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qrius
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
cs4 is the kind of edition that comes out once you've run out of new great things to add. I have CS2, and works fine for me. CS3, good too, from what I've heard. So if you can't improve it, you do dumb things for the sake of newness and marketing to make more money!
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damnelantra™
12/18/08

@qrius: i agree, though the only reason im using cs4 is because of the integration of the adjustment layers options into the workspace tabs.

on my desktop this is a pointless update. but on my tablet pc with its 1280 screen, keeping all the adjustment popups nicely tucked away is a great feature
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damnelantra™
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
button "arrange documents"

major bitch solved...
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Jesus Diaz
12/19/08

@damnelantra™: the document arranging tool sucks. You just can't beat Exposé, period.
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jdmstar
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
2500.00??? Screw that .. Pirate bay here i come. and no i dont work professionally just want to able to open my laptop and be like look hey its MASTER COLLECTION
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Kaiser-Machead
12/18/08

@jdmstar: Is a crack even reliable now? Really, if you're not doing anything of any real importance with it, just go cheap and get an older suite.
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Sora57 is rendering
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
I've been using CS4 for a couple of weeks and am similarly impressed. I also use Premiere CS4 and although it has some minor problems, it is quite awesome, too.
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RacecarBoobTat
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
Is there a way I can order just the blob and vibrance tools?

And can Premiere finally handle AVCHD files and output to Blu-Ray?
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Sora57 is rendering
12/18/08

@RacecarBoobTat: I use Premiere PRo CS4 and you can export as MPEG2-Blu Ray.
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Davy Grolton
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
Speaking of $2,500, did it come with that image of that pretty lady preloaded?

Jesus Christo.
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Baroness
12/18/08

@Davy Grolton: Ha, she is very attractive, indeed.

Blue eyed blondes who can also get deep tans are unfair to the rest of us ladies..a marvel.
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
PS doesn't respect a lot of Mac things because Adobe and Apple have been spatting for years. I still remember when Adobe dragged its heels for 9 months in developing the OSX version of the suite.

My gf at the time was aggravated because her company wouldn't upgrade (which was needed) until Adobe shipped OSX compatible versions of PS and Illustrator.
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GitEmSteveDave_OverSleptThisMorn
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
Is "Kick Ass" a technical term? ;)
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@NIFOC-GitEmSteveDave loves->★: Yes. Along the standard terms of measurement "fuckton", "shitton", "assload", and "fuckload".
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jdbaile3
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
$2,500 for software is just silly.
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Windhawk
12/18/08

@jdbaile3: Expecting a Gimp vs. Adobe Battlemodo?
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N@tedog
12/18/08

@jdbaile3: It seems like a lot because the regular old consumer can buy this too and we're used to programs in the $50 - $250 range. Licensing fees for bigger companies that would use this is on par with, for example, software for Ad firms that put together media buys like TapScan and Maximi$er. That runs in the tens of thousands of dollars to hundreds of thousand of dollars per year depending on the # of licenses needed. Don't even get me started on financial software for guys on Wallstreet. My roommate in currency trading says the software on his laptop is worth two orders of magnitude greater than the laptop itself.
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jdbaile3
12/18/08

@N@tedog: I guess it seems like a lot to me because my job is a software programmer. Software is an interesting thing to price, as the only "materials" are people's time to produce it, then packaging and discs.

Just makes me wonder about how marketing and sales for companies like Adobe determine the price of software.

Then again, I guess I make just under 60k a year right out of college, so software costs a lot to pay my salary!
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@jdbaile3: That's why businesses (at whom this is largely marketed) have accountants - to do the proper accounting to minimize the cost through proper deductions.
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@jdbaile3: Also remember that Adobe needs to offset the very real cost of piracy.
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Jesus Diaz
12/18/08

@Windhawk: I'll give you that battlemodo instantly:

- Photoshop >polished, good, production-ready

- Gimp > shit
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Loonie
12/18/08

@OMG! Ponies!:

I would love to see "the very real cost of piracy".

I'd likely be the last to condone it, what with me working in software and all, but the industry as a whole suffers from a serious lack of perspective on this issue.

How many non-professionals would spend that kind of money on this software?
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@Loonie: Not many do. Which is part of the reason for the $2,500 price tag. Adobe needs to recoup losses to piracy and from companies that do multiple installs with only one license.

Further, let's not forget the cost to businesses that legitimately purchase licenses.
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daed
12/18/08

@OMG! Ponies!: You seem to be confused about the difference between "costs" and "profits." "Piracy" of intellectual propety does remove or destroy ANY money or other real assets held by the owner of that property. Common CLAIMS of the "cost of piracy" are based on the truly incomprehensible notion that every stolen copy would've been work x amount of dollars in the owner's pocket if only "piracy" didn't exist. Surely no one here believes that every kid with a bittorrent client is withholding millions of dollars that rightfully belongs to the software/media companies out of malice. If intellectual property theft didn't exist, I seriously doubt very many of the PirateBay users would be shelling out $2500 for this.

A couple, maybe. There may be a few people out there who want to use professional-grade creative software for a non-professional purpose who actually think it's worth over two grand. No company would be so foolish as to steal the tools of their trade.

Media, maybe a bit mroe of an impact. But I can still guarantee that there is not a 1:1 correlation between incidents of media theft and potential sales. People steal software and media because they can and it's free. Not because they HAVE to have it AND have the money for it.
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@daed: However, the costs to the company of anti-piracy efforts are part of the price tag.

And don't forget that the cost is shifted to actual paying customers.
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92BuickLeSabre
12/18/08

In reply to Adobe CS4 Photoshop and Illustrator Review (Verdict: Kick Ass)
Interesting and informative.

I must admit, I trust a Jesus review of Photoshop even more than a Santa review of naughty and nice.
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Windhawk
12/18/08

@92BuickLeSabre: It's like getting Obiwan Kenobi to review lightsabers.
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@Windhawk: I wouldn't trust Ben Kenobi.

That old fool living by the Dune Sea only ever had the one saber and he was all about "look at how elegant this ancient weapon is" and "I lived in a more civilized time" and "listen to me prattle on about hokey religions".

Not only that, but maybe if he had a trusty blaster at his side, he wouldn't have gotten hisself killed by his former student.
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350z-Racer
12/18/08

@OMG! Chrismukkah!: I'm pretty sure Vader would of deflected the blaster shots with his fists and/or use the force to remove the blaster from his hands.

(Taking examples from Vader vs Solo in ESB Cloud City)
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OMG! Ponies!
12/18/08

@[x7productions]: Would it really have been so hard for him to have something more than an ancient weapon under his bathrobe?

How about a smoke bomb? It creates a distraction and clogs up Vader's air filters.

Or maybe he could have used some Jedi Mind Tricks against Vader. Like "Hey Annie - see that dork over there? That's your son. He's as whiny as you were. And the dame wearing the Cinnabons - that's your daughter. Her English accent is worse than yours. Good job procreating. Damn hippie chick doesn't wear a bra. Mind if I smoke? Awww... too soon?"

Between that and the realization that Grand Moff Tarkin would now refer to him as "Annie" - especially in front of the stormtroopers - I'm fairly certain that would send Vader into a blind rage allowing Ben to take pot shots at him with ease.
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Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
12/18/08

@OMG! Chrismukkah!: "I lived in a more civilized time" and "listen to me prattle on about hokey religions"

You're just jealous because the Jedi have a better religion than yours...

j/k
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