@SakhiTriton Really? I have no problems visiting google.com with IE6. No errors, no popups, and I can click on results. I guess your install of IE6 must be broken.
I agree!
Our company intranet does not let half the applications on it work with Firefox... boo! Damn u IE 6 and Microsoft... why can't they get with the times. It's bad enough i have to use a Microsoft powered pc, but constraining my web browser is just crazy. Yeah it will cost a lot of money to upgrade all the intranet but i say to hell with it, we spend tons of money on all sorts of other stuff why not this too.
Just adding my two cents. I am system admin (or IT dept) we are moving our entire business email to GAE and with it we will be rolling out Chrome. The handful of non IT people we have shown and installed Chrome for love it. It will by mid next year be our prefered browser over IE7 and FF 3.5 which our users have now. All in all we give our users the choice (as long as it isnt IE).
My company's IT department still forbids Chrome from being installed on any work machines because of that overinflated typo in the original EULA that got blown up in the media as "GOOGLE OWNS EVERYTHING YOU DO"
@mocax: Because a lot of people use computers on which they are not allowed to use anything else. Such as work or school computers, where whatever they are coding may still be useful.
@mocax: because that could create problems for a huge amount of users who use IE6 in a business situation. Changing browsers in a corporation is a huge task, and will likely only be done on an OS change:
Set up a PC with the new OS,
Configure that OS to the companies standards (permissions, networking, install/uninstall extra/unneeded software)
Create a ghost image of that PC.
Test the ghost image on a few PC's.
Return to step #2 and refine any issues
Once a good ghost image is found:
Re-ghost thousands of PCs.
And then the final step would be training the users of those thousands of PC to use the new OS.
Well - Google is evil. Try to use http://google.com from IE 6.
It simply does not allow to click on search result links because of tracking JavaScript.
Firefox is evil too. Try to to http://getfirefox.com website with IE 6 (i.e. then need to install on old system) - a bunch of JavaScript errors popup.
If Google and Firefox does not care about old browsers while designing their own websites - why should anybody else bother?
@SakhiTriton: Ummmmm no. The industry has decided on what it considers to be standard amongst web developers. Those web paces you mention work perfectly in Firefox, Chrome, and Opera because they follow a standard. If Microsoft decides to keep from following those standards it os their problem IE6 doesn't work. Either comply or risk your browser not working. IE used to have the power over web devs to move standards in their direction. If it didn't work with IE it used to be crap. Not so any more.
It's Microsoft and IE that is evil for not providing it's users with a client that can access accepted standards. Not everyone else for following agreed standards and leaving Microsoft behind. That is their doing. If they can't keep up then screw them. They deserve a browser that doesn't work.
@SakhiTriton: Man, let's just support Netscape while we're at it. IE5 too.
Honestly, IE6 broke so much shit that works so well in EVERYTHING ELSE. MS wanted to make their own "standard" and failed. This is just gonna convince IT departments all over to upgrade, and if they can't, at least install this plugin.
@Nekrik: Thank you. I hate any version of IE as much as anyone else. The fact is, unless Mozilla, Google, Opera, or any other browser maker create some decent Group Policy templates, corporate adoption will not happen. So all you complainers - don't complain to your IT guys, complain to Mozilla, Google, and any other browser maker other than MS.
I've used it on a limited number of clients in our company and it seems to work fine. I'm just a little nervous to go company wide with a hack from a company I've never heard of (and that also sells a computerized eye chart??)
There was a Mozilla run project to create GP templates, but it seems to have died a few years ago. Too bad.
@Ian Middleton: You just have to think outside of the box. Firefox is easily configurable in the GPO think if you learn how to use about:config properly.
Ha! I'm the head of my IT dept (although I do have a boss @ the parent company) - and we can't upgrade from IE 6! But that's because we intranet software that ONLY renders properly in IE 6 (wanna talk about pain when I buy new PC's, or the Marketing [Mac] department for that matter...)
@nukee: Not really. IE7 won't work, nor FF and I've tried using IE8 compatibility mode and it seems to do the same thing as it does in IE7 and 8. Large "One Moment Please..." across the screen that never goes away :(
@Jim Topoleski: Wake up, you can't just convert it. It would cost this company tens of millions to convert their intranet which is why it doesn't happen.
The intranet here supports over 40k employees, customers, suppliers, plants, and the like. You honestly think you can just "convert it"?
@UnderLoK: Yeah! And upgrading computers and servers is expensive! We don't need to do that! It's just a computer right?
Please, continuing to use IE6 in general is a massive security risk to any company due to it's horrible ActiveX implementation alone. Your corporate intranet will have to be replaced eventually anyway, might as well try to get the ball rolling once the HTML5 spec is implemented over the next few years.
@Jim Topoleski: It's actually monetary, not laziness. The intranet was purchased a few years ago, and was implemented in my office a little over a year ago. It's designed to interface directly with our ERP system. We spent a good deal of $$ on the system as a whole, and the developer of it hasn't added support past IE6. It's a true pain
@takingbacksunday: It's not impossible, it just doesn't make sense to throw good money at bad. As new features and systems come into the system they are written with support for IE6 rather than FOR IE6. At this rate however it should be IE6less by 2020.
This isn't about a few html pages. This is a huge company who's whole business takes place on their intranet. It's a massive undertaking.
@Cin: It's not that big of a risk when you have proxies, dpi, locked down workstations, and the like (no j, flash, etc).
That price I said isn't hardware, although I'm sure more would be needed.
This is great for the user who wants to view HTML5 with IE. But this does noting for the web developer who wants to use HTML5 in his site, but keep it viewable for IE users. The vast majority of IE users will not install this, which means vanilla IE will still be the lowest/largest common denominator. Meaning that none of that cool HTML5 will be viewable.
@newgalactic: The hopeful side of me wants to believe that IE users will eventually start migrating if they continuously see enough messages telling them that their browser is incapable of viewing the material that they want.
...and/or that Microsoft will quickly get with the program once they start sensing the masses entering states of confusion and anger. Maybe?
@puhsitch: I prefer the latter. Barring access to users because their browser isn't your browser of choice, or because you chose to use standards that the most-used product doesn't implement, is just a douchey move. Many users make a choice on what browser they use, and being told their choice sucks is just insulting.
@planetarian: Douchey if it's out of spite, but the web developers of the world will only be able to go so long ignoring that delicious bag of candy being dangled in front of them.
Anyway, while IE-only might mean that someone has to find a new computer, everything-but-IE just means an extra mouse click or two.
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You are joking right? Of course you can, Google.com is built lightly, simply and for all browsers.
However it is one of very few websites that work with IE6. face it dicktwag.
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Our company intranet does not let half the applications on it work with Firefox... boo! Damn u IE 6 and Microsoft... why can't they get with the times. It's bad enough i have to use a Microsoft powered pc, but constraining my web browser is just crazy. Yeah it will cost a lot of money to upgrade all the intranet but i say to hell with it, we spend tons of money on all sorts of other stuff why not this too.
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Set up a PC with the new OS,
Configure that OS to the companies standards (permissions, networking, install/uninstall extra/unneeded software)
Create a ghost image of that PC.
Test the ghost image on a few PC's.
Return to step #2 and refine any issues
Once a good ghost image is found:
Re-ghost thousands of PCs.
And then the final step would be training the users of those thousands of PC to use the new OS.
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It simply does not allow to click on search result links because of tracking JavaScript.
Firefox is evil too. Try to to http://getfirefox.com website with IE 6 (i.e. then need to install on old system) - a bunch of JavaScript errors popup.
If Google and Firefox does not care about old browsers while designing their own websites - why should anybody else bother?
09/22/09
implying that any website should maintain IE6 compatibility is absurd. if your IT dept doesn't let you upgrade, it sucks for you - i have no sympathy.
09/22/09
It's Microsoft and IE that is evil for not providing it's users with a client that can access accepted standards. Not everyone else for following agreed standards and leaving Microsoft behind. That is their doing. If they can't keep up then screw them. They deserve a browser that doesn't work.
09/22/09
Honestly, IE6 broke so much shit that works so well in EVERYTHING ELSE. MS wanted to make their own "standard" and failed. This is just gonna convince IT departments all over to upgrade, and if they can't, at least install this plugin.
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By the way anybody know when/if there is going to be an Acid4 test?
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The closest I have found is a hacked FF version here: [www.frontmotion.com]
I've used it on a limited number of clients in our company and it seems to work fine. I'm just a little nervous to go company wide with a hack from a company I've never heard of (and that also sells a computerized eye chart??)
There was a Mozilla run project to create GP templates, but it seems to have died a few years ago. Too bad.
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Their excuse is pure laziness, and any manager worth their salt would never take it as a excuse, not when Microsoft makes it so easy to upgrade.
09/23/09
The intranet here supports over 40k employees, customers, suppliers, plants, and the like. You honestly think you can just "convert it"?
09/23/09
Please, continuing to use IE6 in general is a massive security risk to any company due to it's horrible ActiveX implementation alone. Your corporate intranet will have to be replaced eventually anyway, might as well try to get the ball rolling once the HTML5 spec is implemented over the next few years.
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This isn't about a few html pages. This is a huge company who's whole business takes place on their intranet. It's a massive undertaking.
@Cin: It's not that big of a risk when you have proxies, dpi, locked down workstations, and the like (no j, flash, etc).
That price I said isn't hardware, although I'm sure more would be needed.
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...and/or that Microsoft will quickly get with the program once they start sensing the masses entering states of confusion and anger. Maybe?
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Anyway, while IE-only might mean that someone has to find a new computer, everything-but-IE just means an extra mouse click or two.