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    Image of Spaceknight Spaceknight
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    I call for a Graph Fail.

    Price is not trending. The green line should be horizontal with a sharp step on the date of the price change.
    Now, is cost trending? Maybe. Given the many pieces involved, it's possible the cost came down slightly at many steps as different aspects were reduced. It may be fair to simplify those steps as a straight line. Thus, they probably didn't briefly hit a break even as the 2nd sentence says, they probably had a while where they were making money (and I'd bet forwarding that money into the Slim redesign)
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/11/09

    @Spaceknight: what do you mean the price isn't trending... do you not understand that PS3 had an initial retail price of $600 and it now sells for $300?
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    Image of thedoraz thedoraz
    12/11/09

    @Sir Gibler: he mean it didn't steadily decrease but decreased at certain points in its life cycle so far
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    Image of Manksgloob Manksgloob
    12/11/09

    @Sir Gibler: I'm fairly certain Spaceknight means that while the cost dropped slowly over time the price did not.
    Specifically, it did not cost less than $600 during the months of 11/06 through 01/08 the way the graph implies. Same with $400 from 01/08 to 12/09.
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    Sir Gibler promoted this comment Manksgloob was starred Manksgloob was unstarred
    Image of PattyOhlund PattyOhlund
    12/11/09

    @Sir Gibler: Do you not understand that the price doesn't drop continually for 3 years? It continues on a one constant price for a while, drops, continues, and drops. Don't be retarded and tell other people they don't understand when clearly you don't.
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    Image of Grive Grive
    12/11/09

    @Sir Gibler: Answer fail.

    His point is that the PS3 did not retail for $600, then a couple days later for $599, then a couple days later for $598, etc etc etc until reaching $400, which is what the graph implies.

    The problem here is that the graph implies that the PS3 has lost money at every single point in it's history, which is not necessarily true, it depends on factors that this graph hides thanks to it's immensely idiotic design.
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/11/09

    @PattyOhlund: Thanks for saying what the three people above you said.
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/11/09

    @Manksgloob: thanks for saying what two people above you said.
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    Sir Gibler was starred Sir Gibler was unstarred
    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/11/09

    @thedoraz: thanks for saying what the person above you said.
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/11/09

    @Grive: thanks for saying what the four people above you said.
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    Image of pevans34 pevans34
    12/12/09

    @Sir Gibler: Thanks for saying that four times.
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    Sir Gibler promoted this comment pevans34 was starred pevans34 was unstarred
    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    12/12/09

    @pevans34: my point exactly.
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    Image of kagekiri kagekiri
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    I would have though the price could be easily charted in steps: each price existed for a certain period of time, not some constant linear drop every month. This graph really doesn't make use of its x-axis, and thus ends up not being very informative or accurate to the real-world.

    Not to mention that the dates are spaced evenly even though one is a 14 month gap while the other is a 23 month gap, making the lines even more misleading.

    E.g. if the 600 price was dropped straight to 400 in a single price change, that means the PS3 would have actually been profitable for a period of time pass that intersection; same with the drop from 400 to 300. They should not be treated as simple lines.
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    Image of ceilingFANBOY ceilingFANBOY
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    $30? They make that back in what, 2 or 3 games sold and one extra controller?
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    Image of dagamer34 dagamer34
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    We're forgetting the benefit that comes from being a console manufacturer: console dev kits and licensing fees. It's the sole reason why they are willing to take a loss on the console. A person will buy a console only once, but get many games.

    Plus, it's also important to point out that if a person has replace a console because a previous one broke (or RRoD before the 3-year warranty), they've lost money. Sales on consoles may look better, but more consoles don't immediately mean more games.

    Lastly, since the PS3 is the most popular and cost-efficient Blu-ray player out there, it gets quite a few sales. And with Sony being the primary pioneer of the format, it gets licensing fees from that too. And more likely than not, Microsoft is going to stick Blu-ray in it's next gen system, as I don't see any way around it (in 2012, Blu-ray will just be another "format", instead of Sony co-owned property, but Microsoft will still have to pay).

    So build price of unit - sales price != simple profit or loss. Business isn't checkers, it's chess!
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    Image of RedEyeNinja RedEyeNinja
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    am I supposed to feel better that as an early adopter I "ripped" Sony off MORE so than the nubs?! Because I don't...
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    nutbastard promoted this comment RedEyeNinja was starred RedEyeNinja was unstarred
    Image of nutbastard nutbastard
    12/11/09

    @RedEyeNinja: ironic that your support for Sony cost you and them to both lose money.

    on the other hand, they lose significantly more money by not selling a console at all.
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    Image of ceilingFANBOY ceilingFANBOY
    12/11/09

    @nutbastard: At the same time, though, he is more likely to be the type of user to buy many games. If you are someone willing to spend $500-$600 on a gaming system, you are probably more likely to spend $300/year on video games than someone who is only willing to spend $300 on the gaming system. A lot of the people that are just now purchasing the system will probably not spend half as much on video games as those who were early adopters.
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    Image of TonyWonder TonyWonder
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    Perhaps someone who follows consoles closely can tell me but I was wonder when/if another price cut will come? Will it stay at 299 until the PS4 comes out? Or can we expect a 199 price on it? What have other PS's done in the past?
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    Image of Aetius Aetius
    12/11/09

    In reply to The PlayStation 3 Inches Back Towards Not Losing Sony Money
    It's a beautiful machine. I much prefer it to my Xbox 360. But I've noticed the colours on the PS3 are a bit dull/washed out compared to the 360 version of the same game. Off topic I know but anyone have any idea why? My 360 is running at 780p but my PS3 is connected to my Bravia LCD with a HDMI running at 1080p.
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    Grive promoted this comment Aetius was starred Aetius was unstarred
    Image of nukee nukee
    12/11/09

    @Aetius: The color issue is typical across most multi-platform games and is easily fixed by adjusting the picture settings on your TV.
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    Image of Aetius Aetius
    12/11/09

    @nukee: True. But at the same setting is where the best comparison would be.
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    ceilingFANBOY promoted this comment Aetius was starred Aetius was unstarred
    Image of ceilingFANBOY ceilingFANBOY
    12/11/09

    @Aetius: Not necessarily so. It has to do with settings on the system itself, some of which are not user adjustable. It does not mean that the game was rendered more poorly on one system than another or that one system is less capable than another to handle the graphics. Like a lot of things, it comes down to personal preference, anyways. The settings that a videophile will set a TV to are a lot different from the settings that the average consumer will set a TV to, hence the reason displays in the store are almost always set on a dynamic mode despite the fact that a videophile will almost never use the dynamic mode.
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    Image of Grive Grive
    12/11/09

    @Aetius: IIRC, the 360 comes with some voodoo settings that force more color out of the games, so at first glance it can look better. The Ps3 seems like it's configured taking into account that it will play Blu-Ray movies to, so it needs to be less saturated.

    You can play with the settings on either console, or compensate with your TV.
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    Image of atrus123 atrus123
    12/10/09

    In reply to Unconfirmed: PS3 Motion Controller Named "Gem" UPDATE
    Not into that name.

    I like the alleged "Sphere" codename better.
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    Image of ottermann killed Kenny ottermann killed Kenny
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    Pretty Cure sounds like something you give Barbie when she had a night of Roofi-tini's with GI Joe.
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    EBone promoted this comment ottermann killed Kenny was starred ottermann killed Kenny was unstarred
    Image of rabbot rabbot
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    i'm happy that someone wants books for christmas.
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    Image of TheOriginalEd TheOriginalEd
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    TENTH thing on their list... not last.
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    Monty promoted this comment TheOriginalEd was starred TheOriginalEd was unstarred
    Image of Monty Monty
    12/08/09

    @TheOriginalEd: Excellent point - how long is the average Christmas list in Japan, anyway? To just toss-in "video game console" in slot number ten makes me wonder.
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    Image of Everyone likes me, even the Danish Everyone likes me, even the Danish
    12/08/09

    @Monty: Well, you know the japanese, they probably make a complete "ooooh aaaaah, woahaaaa"-show around it while they reveal the 264-whishes-list (cue oooh aaaah, wohaaaa).

    Sorry, I had to get this out of my system.
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    Image of SEDAGIVE?! SEDAGIVE?!
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    Rule of Thumb #264: NEVER try to understand the Japanese.
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    Image of KurganG KurganG
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    Number 4 gives a little insight into why Asian people, at least Japanese, always seem to be so intelligent (book smart wise). Growing up I certainly never wanted books and I didn't know anybody that did.
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    Dr. Evil Genius has learned that MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front promoted this comment Edited by KurganG at 12/08/09 8:58 AM KurganG was starred KurganG was unstarred
    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/08/09

    @KurganG: Books were all I had growing up - and I am in my mid-20s.

    Having those books allowed me to pretend to be intelligent with marginal success.
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    Image of Thee Sea Thee Sea
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    Fuck yeah Kamen Rider
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/08/09

    @Thee Sea: No love for Ramen Rider?
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    Image of En0s1 En0s1
    12/08/09

    @Dr. Evil Genius has learned that MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Currently the drop in pay plus the upcoming increase in health care deductable will turn me into the Hobo Superhero known as: Ramen Raider.
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    Image of Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow Dr. Evil Genius is eagerly anticipating the Year of the Black Rainbow
    12/08/09

    @En0s1: a.k.a Hancock, no?
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    Image of maven2k maven2k
    12/08/09

    @Thee Sea: I need to watch some of these. I've always been a huge Ultraman fan (mostly because it came out the year I was born & I love Japanese rubber monsters).
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    Image of mattius mattius
    12/08/09

    @maven2k: I heart ultraman rubber enemies; [www.dailymotion.com]
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    maven2k promoted this comment mattius was starred mattius was unstarred
    Image of maven2k maven2k
    12/09/09

    @mattius: That video is amazing! Thanks
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    12/08/09

    In reply to Whatever You Do This Christmas, Don't Buy a Japanese Child a Console
    Boo..ks?

    What is this 'books' of which you speak?
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