about 60hz TV's is that they're cheaper lol.
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    Image of bustedchain bustedchain
    12/12/09

    @Branhower: Sure, I absolutely agree. Accurate color reproduction is far more important than going beyond 120Hz. There is a slight difference at 240Hz and even smaller diminishing returns the higher you go.

    Accurate / true black level is more important too.

    I was trying to say that 120Hz over 60Hz is hard to swallow at first because there is a lot of difference and it looks too real, but at least for me I found that I got used to it and rather like it now. I don't dislike TVs that don't have it, but it just a nice thing to have now that I am used to it.
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    Image of TheRiseOfRoy TheRiseOfRoy
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    i work at CompUSA. we have better deals than that by far.
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    Alfisted promoted this comment TheRiseOfRoy was starred TheRiseOfRoy was unstarred
    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/12/09

    @TheRiseOfRoy: Yes, but can you beat tradekay.com? How about ustradebuy.com?
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    Image of fleebailey33 fleebailey33
    12/12/09

    @TheRiseOfRoy: the fake CompUSA, let the real one RIP. (Worked there)
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    Image of paulrules paulrules
    12/12/09

    In reply to Best Buy Finally Offers Legitimate Sale Prices
    600Hz? MINE!
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    Image of Zonky Zonky
    12/12/09

    @paulrules: That is the standard refresh rate for plasma nothing special there. The prices are good for LCD, but they are like that because they are 60Hz, 120Hz is now the standard medium to shoot for to getting an LCD. Feel free to enjoy laughing at those getting 240Hz,
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    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    12/12/09

    @Zonky: Yep, 60Hz means no 24p mode, which I consider an absolute must for Blu-ray content.
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    Image of Tom Trelvik Tom Trelvik
    12/06/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    Granted, it's hard to see except on a very white screen, but the "USA HD" watermark is definitely burned into my 50" Panasonic that I bought in February, and it has been for months. (A lot of "NCIS" & "Law & Order" gets watched in my house.)
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    Image of Michai Michai
    12/05/09

    In reply to The 5 Best HDTV Deals Under $1000
    I picked up a 40" Sony Bravia S-series for $598, and I love it. There is a slight trail but hardly noticeable, you have to really try to look for it. I was surprised because this was suppose to be the chief complaint about the TV. It is offers great video and audio customization in the built in Menu system. The contrast is only 30,000:1 but after playing with settings is better then I had anticipated. This TV is bright, with the backlight cranked up you could watch this outside on a sunny day (no joke). The sound quality on this TV is without equal in its price range. I have an older model Sony amp and so I run all my audio into TV out into the Amp. (Another Sony bonus, tons of input ports). I probably could have spent an additional few hundred for a new 7.1 sound system, but like I said the quality now is already great. So Sony has its ups and downs, but if you are looking for a beautiful TV to pair with your PS3 and don't have an entire grand to slap down - the Bravia is a good bet.
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    Image of d1zzle d1zzle
    12/02/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    Er...I usually burn my plasmas in with a propane torch...am I doing it wrong?
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    Image of sleepneed sleepneed
    12/02/09

    @d1zzle: No, but I do recommend switching to propylene since then you don't have to deal with cleaning the tip that much.
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    Image of d1zzle d1zzle
    12/02/09

    @sleepneed: Noted.
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    Image of appletoad appletoad
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    With the amount of Xbox that is played at my place, we went with a 52" Sharp Aquos LCD to be safe. For the bedroom though, I wouldn't settle for anything but Plasma, so there's a 42" Philips in there. Both are 1080p, obviously.
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    Image of Bandit Bandit
    12/02/09

    @appletoad: 1080p isn't going to do much for you at 42" compared to 780. No real noticeable difference at that screen size.
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    Identity (Metric) promoted this comment Bandit was starred Bandit was unstarred
    Image of ID Ron Burgundy ID Ron Burgundy
    12/02/09

    @Bandit: I always dislike it when people say that. It depends greatly on several factors, including viewing distance. I CAN tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I work with displays that are incredibly pixel dense.
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    Image of izzledizzle28 izzledizzle28
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    calling it a non issue is ridiculous... granted i bought a budget 32" vizio that probably doesn't have all the stuff the new TV's do, i get a decent amount of retention and definitely had some burn in for months. I get retention after watching ESPN for hours on end (football games on saturdays, nascar races, etc.) and even last night i must've set my sleep wrong b/c i woke up with it still on ESPN and i had to run the image cleaner for about 15 minutes to clear it all up. I also get retention if i leave a game on pause for a little bit (talk on the phone for a bit, eat a meal, etc).

    I defintiely had burn in after playing NCAA football '09 as much as i did last year (me and 3 of my roommates all had competing dynasties, so lots of games were played haha.) I had the EA logo burned into my TV for literally 3 months after completely cutting out playing that game before it finally went away b/c the logo was always on the screen and was bright white.

    I still think plasmas have superior picture to LCD's, but for as much gaming as I do, i'm def buying an LCD next to avoid all the torture i put my TV through.

    I'm sure my $500 (at the time) vizio doesn't have all the protection of new tv's so that could be why my experience has been the way its been, but to be honest, i turn the TV off more now to avoid burn in which i'm sure helps my utilities bill haha.
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    fakejezuzdiaz promoted this comment izzledizzle28 was starred izzledizzle28 was unstarred
    Image of fakejezuzdiaz fakejezuzdiaz
    12/02/09

    @izzledizzle28: For what it's worth, I have a 58" Samsung plasma and punish it's screen with my PS3 all the time and have a girlfriend who loves to pause her shows for an hour or more while she "chats" on the phone, and I've yet to have any truly lasting image retention - I'm certain your experience has to do with the brand's quality control (which I hear has improved dramatically in the last generation of so).
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    Image of Interstella5555 Interstella5555
    12/02/09

    @fakejezuzdiaz: I usually just turn off my TV in this situation...both for the TV and energy waste.
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    Image of fakejezuzdiaz fakejezuzdiaz
    12/02/09

    @Interstella5555:

    I hear you: you're preaching to the choir, my friend... I plead, nay, I beg my female counterpart to turn off the TV when she feels the need to pause her program for so long, but there's only so much you can do. I guess we pick our battles.

    The idea of McSteamy and McDreamy burned into my beautiful screen for ever more makes me want to weep... long, slow digital tears.
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    Image of Interstella5555 Interstella5555
    12/02/09

    @fakejezuzdiaz: Oh wow, the problem was worse than I thought...
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    Image of otus otus
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    Wow, his "Trials" involved looking at one image then changing it to see a faint ghost? I can tell you seriously, that my 42" plasma upstairs has horrible burn-in and it supposedly has technology to prevent it (panasonic 8th gen). Ya it has that shifting tech, but that isn't that great anway. Doesn't help with 4:3 images and shifting a pixel or a few may not do anything if the pixels to the sides of each other are the same color.

    Yes the issue for me was mainly with 4:3 content. When I got the set, HD wasn't as prevalent and my wife refused to stretch her non-HD shows to fill the screen, or use gray bars (kept it at black). It only took about a month of about 50% watching at 4:3 to cause irreversible burn-in. HD content on the screen has much brighter outer bars now and just doesn't look right (fortunately it's the kids tv now, which is why it's upstairs).

    After this issue, we vowed to never get a plasma again, no matter what the promises of no burn-in were. My inlaws had the same issue though with them it was a projector crt hdtv (despite my many warnings).

    Burn-in is an issue and it only takes viewing one tv that has suffered from it to shy anyone away. There's a reason there is only a couple manufacturers of plasma left.
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    Image of valkilmerisawful valkilmerisawful
    12/01/09

    @otus: Mannn you need to call Panny ASAP... I have fallen asleep with the PC on and after the auto "no action" shutoff kicked in there was some ghosting for a day or two, but all of it went away. Even when I flash the scrolling white bar I can see small darker spots from who-knows-what, but barely noticeable. Nothing even close to resembling text or 4:3 bars or tv station logos / tickers. I think you had a bit of bad luck with that... I love the tv otherwise. Sorry to hear your experience, I hope that doesn't happen to mine. How long had you had it before you started noticing? A month? Jeez...
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    12/03/09

    @valkilmerisawful: I'm not too concerned about the issue. Yes, we noticed it around a month after first getting it, but we soon moved into a larger place at which time my wife told me 42" just wasn't big enough for our new living room and gave me free reign to get, in her words "the best tv possible". The plasma was then passed down to the kids playroom, and is really just for the Wii and 360. LCD's have gotten so cheap now, I may even replace it all together with a larger LCD and dump it off on craigslist or something. That'll also give me a chance to move that set up from 720p to 1080p and have something less power hungry.
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    Image of safeway safeway
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    There is definitely a plasma burn-in issue.

    After 24 hours of displaying his Windows XP desktop, my friend's Samsung plasma retained the icons and the Start menu and bar for over two weeks. The ghost images were plainly visible while watching movies and playing games.
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    Image of RADEN RADEN
    12/01/09

    @safeway: Did you read what you just wrote? After 24 hours?! Of course that's going to happen. But you said so yourself it eventually went away. That's what screen savers are for. So, to conclude (again): unless you're a moron, burn-in is not an issue.
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    Image of Anrkist Anrkist
    12/01/09

    @RADEN: Who the hell uses a screen saver? Monitors haven't needed them in years. If Plasma does, then that's old technology I can do without.
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    fakejezuzdiaz promoted this comment Anrkist was starred Anrkist was unstarred
    Image of fakejezuzdiaz fakejezuzdiaz
    12/02/09

    @Anrkist: Why wouldn't you use a screensaver? What's wrong with a screensaver - it's a simple technology with big benefits.
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    Image of LessthanZach LessthanZach
    12/02/09

    @fakejezuzdiaz: Dude, I use a screen saver on everything I have that offers one. It has huge benefits. I use a screen saver on my PS3 even though I use an LCD TV just to save on power. I would actually prefer a plasma but I didn't want anything bigger than 32 inches in my bedroom. I'll take 600 hz over 60 or 120 any day. Plus, you can't beat plasma's contrast ratios.
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    Image of badbob001 badbob001
    12/02/09

    @LessthanZach: How does a screen saver save power? Displaying a black pixel takes as much power as a white pixel, unless you're talking about a LCD that auto-dims the backlight when the image is dark. Besides, most screen savers these days are full screen color light shows. Or did you mean the monitor power save features?
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    fakejezuzdiaz promoted this comment Edited by badbob001 at 12/02/09 10:45 AM badbob001 was starred badbob001 was unstarred
    Image of fakejezuzdiaz fakejezuzdiaz
    12/02/09

    @badbob001:

    I think LessthanZach meant that they use the screen saver to help preserve screen life, while they chose LCD for its power saving tendencies (when compared to Plasma tech). That was my take on it at least.
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    Image of LessthanZach LessthanZach
    12/02/09

    @badbob001: I use a power save feature on my screen. Guess I'm a little 'fused on the names of the different features, my bad. I often play games and pause to go do something else. Having a tv that dims the back light really helps an already impressive ECO model TV. It actually leaves the static image on the screen, just makes it almost impossible to see due to how dim it becomes.
    Sorry for the confusion.
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    Image of LessthanZach LessthanZach
    12/02/09

    @fakejezuzdiaz: You're pretty much on the money. I stay up too late to be typing on public forums. Also, I chose the LCD for the fact that my wife gets motion sickness (I laughed too) when she is too close to a large screen. I wanted to keep size down to 32 inch. Plasmas belong in living rooms and man-caves.
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    Image of PurpleMonkeyDishwasher: PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    This is a great post. I'm currently in the process of looking at a new TV and the recent posts about the best HDTV's along with posts like this one really help to educate me and help me make a better purchase. I was shying away from a plasma just because of things I heard such as burn in but it's good to hear something like this.
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    Image of Hank Scorpio Hank Scorpio
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    I don't know about current generation models, but our first HDTV was a plasma (this was about 4 years ago), and after less than a year it was definitely showing signs of burn in. You could see faint impressions of menus and other things that were always displayed in the exact same spot. (This wasn't a low-end, no name TV, either.)

    We finally replaced it with an LCD, due to unrelated issues that couldn't be resolved through warranty repair. (Ended up getting a refund on it after almost a year.)
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    Image of FerroMancer FerroMancer
    12/01/09

    @Hank Scorpio: I have to agree here; this must be an improvement over old technologies. I worked in a NOC where they had server info (a set table, most of the time) up on a plasma monitor. You could see the burned-in image when the screen was OFF. I'm glad they've improved this so much.
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    Image of Hank Scorpio Hank Scorpio
    12/02/09

    @FerroMancer: Actually, I completely forgot about the old (cheap) plasmas that we used to have for running announcements where I work (it was a repeating PowerPoint presentation), and those had really, really bad burn in!
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    Image of urch urch
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    I can see faint sidebar burn-in on a pale image, say a pale sky or something, but the picture on my per-Kuro Pioneer Elite crushes any LCD I've ever seen. I forget how good it looks until I go watch another TV.
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    Image of Thorax707 Thorax707
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    "Plasma burn-in" ... that phrase has a very high pew pew factor.
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    Image of aniteshj aniteshj
    12/01/09

    In reply to The Truth About Plasma Screen Burn-In
    I as a best buy employee (I know eh!!) actually told people to shove it and told them the images we run on these plasmas have no effect and to prove it I would go to the trouble (not really) of switching to a all white channel and saying. Do you see ANY burn in?

    Of course I mentioned that to cause damage you need to be A) a moron and B) leave the same image on for weeks to get 'burn-in'.

    Further more people that argue against gaming on a plasma need to shove it. The HUD does not leave damage on the screen. At all.

    Why?

    Because all new plasmas have a orbiter function which shifts each and every single pixel around at a user determined period (atleast on my Kuro) so the pixels are never actually in a single position, always moving across the panel. Its just that the movement is too small for our eyes to notice but this alone helps prevent a retained image as well.
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