My sister lives over seas and uses the pay-as-you go when she's state side so she can, you know, actually use her iPhone for the time she spends in the US. When she comes home she stays any where from a week to a month at a time, so this is going to really mess her up. It's not like she's going to have a contract in the states when she's only here a cumulative 2 or 3 months out of the year.
With all the talk about how much sprint sucks, it's hard to believe anyone still sticks up for ATT. They screw their customers every which way and everyone just takes it cause they worship their iphone. what a bunch of drones.
@jonycob: until we have complete separation between cellphone manufacturers and carriers, we will not have a truly free market. No matter what carrier you are on it is always going to be controlled by the same price-fixing cartel that has controlled things since the breakup of Ma Bell.
@weatherman: You must remember that carriers and phone manufacturers are customers of each other too. The reason we have phones locked to carriers is because it IS a free market, free enough for them to make exclusivity deals with each other to increase profits.
Unless the consumers show their hatred of this arrangement enough to reverse that profit, the free market is going to continue as such. Just because it's not giving you the situation that's best for you doesn't mean it's not a free market.
@closhedbb: I use a more progressive definition of a free market. To me any market where there can be price manipulation, collusion and control by oligopoly is not free, it is controlled though not by government.
@iagiewob: But until then AT&T sees the iPhone as the carrot dangling in front of the customer. People will put up with a lot of shit because they want their iPhone/Apple product.
I would much rather have the iPhone go to Verizon, their service was a lot better...but their phones suck!
@quidsquid: It's not like Apple didn't solicit the iPhone to Verizon. Apple didn't like the way Verizon handled things because they want total control over the phone and Apple didn't want that to happen.
@Cody Cook: as a technology, GSM just doesn't go as far. CDMA is prevalent in the US over europe cuz we have so many places that are out in the boonies, and europe, not so many. They're just different. So you're really saying you hate GSM. And i guess by definition, ATT wireless.
Though i agree with those above that verizon's feature disabling sucks. If they got the iphone, maps wouldn't work, you'd need to pay $10 per month for their proprietary map software. oh and wifi would be disabled. that said, I'm rocking pretty on Sprint with a blackberry, though i had a 2g ipod touch, and got rid of it fast
@Cody Cook: Uh, sure. Guess what. I'm a 13 year Verizon customer and I just cancelled my service with them.
I may pay a little more for my service, but at least my phone won't crash due to Verizon's proprietary overlay, and more than 1/2 the features of my phone won't be disabled because either A) Verizon doesn't want you to use that service of the phone, or B) They want to charge you every nickel and dime possible for features that your phone supports from the factory...
Hell, they even disable bluetooth data tethering regardless of whether or not you have a data plan with them!
Oh, and to renew my contract with them would cost $20 more now than it does currently. Which, incidentally is less than the iPhone's contract costs me.
@paulrules: Pretty sure the only thing that applies to this, legally, is the ability to cancel your contract without penalty if they change the terms. But that doesn't really apply to a pay-as-you go service.
@Badhatharry: I have altered the deal pray I do not alter it any further.
Pay-as-you-go plans have no agreement, and thus no terms. If AT&T wants to pull your data plan, that's their right, because they have the billion-dollar towers, and you have a $600 toy.
@CaseyG: First off, this is a dick move by ATT. Second, the money given to ATT under this deal is non-transferable, and non-refundable. In the middle of a lot of people's billing cycles, ATT will cut off their service. I'm pretty sure that's illegal. ATT is obligated to provide their pay as you go customers with a data plan until their balance runs out. Then, they can choose not to renew the plan. As it stands, the plan will be cut off once the new os is installed.
The real reason behind this may not be terrorism but drug smuggling.
Marijuana is transported from Marocco through Spain and then distributed in the rest of Europe. The transport of cocaine from South America is also passing through Western Africa at the moment (then through Morocco, and through Spain)
For those actions, the transporters are using dozen of cell phones and SIM card replaced very regulary to fool the police. Making SIM card and Cellphone a personal thing is definitively not intended to bother the average citizen. Following and taping cell phone from criminal cost a lot of money every year to the police (Operators charge a lot for that)
A cell phone and phone number is general is a piece of identity, it's just logical to link it with a name.
What's the big deal? If you are not doing anything illegal, why would you be so opposed to having your name associated with a phone number (Like some sort of book of phone numbers!!)? Just like wire tapping in America, if GW wanted to listen to my girlfriend whine at me about her boss all night, then fine, what do I care. But if my girlfriend calls a terrorist to plot some shit, then they go to jail...and I would so dump her ass.
Overall, I can't really have much of an issue with this - can someone give me one legitimate reason to have an anonymous cell phone account? I'm all for individual rights, but I don't think this really encroaches upon any of them. (Plus, it's in Spain - which is arguably less "free" than the US to begin with)
@kaubuchon: I beg your pardon? what makes you think the US is more "free" than any other country? you guys lost all your freedom with the patriot act. Please, be a bit more open minded and learn something about the rest of the world.
@★☆★ Waka ★☆★: Spain has been something of an "incognito police state" since WWII, I don't disagree with your view of the patriot act, but presuming every citizen of the USA needs to be more "open minded" really just makes you look like a jackass when said citizen turns out to know more than you do on the subject.
Please be a bit less of a douche bag, and don't presume you're the only one who knows anything about the rest of the world.
06/15/09
F*&k You Very MuchPay-As-You-Go Plans Were Never Approved for iPhone"This deal is getting worse all the time."
06/15/09
Darth AT$T: pray i don't alter it any further.
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06/15/09
It would only make me love them more if their name was "ATST".
06/15/09
F*&k You Very MuchPay-As-You-Go Plans Were Never Approved for iPhoneI know, I just blew your mind
06/15/09
"Can't ...re..sist. Must ... in.stall...la..test ... soft..ware."
-Typical smartphone user
06/15/09
Unfortunately true :(
06/15/09
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Ack. That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
At least, in my interpretation, they don't discontinue the service entirely. It just... sucks more as incentive to upgrade.
06/15/09
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I don't have an iPhone, or even like iPhones, and I haven't had any problems personally with AT&T.
Though, that wouldn't be the case if this applied to me. I can imagine that it would be frustrating.
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Unless the consumers show their hatred of this arrangement enough to reverse that profit, the free market is going to continue as such. Just because it's not giving you the situation that's best for you doesn't mean it's not a free market.
06/16/09
06/15/09
F*&k You Very MuchPay-As-You-Go Plans Were Never Approved for iPhoneKeep treating your customers like shit, and let's see who will be in pain the day iPhone leaves your sorry ass.
06/15/09
I would much rather have the iPhone go to Verizon, their service was a lot better...but their phones suck!
06/15/09
06/15/09
F*&k You Very MuchPay-As-You-Go Plans Were Never Approved for iPhoneC'mon sing with me my people!
Verizon! Verizon! Verizon!
Gather the masses!
Verizon! Verizon! Verizon!
Grab the pitchforks!
Verizon! Verizon! Verizon!
Death the AT&T!
DEATTHH!
06/15/09
I've never had problems with AT&T, but I'd probably be a bit grumpy about this if it applied to me.
06/15/09
Also all the jackass moves by AT&T is really getting to me.
06/15/09
Though i agree with those above that verizon's feature disabling sucks. If they got the iphone, maps wouldn't work, you'd need to pay $10 per month for their proprietary map software. oh and wifi would be disabled. that said, I'm rocking pretty on Sprint with a blackberry, though i had a 2g ipod touch, and got rid of it fast
06/15/09
I may pay a little more for my service, but at least my phone won't crash due to Verizon's proprietary overlay, and more than 1/2 the features of my phone won't be disabled because either A) Verizon doesn't want you to use that service of the phone, or B) They want to charge you every nickel and dime possible for features that your phone supports from the factory...
Hell, they even disable bluetooth data tethering regardless of whether or not you have a data plan with them!
Oh, and to renew my contract with them would cost $20 more now than it does currently. Which, incidentally is less than the iPhone's contract costs me.
06/15/09
06/15/09
F*&k You Very MuchPay-As-You-Go Plans Were Never Approved for iPhoneOr is this magic law a case of my wishful thinking?
06/15/09
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06/15/09
Anyone who has a problem with this is an idiot.
06/15/09
06/15/09
Pay-as-you-go plans have no agreement, and thus no terms. If AT&T wants to pull your data plan, that's their right, because they have the billion-dollar towers, and you have a $600 toy.
06/15/09
03/04/09
Farewell, and adieu, cellphones of Spain
For it's we've received orders to go to prison
But we hope, one day, to see you again.
03/04/09
Marijuana is transported from Marocco through Spain and then distributed in the rest of Europe. The transport of cocaine from South America is also passing through Western Africa at the moment (then through Morocco, and through Spain)
For those actions, the transporters are using dozen of cell phones and SIM card replaced very regulary to fool the police. Making SIM card and Cellphone a personal thing is definitively not intended to bother the average citizen. Following and taping cell phone from criminal cost a lot of money every year to the police (Operators charge a lot for that)
A cell phone and phone number is general is a piece of identity, it's just logical to link it with a name.
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Wouldn't terrorists just switch to something else? Like radio transmitters.
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Overall, I can't really have much of an issue with this - can someone give me one legitimate reason to have an anonymous cell phone account? I'm all for individual rights, but I don't think this really encroaches upon any of them. (Plus, it's in Spain - which is arguably less "free" than the US to begin with)
03/04/09
Please, be a bit more open minded and learn something about the rest of the world.
03/04/09
Please be a bit less of a douche bag, and don't presume you're the only one who knows anything about the rest of the world.