I run a small office and am in need of something like this, so I think that come September, I will start a serious evaluation to see which better suits my needs.
Can anyone comment on the sound quality and features?
My older 15" MBP has two big issues with headphones that drive me nuts:
- With headphones, like with most cheap laptops, I can hear R2D2-like tones in the background when the computer is actively doing something. I hate this, it's so cheap. 10 years ago I had a $20 sound card that was better than this.
- Every time I plug in my headphones, MacOS assumes I want the master volume at 50% - which means if I don't hold shift and turn down the volume, it will blow my eardrums with the next thing it plays. (If I just turn down the volume without shift, I'm treated to very loud "POP POP POP POP POP" as it steps down volume levels.)
- It's less important, but still very annoying that when powering on, even with headphones plugged in, it will play the startup chime through the speakers. I know from the glowing Apple logo that Apple likes to go "HEY EVERYONE! I'M USING A MAC!!!" but it's seriously inconvenient and obnoxious needing to mute the system before shutting it down in case I want to start it in a quiet environment with other people around.
...so does anyone know if any of this has been resolved yet?
awesome. i love all the charts and data and as i'm now pondering a 13 vs. 15 (am going to apple this weekend to do the "lift" and "carry in my backpack" tests), these specs are much loved. thanks!
I'm not sure how anyone can assert that apples prices have gone down. The top end Macbook, now a stripped down Macbook Pro is the same price it always was. Additionally the 2.66ghz Macbook Pro, where the old line up would have started has gone up by one hundred dollars. I think Apple has quite successfully pulled a fast one on you! They haven't really done anything but grey the distinction between the models.
@Alisdair Archibald: The 2.66 is actually $500 less now. I know, I bought one a couple of months ago. So I can assert that, yes, the prices have gone down.
Simple question, does the SD card sit flush inline with the body? I would hope it does so you could carry around an SD in place all the time, but seem to think I read somewhere that it sticks out some what. Can anyone confirm this?
@KaitouKID: Haha no, everyone here takes their jobs seriously, but thanks. And Hardwick is a buddy, so if he takes anything I say and repeats it then I take it as a compliment. :)
The $1699 15 inch does not include the dedicated graphic chipset and only the 9400M chip that the 13 inch laptops have. At that price Apple should really be giving you the high-end card. I'm not normally one to jump on the "Mac are overpriced" bandwagon, but they really are milking fans here.
@Jason Rouse: I have to agree. The lower price on the MBP's seems rather illusionary, with the disappearance of discrete graphics on a 15" "Pro" machine.
this was a total bummer for me. all around. I really wanted to upgrade to a new macbook pro. but with the loss of express card for my eSATA External HD, and the addition of a necessary 99$ adapter to hook up my APPLE 30 inch.. I'm kind of SOL. The iphone announcements were alright, but what does it matter if their shitty service provider (ATT) doesn't support some of the biggest new features.
Apple isn't keeping their pros in mind anymore. and it kind of sucks.
@Russ Savage: Unless you're hard up for the processor speed and bigger battery, I'd recommend the Macbook Pro in the refurbished line on Apple's site. $1,349 and you have the dual graphics and Express slot.
This, IMO, is simply a response to changing market conditions.
When the economy was going gangbusters, having products that showcased who was "da boss" made business sense, as we lived in a time where people had cash to burn and could not only afford to buy products that screamed out "elite" but wanted those products and were willing to pay through the nose for them. Now that the world is full of poors (TM Gawker), it makes sense to showcase your products as being something that has elite-level capabilities but is affordable to the proletariat. Look, now any schmo can afford an iPhone that looks just like the fancy ones Wall Street suits have (or had before their companies went under)! Hey, now I can have the same kind of MacBook the professionals use!
i in fact haven't, and i take that your mentioning it as high praise. i'm very content having a few miles between myself and anyone who DOES base their opinion of someone on their laptop of choice.
sad thing is, i know for a fact that i'd get mountains of poontang if only i had a ferarri and a bunch of 'fuck you' money. my self imposed image of poverty precludes romps with such shallow, worthless people, which is a good thing on the one hand but uh... it's a little taxing on the other one.
If you define yourself based on what you perceive as other people's perception of you (and that perception is tied to a consumer good), then you have esteem problems.
What is the value of a MacBook Pro? What is the value of a MacBook? What is the value of anything fungible? The answer is always the same: the intrinsic value is whatever the market will bear. It doesn't matter if the value is derived from a dedicated graphics card or letters etched onto the case. If people are willing to pay more to get Pro without the performance, then the value is not from the parts.
Pro has always been a brand and no one knows it more than the greatest global brand since Coca-Cola: Apple. Just like the Williamsburg hipsters with too much camera dangling around their pencil-necks, there is money to be made by catering to people to play Professional. It's true for computers and baseball jerseys and cameras and basketballs and spoilers and trucks and anything else you can think to market as "professional grade"
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For $200.
Crapgadget.
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I run a small office and am in need of something like this, so I think that come September, I will start a serious evaluation to see which better suits my needs.
06/12/09
My older 15" MBP has two big issues with headphones that drive me nuts:
- With headphones, like with most cheap laptops, I can hear R2D2-like tones in the background when the computer is actively doing something. I hate this, it's so cheap. 10 years ago I had a $20 sound card that was better than this.
- Every time I plug in my headphones, MacOS assumes I want the master volume at 50% - which means if I don't hold shift and turn down the volume, it will blow my eardrums with the next thing it plays. (If I just turn down the volume without shift, I'm treated to very loud "POP POP POP POP POP" as it steps down volume levels.)
- It's less important, but still very annoying that when powering on, even with headphones plugged in, it will play the startup chime through the speakers. I know from the glowing Apple logo that Apple likes to go "HEY EVERYONE! I'M USING A MAC!!!" but it's seriously inconvenient and obnoxious needing to mute the system before shutting it down in case I want to start it in a quiet environment with other people around.
...so does anyone know if any of this has been resolved yet?
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Too bad that douche Chris Hardwick took what you said about AT&T and just said it himself that punk. You need to borrow Jesus' iron bar.
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06/09/09
Apple isn't keeping their pros in mind anymore. and it kind of sucks.
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Right now there are 5 separate models of the Macbook Pro, but only ONE Macbook - the white one.
That seems very very odd to me. Very unbalanced.
Maybe they are making a netbook-type thing to appeal to the downmarket in a recession, and they plan on smacking this with a Macbook labal.
This is probably them just setting themselves up for future product releases. Remember that 10 in tablet rumor?
06/09/09
When the economy was going gangbusters, having products that showcased who was "da boss" made business sense, as we lived in a time where people had cash to burn and could not only afford to buy products that screamed out "elite" but wanted those products and were willing to pay through the nose for them. Now that the world is full of poors (TM Gawker), it makes sense to showcase your products as being something that has elite-level capabilities but is affordable to the proletariat. Look, now any schmo can afford an iPhone that looks just like the fancy ones Wall Street suits have (or had before their companies went under)! Hey, now I can have the same kind of MacBook the professionals use!
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And beyond that, nobody thinks anyone is cool because of the laptop they use, period.
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i in fact haven't, and i take that your mentioning it as high praise. i'm very content having a few miles between myself and anyone who DOES base their opinion of someone on their laptop of choice.
sad thing is, i know for a fact that i'd get mountains of poontang if only i had a ferarri and a bunch of 'fuck you' money. my self imposed image of poverty precludes romps with such shallow, worthless people, which is a good thing on the one hand but uh... it's a little taxing on the other one.
06/09/09
What is the value of a MacBook Pro? What is the value of a MacBook? What is the value of anything fungible? The answer is always the same: the intrinsic value is whatever the market will bear. It doesn't matter if the value is derived from a dedicated graphics card or letters etched onto the case. If people are willing to pay more to get Pro without the performance, then the value is not from the parts.
Pro has always been a brand and no one knows it more than the greatest global brand since Coca-Cola: Apple. Just like the Williamsburg hipsters with too much camera dangling around their pencil-necks, there is money to be made by catering to people to play Professional. It's true for computers and baseball jerseys and cameras and basketballs and spoilers and trucks and anything else you can think to market as "professional grade"